Yeah I'm just not exactly sure they will be able to fill out the 16 slots by s3. Not with active Korean pros at least. Probably will get some masters players in there

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10372 Posts

February 25 2023 05:04 GMT

#22

Damn, guess it's finally time to go to korea and enter those free qualification tournies where already there was barely anyone even trying to compete!! (Always was intrigued by that btw, if I were korean and GM level, why not try if it's free? It sounds fun to make it through and maybe get onto the stage once, I guess that's what players like Spear are)

StasisField

United States1086 Posts

February 25 2023 05:50 GMT

#23

It's hard to answer when "legitimate" can mean many things. If "legitimate" is meant to mean "I will seriously consider the results of this tournament as a measure of who is the best at the moment and is also worth thinking about when considering who the GOAT is", then probably not, but I haven't valued the GSL that much the past year or 2 anyway, same thing with the ESL Circuit tournaments. I think the only "legitimate" (using the definition I mentioned earlier) tournaments these days are the international ones like Katowice. The foreign scene and the Korean scene both have a weak lineup on their own, with only 3-4 contenders each. It feels weird to place so much value in tournaments that have such weak lineups.

Whatson

United States5357 Posts

February 25 2023 07:06 GMT

#24

Legitimate? Sure. Does a GSL title mean as much in prior years? No.

GSL has always had the deepest lineup of players out of all non-World Championship/Katowice tournaments, but even in 2019-2022, you could clearly see how the lack of new blood affected the tournament. The fact that a bunch of washed-up players like DRG, Classic, Ryung, and Gumiho could even make it back into GSL should have been a huge red flag.

The contenders will hang around, but it'll be interesting to see which of the regular players decide to stick it out.

Telephone

United States148 Posts

February 25 2023 16:33 GMT

#25

On February 25 2023 16:06 Whatson wrote:
The fact that a bunch of washed-up players like DRG, Classic, Ryung, and Gumiho could even make it back into GSL should have been a huge red flag.

CALL GUMIHO WASHED UP AGAIN

Acrofales

Spain18312 Posts

February 25 2023 17:17 GMT

#26

Problem is the reduced prize pool. My bet is a lot of the pros will look for other ways to make money. Sure, the teams still pay salaries, but both the teams and the players rely partially on the prizes they win to stay afloat. I'm sure the top 3 of Maru, herO and Dark can still make a living off GSL. Maybe players like Ragnarok, Solar, Bunny and DRG can too (put TY and Stats in that tier too if they decide to return), but it'll be a lot harder for all of them. And more likely a lot of those that still have the military ahead, will decide to do that now, and then see what the RTS scene looks like when they get back.

And no, if it's just Maru, herO and a bunch of chumps for them to beat up on, that is not a worthy GSL. Or we'd need to consider WCS Europe as a premier tournament as well.

Xamo

Spain886 Posts

February 25 2023 22:13 GMT

#27

100% legitimate, unless we see players massively going to military. I don’t think that it will happen, why not wait for next year…

mark_lenders

74 Posts

February 26 2023 00:00 GMT

#28

I don't think many players will immediately retire. For them it's still an easy 750$ while playing from home for a couple of days (qualifiers and ro16 group)

It certainly will affect their practice though

tlnetuser108

83 Posts

February 26 2023 07:00 GMT

#29

Yes. Still more legit than Katowice, Blizzcon, WCS Finals, etc. I would say that even in 2023, if a player hasn't even tried to participate in the GSL, they can't be considered GOAT under any circumstances. This applies to KESPA stuff too like Proleague and OSL. For example Neeb can't possibly ever be considered a GOAT contender despite winning the 2016 KESPA cup, or beating a few top Koreans in foreign tournaments.

You have to at least try to participate in GSL main season if you wanna be considered a GOAT. Sorry, that's just the way it is. Doesn't matter if you win against a few Koreans in Katowice or Blizzcon. You aren't GOAT and never will be if you don't try for GSL.

phodacbiet

United States1740 Posts

February 26 2023 08:00 GMT

#30

Did Blizzard ban sc2? No? Then why wouldn't it be legitimate?

BelethielQT

90 Posts

February 26 2023 10:20 GMT

#31

On February 26 2023 16:00 tlnetuser108 wrote:
Yes. Still more legit than Katowice, Blizzcon, WCS Finals, etc. I would say that even in 2023, if a player hasn't even tried to participate in the GSL, they can't be considered GOAT under any circumstances. This applies to KESPA stuff too like Proleague and OSL. For example Neeb can't possibly ever be considered a GOAT contender despite winning the 2016 KESPA cup, or beating a few top Koreans in foreign tournaments.

You have to at least try to participate in GSL main season if you wanna be considered a GOAT. Sorry, that's just the way it is. Doesn't matter if you win against a few Koreans in Katowice or Blizzcon. You aren't GOAT and never will be if you don't try for GSL.

Sorry that's not the way it is

knotfun

41 Posts

February 26 2023 12:08 GMT

#32

No, GSL has been basically reduced to a regional qualifier for the main event at Dreamhack, just like other regions' regional qualifiers.
Will I still watch it? Of course. Will it be the same? Nah.

But tbh, this makes perfectly sense. GSL was a great show but in the last few years I have watched it like "whatever" because it went downhill quite a lot with pros retiring, going military and the meta game stagnating.

Last good year was 2020. It's been great during the pandemic days.

In general, I'm happy Oliveira has won IEM 2023 with a cinderella story. We need different people winning, every surprise is a gift at this point.

deacon.frost

Czech Republic12129 Posts

February 26 2023 12:26 GMT

#33

No, not even close. At least compared to previous GSLs

hwjdts224

13 Posts

February 27 2023 15:08 GMT

#34

prize pool is pathetic, 28k for s1 kekw

catplanetcatplanet

3836 Posts

February 27 2023 17:20 GMT

#35

I'm glad maru lifted G5L before we had to have this discussion

mintyminmus

Australia127 Posts

February 27 2023 17:46 GMT

#36

It is a legit "M" level tournament allright (for code S), like a ESL koeran circuit to qualify for DreamHack and IEM. I would have a hard time putting it as a premier event at its current format, predicted competitveness (only koeran local) and prize pool.

mintyminmus

Australia127 Posts

February 27 2023 17:48 GMT

#37

Sorry bro but no

moonsjde

48 Posts

February 27 2023 18:32 GMT

#38

i never understood why people cared about this even before the esport was winding down and the debate seems extra pointless now. we already know who the best players are and there's not going to be new top players so ?

rwala

338 Posts

February 27 2023 18:53 GMT

#39

Depends on the level of competition, but clearly this is not sustainable. I wonder if there ought to be some coproduction/pooling of resources to keep GSL sustainable. In other words, rather than having these 15K prize pool smaller online events that many top players don't play in, perhaps investing that money in GSL and giving Shopify, AlphaX, etc. some stake in the endeavor. Just a thought.

Blargh

United States2103 Posts

February 27 2023 20:08 GMT

#40

Legitimate is a silly word to use. Is it prestigious? Not any more. You could even argue that 2022 GSL wasn't prestigious, at least in the way GSL's used to be.

Seriously, it's barely worth the effort. You may as well just go work a part-time job somewhere and you'll make way more than you could from the petty prize pool of GSL.

I think the biggest problem is that players just won't care about it like they used to. They won't grind games like they used to, they won't practice like they used to. This was already apparent from 2020-22, and it's going to be much more apparent in 23.

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