• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:26
CEST 17:26
KST 00:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down8ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier3Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League52Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164
StarCraft 2
General
Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins Server Blocker
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP Do we even care about balance? SCHNAIL now supports Remastered BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage [ASL22] Grand Finals
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7374 users

Code S RO16 Preview - herO, NightMare, ByuN, RagnaroK

Forum Index > SC2 General
16 CommentsPost a Reply

Code S RO16 Preview - herO, NightMare, ByuN, RagnaroK

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
July 5th, 2023 23:04 GMT

2023 GSL Code S Season 1

RO16 Group B Preview: herO, NightMare, ByuN, RagnaroK

Start time: Thursday, Jul 06 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)

by Wax

GSL's move to a 16-player format has made even getting out of the first round a perilous affair, and it was nowhere more obvious than in last season's Group B. There, #1 Protoss player herO was harshly eliminated in a stacked group, snuffing out all realistic championship hopes for his faction.

herO must now be feeling an eerie sense of deja vu, as he's once again been placed into Group B of the RO16. While his opponents are different, they're all dangerous in their own way. Are we headed for another Protoss calamity, or will Aiur's herO live up to his name?

More info: GSL Code S Season 2 on Liquipedia


herO

herO has had an awful start to the 2023/2024 season, losing in the RO16 of Code S Season 1(losses to Solar and Cure) and not even making it out of the open bracket at ESL Masters Summer (losses to Elazer and Creator). These poor offline tournament results stand in stark contrast to his excellent play in online events, which has pushed him as high as #5 in the Aligulac.com rankings. Long-time TL.net readers should know where I'm going here—herO might be the new online-Zest.

"Might" is doing a lot of work there, because I'm heavily inclined to give herO the benefit of the doubt regarding his recent offline showings. It was only 5 months ago that he placed top four at IEM Katowice 2023, 7 months ago that he won DreamHack: Atlanta, and about a year ago that he won Code S Season 2. Prior to the 2023/24 season, I'd have said he's a great online player who somehow plays even better offline, and I don't think that's changed overnight.

While I have some minor concerns about players becoming more used to herO's hyper-aggressive style—especially in PvZ—I'm not going to overdiagnose the situation here. Sometimes good players just lose games to other good players, and I think that's what happened to herO in GSL and ESL. This group certainly won't be easy for him to get out of, but I still see him as the strongest player and only top-tier championship contender.

NightMare

One of the lowkey surprises of the contracted GSL is seeing NightMare make the RO16 cut in back-to-back seasons. While it's probably not the success story fans envisioned when they crowdfunded KSL and demand more opportunities for Korean amateurs (remind me to rant against this strawman someday), it's at least a minor victory for Korean up-and-comers that NightMare has grown from afterthought into a Code S regular. Both qualifiers saw NightMare beat the formidable Solar to earn his Code S stripes, showing he has a bit of clutchness (or Protoss nastiness) to him.

Unfortunately, my assessment of NightMare is similar to last season: He's good enough to get here, but he doesn't have enough to go further. It's not like he's a Patience or a MyungsiK who lives and dies by cheese—he's developed some real macro chops in the last year or so. However, when you're the 4th best player in a group where everyone else could realistically reach the RO4, being merely a 'solid' player won't cut it. Perhaps NightMare can steal a BO3 to hasten someone else's elimination, but I can't see him getting the two series wins needed to advance.

ByuN

This ByuN preview is going to sound the same as many other ByuN previews in the past, but that's because the same things keep happening to him in tournaments. ESL Masters Summer was the epitome of "ByuN did a ByuN" as he forfeited an early round match against Astrea when his wrist issues flared up, and he later needed another wrist-related pause during his BO5 playoff loss to Reynor (it's arguable to what extent his wrist issues were responsible for this loss, but it must have had SOME effect).

The Astrea loss is the one I find more disheartening. Over the course of a year or so, ByuN showed he could keep his nerves in check (as far as we know, his wrist issues are psychological) during the lower rounds of big events, and he made it past the midway point in most of the offline tournaments he played in during 2022. It's hard to say exactly how deep in the tournament ByuN vs Astrea was given the convoluted ESL Masters format, but I wouldn't say it was the highest pressure match since tournament elimination wasn't on the line. To me, that makes it a sign of regression for ByuN, which is especially concerning now that GSL is back in the studio for the RO16.

To continue the familiar-sounding spiel, ByuN continues to be an excellent player online, and has a good chance of advancing if he can play at 100%. However, concerns with his non-gameplay issues are a high point at the moment, and I just can't pick him to advance this time around.

RagnaroK

When asked about the most surprising results from the qualifiers last season, the GSL players largely gave two answers. First, they were shocked that INnoVation somehow made his way in. Second, they were even more shocked that RagnaroK was left out.

Indeed, RagnaroK was riding high after IEM Katowice 2023, where he reached the top four after beating Serral 3-2 in the best series of his career. And, by all accounts from other progamers and RagnaroK himself, he continued to practice hard afterward and maintained a high level of play. Yet, somehow, the 2023/24 season has been nothing short of a disaster for RagnaroK, as he failed to qualify for Code S Season 1 and Gamers8. ESL Masters Summer was a chance at redemption, but even there he finished low in the RO24 after losing to Lambo in the knockout bracket.

Just going by results, I should be VERY down on RagnaroK. However, like herO, I'm going to extend him some benefit of the doubt (although not quite as much). It's very relevant to me that his peers continue to rate him highly, even in the midst of his dreadful tournament results. It wasn't that long ago that he reached a Code S finals and the top four of IEM. Also, while his online play isn't in the god-tier alongside herO, Dark, Cure, et al., he's been good enough for me to think his major tournament results have a fluke. If normal ByuN was playing in this group, I'd have picked RagnaroK to finish third, but given the circumstances, I think he'll make his way to the top eight.

Predictions

herO > NightMare
ByuN > RagnaroK
herO > ByuN
RagnaroK > NightMare
RagnaroK > ByuN

herO and RagnaroK to advance.



Credits and acknowledgements

Writer: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Records and Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
July 06 2023 08:22 GMT
#2
Despite the probable wrist issues ByuN will be having, I would still put him as #2 in this group behind herO. His wrists made him lose series he was winning versus the likes of Cure and Dark, or even Reynor, but I think he can handle RagnaroK just fine no matter what. He beats him kinda regularly, and bo3 series should be easier to handle for ByuN given his issues
WriterMaru
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2467 Posts
July 06 2023 10:00 GMT
#3
Wow, unexpected performance from herO.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
July 06 2023 10:38 GMT
#4
Byun with the infamous Orbital on 4th base.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2467 Posts
July 06 2023 10:38 GMT
#5
Damn, why did Byun hated banes so much?
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
July 06 2023 10:44 GMT
#6
On July 06 2023 17:22 Poopi wrote:
Despite the probable wrist issues ByuN will be having, I would still put him as #2 in this group behind herO NightMare.


swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2467 Posts
July 06 2023 11:30 GMT
#7
Just like previous season, Nightmare was pretty good in PvP in term of micro management and decisiveness. But, when comes to PvT or PvZ, look likes his confidence level suddenly crumbles.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3562 Posts
July 06 2023 12:37 GMT
#8
While advancing wouldbe cool for nightmare i just dont see him winning a non pvp vs any ro8 caliber player.
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
July 06 2023 13:10 GMT
#9
What the hell am I watching
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
July 06 2023 13:14 GMT
#10
The last herO vs nightmare game was.... something.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
July 06 2023 13:22 GMT
#11
I know I would lose my lifespan watching that final game if I was a herO fan.
Hildegard
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Germany348 Posts
July 06 2023 17:07 GMT
#12
That was amazing Starcraft today. GSL is still the most fun tournament to watch.
tl.net humour: https://www.kurtvonmeier.com/blog-1/2018/1/14/on-audio-alan-watts-and-g-spencer-brown-discuss-laws-of-form
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
July 06 2023 20:11 GMT
#13
herO vs Nightmare

+ Show Spoiler +
herO gotta clean it up a bit. Was pretty unreal to see him lose that many units to disruptors [mostly] unnecessarily. Nice opportunism by Nightmare but I was genuinely worried herO was gonna lose the series.

Hopefully his PvT is looking better.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-07 11:29:23
July 07 2023 00:16 GMT
#14
On July 07 2023 05:11 RogerChillingworth wrote:
herO vs Nightmare

+ Show Spoiler +
herO gotta clean it up a bit. Was pretty unreal to see him lose that many units to disruptors [mostly] unnecessarily. Nice opportunism by Nightmare but I was genuinely worried herO was gonna lose the series.

Hopefully his PvT is looking better.


+ Show Spoiler +
Simultaneous Disruptor fights at multiple locations are near impossible to handle well, but that time where he caught up to four isolated Disruptors with his Stalkers and decided not to look at that fight almost drove me insane.


EDIT: Added spoilers. I'm sorry, I confused myself into thinking this was the tournament live thread.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3517 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-07-08 01:00:18
July 08 2023 01:00 GMT
#15
+ Show Spoiler +

"Man, there are not Protoss champions. The race must be underpowered."
<watches Her0 vs NightMare g3>
"....Oh."
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
July 08 2023 10:17 GMT
#16
On July 08 2023 10:00 Gescom wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

"Man, there are not Protoss champions. The race must be underpowered."
<watches Her0 vs NightMare g3>
"....Oh."

Must I remind you of the Serral clip where he tried to snipe mines with mutas, failed every time and ended up losing every single one of his mutas? Does that mean Serral sucks? mistakes happen to everyone
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
July 08 2023 11:14 GMT
#17
On July 08 2023 10:00 Gescom wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

"Man, there are not Protoss champions. The race must be underpowered."
<watches Her0 vs NightMare g3>
"....Oh."


I've seen worse mistakes in Maru vs. Rogue, and those are both GOAT contenders.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 19h 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 1558
RotterdaM 591
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37789
EffOrt 1231
Soma 846
Horang2 842
Larva 526
Light 407
Stork 352
Leta 326
Soulkey 300
actioN 267
[ Show more ]
Snow 256
BeSt 214
Rush 190
Mind 83
hero 65
Free 55
sorry 52
Shine 42
Hm[arnc] 39
Hyun 39
Terrorterran 35
ToSsGirL 25
Sexy 23
Bishop 21
Dewaltoss 20
Sacsri 20
Noble 20
Aegong 18
Rock 12
JYJ 12
HiyA 12
Dota 2
qojqva3360
syndereN695
Counter-Strike
byalli653
x6flipin263
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes410
Khaldor92
Other Games
Gorgc3559
singsing2122
hiko1076
B2W.Neo990
Beastyqt477
ceh9314
DeMusliM286
Liquid`VortiX175
Hui .173
KnowMe82
QueenE45
Chillindude33
Trikslyr33
ToD24
fpsfer 1
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 756
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2200
League of Legends
• Jankos2227
• TFBlade797
Other Games
• WagamamaTV235
• tFFMrPink 11
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
19h 34m
Reynor vs Zoun
Neeb vs Rogue
OSC
1d 7h
FEL
2 days
Patches Events
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
FEL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.