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Code S RO16 Preview - herO, NightMare, ByuN, RagnaroK

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Code S RO16 Preview - herO, NightMare, ByuN, RagnaroK

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July 5th, 2023 23:04 GMT

2023 GSL Code S Season 1

RO16 Group B Preview: herO, NightMare, ByuN, RagnaroK

Start time: Thursday, Jul 06 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

by Wax

GSL's move to a 16-player format has made even getting out of the first round a perilous affair, and it was nowhere more obvious than in last season's Group B. There, #1 Protoss player herO was harshly eliminated in a stacked group, snuffing out all realistic championship hopes for his faction.

herO must now be feeling an eerie sense of deja vu, as he's once again been placed into Group B of the RO16. While his opponents are different, they're all dangerous in their own way. Are we headed for another Protoss calamity, or will Aiur's herO live up to his name?

More info: GSL Code S Season 2 on Liquipedia


herO

herO has had an awful start to the 2023/2024 season, losing in the RO16 of Code S Season 1(losses to Solar and Cure) and not even making it out of the open bracket at ESL Masters Summer (losses to Elazer and Creator). These poor offline tournament results stand in stark contrast to his excellent play in online events, which has pushed him as high as #5 in the Aligulac.com rankings. Long-time TL.net readers should know where I'm going here—herO might be the new online-Zest.

"Might" is doing a lot of work there, because I'm heavily inclined to give herO the benefit of the doubt regarding his recent offline showings. It was only 5 months ago that he placed top four at IEM Katowice 2023, 7 months ago that he won DreamHack: Atlanta, and about a year ago that he won Code S Season 2. Prior to the 2023/24 season, I'd have said he's a great online player who somehow plays even better offline, and I don't think that's changed overnight.

While I have some minor concerns about players becoming more used to herO's hyper-aggressive style—especially in PvZ—I'm not going to overdiagnose the situation here. Sometimes good players just lose games to other good players, and I think that's what happened to herO in GSL and ESL. This group certainly won't be easy for him to get out of, but I still see him as the strongest player and only top-tier championship contender.

NightMare

One of the lowkey surprises of the contracted GSL is seeing NightMare make the RO16 cut in back-to-back seasons. While it's probably not the success story fans envisioned when they crowdfunded KSL and demand more opportunities for Korean amateurs (remind me to rant against this strawman someday), it's at least a minor victory for Korean up-and-comers that NightMare has grown from afterthought into a Code S regular. Both qualifiers saw NightMare beat the formidable Solar to earn his Code S stripes, showing he has a bit of clutchness (or Protoss nastiness) to him.

Unfortunately, my assessment of NightMare is similar to last season: He's good enough to get here, but he doesn't have enough to go further. It's not like he's a Patience or a MyungsiK who lives and dies by cheese—he's developed some real macro chops in the last year or so. However, when you're the 4th best player in a group where everyone else could realistically reach the RO4, being merely a 'solid' player won't cut it. Perhaps NightMare can steal a BO3 to hasten someone else's elimination, but I can't see him getting the two series wins needed to advance.

ByuN

This ByuN preview is going to sound the same as many other ByuN previews in the past, but that's because the same things keep happening to him in tournaments. ESL Masters Summer was the epitome of "ByuN did a ByuN" as he forfeited an early round match against Astrea when his wrist issues flared up, and he later needed another wrist-related pause during his BO5 playoff loss to Reynor (it's arguable to what extent his wrist issues were responsible for this loss, but it must have had SOME effect).

The Astrea loss is the one I find more disheartening. Over the course of a year or so, ByuN showed he could keep his nerves in check (as far as we know, his wrist issues are psychological) during the lower rounds of big events, and he made it past the midway point in most of the offline tournaments he played in during 2022. It's hard to say exactly how deep in the tournament ByuN vs Astrea was given the convoluted ESL Masters format, but I wouldn't say it was the highest pressure match since tournament elimination wasn't on the line. To me, that makes it a sign of regression for ByuN, which is especially concerning now that GSL is back in the studio for the RO16.

To continue the familiar-sounding spiel, ByuN continues to be an excellent player online, and has a good chance of advancing if he can play at 100%. However, concerns with his non-gameplay issues are a high point at the moment, and I just can't pick him to advance this time around.

RagnaroK

When asked about the most surprising results from the qualifiers last season, the GSL players largely gave two answers. First, they were shocked that INnoVation somehow made his way in. Second, they were even more shocked that RagnaroK was left out.

Indeed, RagnaroK was riding high after IEM Katowice 2023, where he reached the top four after beating Serral 3-2 in the best series of his career. And, by all accounts from other progamers and RagnaroK himself, he continued to practice hard afterward and maintained a high level of play. Yet, somehow, the 2023/24 season has been nothing short of a disaster for RagnaroK, as he failed to qualify for Code S Season 1 and Gamers8. ESL Masters Summer was a chance at redemption, but even there he finished low in the RO24 after losing to Lambo in the knockout bracket.

Just going by results, I should be VERY down on RagnaroK. However, like herO, I'm going to extend him some benefit of the doubt (although not quite as much). It's very relevant to me that his peers continue to rate him highly, even in the midst of his dreadful tournament results. It wasn't that long ago that he reached a Code S finals and the top four of IEM. Also, while his online play isn't in the god-tier alongside herO, Dark, Cure, et al., he's been good enough for me to think his major tournament results have a fluke. If normal ByuN was playing in this group, I'd have picked RagnaroK to finish third, but given the circumstances, I think he'll make his way to the top eight.

Predictions

herO > NightMare
ByuN > RagnaroK
herO > ByuN
RagnaroK > NightMare
RagnaroK > ByuN

herO and RagnaroK to advance.



Credits and acknowledgements

Writer: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Records and Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13021 Posts
July 06 2023 08:22 GMT
#2
Despite the probable wrist issues ByuN will be having, I would still put him as #2 in this group behind herO. His wrists made him lose series he was winning versus the likes of Cure and Dark, or even Reynor, but I think he can handle RagnaroK just fine no matter what. He beats him kinda regularly, and bo3 series should be easier to handle for ByuN given his issues
WriterMaru
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
July 06 2023 10:00 GMT
#3
Wow, unexpected performance from herO.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
July 06 2023 10:38 GMT
#4
Byun with the infamous Orbital on 4th base.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
July 06 2023 10:38 GMT
#5
Damn, why did Byun hated banes so much?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 06 2023 10:44 GMT
#6
On July 06 2023 17:22 Poopi wrote:
Despite the probable wrist issues ByuN will be having, I would still put him as #2 in this group behind herO NightMare.


swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2466 Posts
July 06 2023 11:30 GMT
#7
Just like previous season, Nightmare was pretty good in PvP in term of micro management and decisiveness. But, when comes to PvT or PvZ, look likes his confidence level suddenly crumbles.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3562 Posts
July 06 2023 12:37 GMT
#8
While advancing wouldbe cool for nightmare i just dont see him winning a non pvp vs any ro8 caliber player.
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
July 06 2023 13:10 GMT
#9
What the hell am I watching
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
July 06 2023 13:14 GMT
#10
The last herO vs nightmare game was.... something.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
July 06 2023 13:22 GMT
#11
I know I would lose my lifespan watching that final game if I was a herO fan.
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
July 06 2023 17:07 GMT
#12
That was amazing Starcraft today. GSL is still the most fun tournament to watch.
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
July 06 2023 20:11 GMT
#13
herO vs Nightmare

+ Show Spoiler +
herO gotta clean it up a bit. Was pretty unreal to see him lose that many units to disruptors [mostly] unnecessarily. Nice opportunism by Nightmare but I was genuinely worried herO was gonna lose the series.

Hopefully his PvT is looking better.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-07 11:29:23
July 07 2023 00:16 GMT
#14
On July 07 2023 05:11 RogerChillingworth wrote:
herO vs Nightmare

+ Show Spoiler +
herO gotta clean it up a bit. Was pretty unreal to see him lose that many units to disruptors [mostly] unnecessarily. Nice opportunism by Nightmare but I was genuinely worried herO was gonna lose the series.

Hopefully his PvT is looking better.


+ Show Spoiler +
Simultaneous Disruptor fights at multiple locations are near impossible to handle well, but that time where he caught up to four isolated Disruptors with his Stalkers and decided not to look at that fight almost drove me insane.


EDIT: Added spoilers. I'm sorry, I confused myself into thinking this was the tournament live thread.
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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3516 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-08 01:00:18
July 08 2023 01:00 GMT
#15
+ Show Spoiler +

"Man, there are not Protoss champions. The race must be underpowered."
<watches Her0 vs NightMare g3>
"....Oh."
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16095 Posts
July 08 2023 10:17 GMT
#16
On July 08 2023 10:00 Gescom wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

"Man, there are not Protoss champions. The race must be underpowered."
<watches Her0 vs NightMare g3>
"....Oh."

Must I remind you of the Serral clip where he tried to snipe mines with mutas, failed every time and ended up losing every single one of his mutas? Does that mean Serral sucks? mistakes happen to everyone
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
July 08 2023 11:14 GMT
#17
On July 08 2023 10:00 Gescom wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

"Man, there are not Protoss champions. The race must be underpowered."
<watches Her0 vs NightMare g3>
"....Oh."


I've seen worse mistakes in Maru vs. Rogue, and those are both GOAT contenders.
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