EPTWill you consider 2023 GSL tournaments to be 'legitimate?'
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TL.net Bot
TL.net133 Posts
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MJG
United Kingdom1382 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1849 Posts
*note not to be confused with the skill of players going down. Skill of players has continued to rise. The competition just wasn't as fierce. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
So in short yes GSL will likely be less competitive but still one of the most competitive premier tournaments of 2023. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1849 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/3GsqWFE.png) for fun here is what chatgpt thinks. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1250 Posts
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1849 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/9L4K6Mh.png) One could entertain the argument that this is one of the *most* legitimate tournaments, as players will prep as much as they can knowing the stakes, and that it could be their last. | ||
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NeWHoriZonS
55 Posts
It's basically the same top players winning again and again, they just stomp everyone until RO4 until they meet each other. Creator and Ragnarok making it to the final wasn't entirely due to them increasing their skill level let's be honest, and it showed in the finals. This year the same will happen : herO, Maru and Dark (until he retires himself, which should happen very soon) will just compete against each other and the other matches won't actually matter. It could get interesting if HM and Reynor participates as it's rumored, but that's about it. | ||
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JJH777
United States4415 Posts
On February 24 2023 23:46 CicadaSC wrote: One could entertain the argument that this is one of the *most* legitimate tournaments, as players will prep as much as they can knowing the stakes, and that it could be their last. Assuming those are comments from his stream a few hours ago then on that same stream Solar said something along the lines of "getting eliminated from GSL will not impact me much now because the prize is so low." Additionally Ryung "joked" about needing to get a part time job. I don't think 2023 GSL can be considered anywhere near prior years now. The difference between this and prior skill drops like Kespa leaving is that players still had incentive to put in a high amount of effort because prizes were always just as high as ever. Many GSL players are going to have to work due to this news. Others will just lack motivation. This will decrease level of play dramatically especially for the players who typically qualify for GSL but don't make it to global events. | ||
Poopi
France12907 Posts
On February 25 2023 00:15 NeWHoriZonS wrote: To be fair, even the GSL in 2022 weren't very legitimate imo. Not as much as the previous ones at least. It's basically the same top players winning again and again, they just stomp everyone until RO4 until they meet each other. Creator and Ragnarok making it to the final wasn't entirely due to them increasing their skill level let's be honest, and it showed in the finals. This year the same will happen : herO, Maru and Dark (until he retires himself, which should happen very soon) will just compete against each other and the other matches won't actually matter. It could get interesting if HM and Reynor participates as it's rumored, but that's about it. Well it was still by far the highest level tournament outside of international ones though? There were far more top players than in EU, which was the second highest local tournament. Creator and RagnaroK also really improved: top 4 at IEM for RagnaroK and top 12 for Creator. If we compare that to the top DH players: Clem only made top 24, Serral top 8, Reynor top 8, Neeb top 16, Astrea top 24 and Scarlett top 36. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
The more pros you lose in a scene (with basically noone new entering), the less competitive it is, obviously. (which isn't to say that the level of play was bad, two different things) It remains to be seen what the current korean pros will do, though looking at the money in the scene i'd expect retirements, military services being done asap, some people switching to the bw scene where there is more money to be made, etc. The korean sc2 scene just isn't attractive for anyone with that kind of money, speculating everything onto that championship at the very end of the season (which also won't have nearly the same amount of prize pool), yeah no way, the makeup of the korean playerbase will change once more drastically i imagine, and even for people who stay in it, this doesn't allow you to go allin either. 2023 gonna be a sad year. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4230 Posts
As Major though? Yes, of course. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16022 Posts
On February 25 2023 01:02 Poopi wrote: Well it was still by far the highest level tournament outside of international ones though? There were far more top players than in EU, which was the second highest local tournament. Creator and RagnaroK also really improved: top 4 at IEM for RagnaroK and top 12 for Creator. If we compare that to the top DH players: Clem only made top 24, Serral top 8, Reynor top 8, Neeb top 16, Astrea top 24 and Scarlett top 36. Well, in the foreign scene the situation is the same with Reynor, Serral, Clem winning everything and the rest of the playing field being even weaker than in GSL. Only at international events the player field is at a respectable level with the top players of both regions competing but I'd still say an international tournament today is easier to win than a GSL in 2018 (which was easier to win than a GSL in 2015). | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
We'll see how many players retire or what the quality of the games look like after the first GSL. I think it'll be worth it for the better players to get into the EPT events, but only time will tell. | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
The problem is these changes take away what little incentive there was for lower tier players to try to compete. | ||
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Slydie
1929 Posts
As many have said, this could have ended a long time ago, it is amazing how it kept running despite the Life scandal and mass team collapses. | ||
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IMSupervisor
Australia138 Posts
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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