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tigera6
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AcrossFromTime
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On August 06 2023 01:58 Fango wrote: Since you published the "Maru will never win another tournament, INnoVation will look back having saved terran" article, Maru has won 13 premier events including (7 GSL seasons). INnoVation has won 1 It was a great article mind, but historically wrong. Probably the most wrong on this entire site. (would be a great write up if anyone can find all the articles that aged badly) Ahh memories... I remember when... after Maru beat Innovation (crushed him actually) in an upset that made the TL writers so hurt that they ranked Maru 2nd to Innovation in the Power Rank. They couldn't understand why Maru was better, because they didn't understand that the better player always wins, by definition of the word better. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26261 Posts
That classic duo were both somehow both right on the money and staggeringly incorrect simultaneously. Schrödinger’s articles | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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Blitzball04
191 Posts
On August 18 2024 01:28 Azzur wrote: Maru is a great player, and one of the greatest. However, imho, he should never be the GOAT because he just doesn't have the mentality of a true champion. For instance, he really should've won the series against Dark, he was winning in games 3 & 5 but decide to do silly things instead of playing his natural game (which should've won). No one has Maru as the goat except the minority The general consensus from fans , casters, and pros has Serral as the goat since 2020 | ||
Waxangel
United States33559 Posts
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tigera6
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
Maru only racked up his 5th-8th GSL wins after Rogue had to leave for military and 3 of those were when GSL heavily downsized (going online too etc.)... they really don't count for much especially with Rogue gone, when we're talking about who's the #1 GOAT and whether Rogue or Maru should be above the other. To me, Maru isn't even the greatest KR player, he's tied with Rogue at best, but in 2022 I would have given Rogue the slight edge over Maru with their recent results. | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1913 Posts
What worries me most is the fact that he was rubbing his shoulder a lot and had a pretty large dressing on his wrist. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
On August 18 2024 01:36 Blitzball04 wrote: No one has Maru as the goat except the minority The general consensus from fans , casters, and pros has Serral as the goat since 2020 No one in America is an immigrant except the minority. The general consensus from fans, citizens and foreigners is Americans are native since 1776. I don't even think Maru is the GOAT...but man yall say silly things sometimes. | ||
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Mizenhauer
United States1913 Posts
On August 18 2024 03:20 Cricketer12 wrote: No one in America is an immigrant except the minority. The general consensus from fans, citizens and foreigners is Americans are native since 1776. I don't even think Maru is the GOAT...but man yall say silly things sometimes. Wow, what a nice friend you are, You're supposed to back me up  | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13991 Posts
On August 18 2024 04:06 Mizenhauer wrote: Wow, what a nice friend you are, You're supposed to back me up Brother, I love you, you know that, and I honestly don't even think it's your fault. A GOAT list is impossible to accurately produce given the best player was banned for match-fixing and the people's best player didn't start until the scene was a fragment of its former glory. DRG Fighting | ||
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johnnyh123
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On August 18 2024 04:29 Cricketer12 wrote: Brother, I love you, you know that, and I honestly don't even think it's your fault. A GOAT list is impossible to accurately produce given the best player was banned for match-fixing and the people's best player didn't start until the scene was a fragment of its former glory. DRG Fighting My feeling as well echoed by at least a few pro (uthermal, elazer...) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26261 Posts
On August 18 2024 02:07 tigera6 wrote: What pissed me off this time is that Maru knew his opening was greedy AF, and people would always try to punish him for it, either in TvZ or TvT. But he made no adjustment to the build, accepting to fight out of the hole he dug himself too many times. Was there somebody around telling him, he should try something more safe/more aggressive, or he is too stubborn to listen to advice at this point of his career. I think what’s especially odd about it is basically nobody else can squeeze out those few extra workers, never miss a unit production round and all while manouvering around quite like Maru (as a Terran anyway) But he’s frequently super greedy as well and just well, dies. Ok you mix it up, but for me playing so consistently greedily makes more sense if you’re not a macro machine, and cutting that corner to get the extra moolah compensate somewhat. In TvZ I mind it less, his style usually works and you gotta be greedy to get there quickly enough. While something isn’t quite working for him there, the central idea I don’t mind as much. Adjust it a bit for opponents would be nice? Serral well, idk what he does there. But for Dark he can tone down the greed against a much less greedy, infamously aggressive Zerg. I’m not sure if he can beat Reynor in a bio slugfest, or with straight pushes every time but he has the space to be super greedy as Reynor also is, and play that defensive style and he’s done it to great effect. In TvT it feels he’s got greedier and greedier too though, and that’s a matchup where he provably makes comebacks over and over again from deficits, through sheer mechanics, positioning or killer instinct. So play a little safer, be even and you’re probably favoured ultimately. I suck(ed) at the game, but relative to my level I was pretty decent mechanically compared to many. Ergo I’d just always open a safe, reasonably economic opener and I’d be in a good spot to gradually make my advantages count. What was it Artosis once said? ‘When Maru’s behind he’s even, when he’s even he’s ahead and when he’s ahead you’re dead’ to roughly paraphrase. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
On August 18 2024 01:28 Azzur wrote: Maru is a great player, and one of the greatest. However, imho, he should never be the GOAT because he just doesn't have the mentality of a true champion. For instance, he really should've won the series against Dark, he was winning in games 3 & 5 but decide to do silly things instead of playing his natural game (which should've won). He was even winning against Serral in Game 4. But then he decided to attack on-creep with Serral being more than prepared on his attack and getting crushed like a Diamond player against a GM. Man all he had to do was to defend and trade efficiently because he already had a lot of ghosts, thors and helbats. | ||
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johnnyh123
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tigera6
3464 Posts
On August 18 2024 14:47 SamirDuran wrote: He was even winning against Serral in Game 4. But then he decided to attack on-creep with Serral being more than prepared on his attack and getting crushed like a Diamond player against a GM. Man all he had to do was to defend and trade efficiently because he already had a lot of ghosts, thors and helbats. Nah, I looked at that games and felt that Serral was slighly ahead because he mined more gas than Maru. The attack was bad, but I think Maru knew he needed to do something there. On August 18 2024 15:16 johnnyh123 wrote: Not sure why Maru is always underperforming in overseas tournaments. Lifestyle, food, and stuff for sure affects performance, but it's just sad. Shouldn't there be a coach or something that helps to fix this issue? To say him "always underperforming" is not very accurate, outside of Serral he has been the most consistent player internationally for the last 2 years or so. But I agree that he could have done better if he got properly coached/trained/conditioned. The question is, is the team providing him those or if hes even receptive to those. The recurring theme has been he doesnt always feel good with his body, and that impacted his playstyle and decision in the game. Sometimes he looks like he has figured things out and play beautifully, the other times he just look like a complete buffoon trying to do many non-sensical things. | ||
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