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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-08-21 22:24:52
August 21 2022 22:22 GMT
#41
On August 21 2022 04:35 Balnazza wrote:
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On August 20 2022 16:59 stilt wrote:
On August 20 2022 02:30 Charoisaur wrote:
On August 20 2022 02:23 stilt wrote:
On August 19 2022 21:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Nope, IEM Katowice is also a World Championship.

meaning the title Blizzard gives out once a year

By your own definition IEM 2021- now shouldn't count as it's not run by Blizzard



Also copying my responses from the other thread where we had this discussion:
Fair enough I just think it's a bit weird / arbitrary to only call the world championships that are the result of a year-long circuit 'real' world championships. In fact I would argue the IEM qualifier format leads to a more fierce player pool because that makes sure only the most in-form players qualify and not players who were strong in the beginning of the year and then declined but still made it in on points.
Also in many real sports world championships just have a normal qualifier, so it's not like that's a defining feature of a world championship.

I mean it doesn't matter anyways, it's just semantics.
Whether you consider Rogue a 3 time world championship winner or a 1 time world championship winner who has also won 2 other world championship equivalent tournaments which are basically the same in terms of player pool, prestige and prize money and also have 'world championship' in its name but officially aren't 'real' world championships due to arbitrary criteria doesn't make a difference.


It has never been considered a wc until it was endorsed by blizzard as such. At best during the last years of wcs world it was the equivalent of msi in lol but the cash prize, the prod and the overall circuit the audience and the hype were nowhere near the wc world, nice facts distorsion here, it was often two times lower if no more, and when it wasn't in 2019, the difference was 300k k so no, the prize pool isn't "basically the same", as far as prestige, that's nothing more than revisionnism, each wcs was the pinacle of the starcraft years and were presented as such by writers, casters, players and the community.

I begin to understand why rogue fanboys consider him the goat when they literally invent titles. What's the next step now ? Genius was a world champ ? Lol Or let's add wesg as wc after all.

Anyway, glad to learn yoda and ace are world champion, it took 10 years for them to get recognized as such haha I ever remember people bitching about the gsl spot awarded to Ace after his victory because the level/prestige in the tourney was actually too low.
As said before, providence was actually a way bigger tournament at the time.

This is not Rogue fans inventing titles, it's the opposite lol.
This was never a discussion before Rogue started winning them as JJH777 already said, sOs was unanimously called a 3-time-World Champion by basically all of the community, most casters etc. and nobody ever argued against that.
This is just Rogue haters being salty he has won the most of them and trying to discredit him


That was never discussed because that was never considered as such, tell anyone what you're stating in 2019 and they will say bs.
sOs 3 times wc by the community, that's wrong, he was always deemed the two times world champions or the two times blizzcon winners because blizzcon at the time were the wc, the tournament which eclypsed the rest. In almost every intro by the casters, the community it was the two times wc.
Zest wasn't called a wc either btw, none of them were until the end of wcs and when rogue fanboy began to push the narrative he was the goat. Just like his "longevity" which is always brought up while he didn't win a premier before the second half of 2017, Dark being by far the best zerg of lotv until it happened, this one in term of achievements is a super underrated player.
And you obviously didn't adress my points, the prize pool being the more damning but narrative>facts.
Just like a look at the old threads, debates of the then competition or the list of the goat of hots/all time made by stuchiu good luck in finding ppl stating kato=wcs world in it but then again, pointing facts seem pointless.

And before you bring I am a serral fanboy, I consider the goat is Maru, precisely because he actually won a ton during the kespa period even if his lack of actual wc is a asterisk he has the longevity.


Just so you have some stats:
Rogue has not won a single Liquipedia Premier Tournament pre-LotV (and then went nuts ofc).
Maru has not won a WoL-Premier, but is 2 Gold/1 Silver in HotS, also going nuts in LotV.

(If you want to talk about longevity: The only two Top 10 Premier players that have won a tournament in every addon are Polt and MMA. PartinG and MaNa have atleast finals appearances in every addon. So technically, since MaNa is the only one of those four that is still active, he is the player with the highest longevity in Premier tournaments. MaNa GOAT confirmed? Who knows...)



The whole thing of dividing the scene in 3 big chunks by the OG + expansions makes me a bit uncomfortable since it feels misleading. The span between WOL and HOTS was only 2 years and a half. HOTS period was merely 3 years and LOTV is 7 already. Makes more sense to simple use years, so you can say: Maru has been a title contender and top tier since 2013, Rogue didn't exploded until 2017 and Serral became relevant in 2018.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1177 Posts
August 21 2022 22:30 GMT
#42
On August 22 2022 06:27 uselless wrote:
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On August 20 2022 06:06 Balnazza wrote:
Guys....urgh. Okay, just because you all annoyed me...I mean just because I love this community so much, here is the Top 10 of players finishing Gold or Silver in EVERY Premier event listed on Liquipedia, except three Code A that are listed there which I felt was dumb, sorry. I was also too lazy to check for Top 4/8, if someone wants to do that, feel free and lets go! Also I won't post the entire list because it honestly is a hassle...may include a screenshot if you like?

Top 10 of all Premier events:

1. (Z)Serral (17/9)
2. (T)Maru (11/8)
3. (T)TaeJa (11/2)
4. (Z)Rogue (11/1)
5. (T)INnoVation (10/4)
-. YouKnowWho (10/4)
6. (T)MMA (9/4)
7. (T)Mvp (9/2)
8. (Z)Reynor (8/9)
9. (T)Polt (8/5)
10. (P)Neeb (8/4)

And yes, this list includes the regional DreamHack Masters in the last couple years, thus Neebs strong performance. But excluding them would have meant to also exclude GSL which is just odd. Though I assume this list will tank anyway since neither Rogue nor Maru are on the top?

Fret not! Here are also the Top 5 of every addon!

Wings of Liberty:

1. (T)Mvp (8/2)
2. (P)MC (5/4)
3. (T)MMA (5/2)
-. YouKnowWho (4/1)
4. (Z)Leenock (3/2)
4. (T)PuMa (3/2)
((T)TaeJa, (P)HerO, (Z)Stephano and (Z)NesTea tie for sixth place with 3/1)

Heart of the Swarm:

1. (T)TaeJa (8/1)
-. YouKnowWho (6/3)
2. (T)Polt (5/3)
3. (P)herO (5/2)
4. (T)INnoVation (4/2)
4. (P)sOs (4/2)
((P)Zest and (T)Bomber are tied for sixth place with 4/1)

Legacy of the Void:

1. (Z)Serral (17/9)
2. (Z)Rogue (11/1)
3. (T)Maru (9/7)
4. (Z)Reynor (8/9)
5. (P)Neeb (8/4)

Once again, do with those numbers whatever you like


i'm not going to get into any of this thread's debate, but i just gotta say, this number layout is terrible unless i'm missing something obvious. what are the fractions supposed to mean? before it was obvious that they were gold, silver, top 4, and top 8 finishes, but idk what these are


Sorry if that was unclear: These aren't fractions, but Gold/Silver medals (first number Gold, second number Silver). I didn't check for Top 4 or 8 in this list.

As for dividing it into the addons:
That was just an afterthought when the split between WoL and HotS came, so I thought I will just implement it. Doing it by years may be more true to the quest how long someone lasted/lasts in the game, but I didn't think of that (plus again, it would have been a hassle to split between two seperate arguments (years and addons)).
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-24 12:53:51
February 24 2023 12:51 GMT
#43
I won't update the complete list here (honestly a hassle), but just a few mentions after the recent 22/23 World Championship:

Serral is now the best performing player at the WCs, his Top 8 finish helping him to break the stalemate with sOs.

Maru has become the best performing player at the WCs that hasn't won the trophy yet.

Oliveira/TIME is the third terran to win the WC. Funnily, just as his predecessors ByuN and Mvp, he hasn't had a single Top 8 finish yet at the WC. Oliveira is also only the second Chinese player to reach the Top 8 at the WC, outperforming Loner (1x 2nd Place).

Dark and Maru close the gap to Rogue concerning the most Top 8 finishes at the WC, all three of them have 6 now. Considering that Darks military service is around the corner and this might be the last chance to do so, Maru could get the top spot in that category this year with atleast another Top 8 finish.

Terran is still the worst performing race at the WCs (3x Gold, 3x. Silver, 8x Top 4, 18x Top 8), but closed the gap to Protoss (4/3//10/13). Zerg remains at the top (6/7/9/21), but is ironically still the only of the three races with a negative record in terms of winning finals.

Kind of obvious, but with the new region split, America remains the only region that has never won the WC.

The best performing players at the WC from each of the now four regions are:
EU: Serral
S.Korea: sOs
Asia-Pacific: Oliveira
America: SpeCial
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
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