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Code S Season 2 Finals (2022): herO vs Maru Preview

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Code S Season 2 Finals (2022): herO vs Maru Preview

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July 28th, 2022 03:27 GMT

2022 GSL Code S Season 2 - Grand Finals

by Poopi and Wax

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More info: GSL Code S Season 2 on Liquipedia

The Stakes

For most fans, Maru's quest to win the G5L trophy is the central focus of this match. Originally created for the great Mvp ahead of the Code S Season 4 finals in 2012, the G5L trophy ultimately went unawarded after Life won the championship in a breakout performance.

In the years that followed, the G5L trophy became considered to be more of a fantastical object than an award that would ever be realistically bestowed upon a player. The competition in the StarCraft II scene grew more intense by the year, and there was considerable churn at the very top. As time went on, it seemed like the hyper-dominant reigns of Nestea and Mvp were relics of the past, never to be recreated in a modern setting.

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However, that all changed in 2018 when Maru finally realized his full potential. At the time, Maru was already an elite player with multiple championships to his name. However, he had shown such prodigious talent from such a young age that merely ending up as a 'great' player somehow felt like a disappointment.

That year, something clicked for Maru in a way it never had before. He finally converted that unparalleled, raw talent into not mere greatness, but into the most dominant run in GSL history. He achieved an unprecedented full-year sweep in GSL Code S, winning all three championships in 2018. That momentum carried over into early 2019 as well, and he won an unbelievable fourth consecutive Code S title. In little over a year, Maru had brought the G5L trophy back from the recesses of our memories to the forefront of SC2 competition..

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However, just as it had been for Mvp, the mere construction of a G5L trophy seemed to jinx its intended recipient. Since winning title #4 in 2019, Maru has gone 0-for-2 in attempts to take win #5. His first unsuccessful finals challenge, lost against TY in 2020's Season 3, was somewhat understandable. TY was arguably the best TvT player in the world, and one of the few players who seemed like Maru's equal during his dominant 2018 stretch.

However, Maru's second failed attempt at securing the G5L made it feel like the trophy was truly cursed. Maru headed into the 2021 Season 2 finals as a massive favorite against Rogue, having defeated every other top Zerg in the world in the months prior. Yet, somehow, the nigh-invincible Maru had no answer for Rogue's surprise deployment of a Roach-Ravager style, and lost by a shocking and deflating 1-4 outcome. Thus, even though Maru appears to be in fantastic form ahead of this match, fans are right to be leery about his chances of winning the most elusive prize in StarCraft II.

While Maru is on the verge of completing THE most difficult individual accomplishment in StarCraft II, we shouldn't let it overshadow the considerable historic stakes for herO as well.

At an individual level, this is herO's chance to win his first ever Code S championship. herO is already one of the great players in StarCraft II history, with six major individual titles under his belt and a stellar run as CJ Entus' ace in Proleague. However, only one of his individual championships was won in a "Tier 1" event—that being 2015's SSL Season 3. It's an unfortunate fact of life that the victors get to write the history books, and this once major event operated by SpoTV is barely remembered by modern day fans. Fairly or unfairly, GSL Code S is the true measure of greatness in Korean StarCraft II, and the lack of a Code S title puts herO's legacy firmly behind the likes of Zest, Stats, or Classic.

On a more communal level, this is a chance for Protoss to win their first Code S championship in over five years. The aforementioned Stats was the last Protoss champion, winning Code S Season 1 back in March of 2017. Due to shifts in balance, the unfavorable metas, and perhaps simply an unfortunate maldistribution of championship-caliber talent (we'll leave it to the TL.net readers to argue about which factor was MOST important), Protoss has been stuck in a rut ever since. It's been an especially infuriating experience for Protoss fans, as Protoss has actually reached the finals in ten out of fifteen possible Code S finals in those five years. You read that right: Protoss is in the midst of a ten match losing streak in Code S finals.

Finally, herO can win this for an even greater collective than that of Protoss: every progamer who aspires to a post-military career. Over the years, we've seen progamers slowly turn what used to be a career death sentence into a more manageable roadblock, thus breathing 'new' life into the Korean esports scene. However, no one has made what could be considered a full recovery, with military service always seeming to exact some kind of toll on their skill level. Now, herO stands to become a player who became even better after his military service by winning the biggest championship of his career. Such an event could recalibrate career expectations for dozens of progamers going forward.

Thus, even as Maru fights for the ultimate individual accolade, a triumph for herO could be just as meaningful.

The Path to the Finals

Both herO and Maru have gone on impressive runs to reach the grand finals. Among his progamer peers, herO was one of the most hyped players headed into the tournament, and he proved that he was worthy of their acclaim by taking first place in both his round-of-20 group (beating DRG and Rogue) and round-of-10 group (wins against DRG, soO, and Zoun, loss vs Maru). Maru was also able to top his RO20 group (wins vs Solar and Creator), but finished second place to herO the RO10 by the difference of a single map (wins vs herO, soO, and Zoun, loss to DRG).

That first place seed allowed herO to bypass the round-of-6 stage of the playoffs and go directly to the semifinals, where he managed to beat Bunny 3-1 in a convincing series. While Bunny may be severely lacking compared to herO in terms of career resume, this match was hardly a formality. Bunny had been on fire in 2022, also winning his RO20 group and putting up a strong 3-1 record in his RO10 group (wins vs RagnaroK, Creator, and Cure, loss vs Dark). If herO made that match look somewhat one-sided, it was more a credit to herO than a mark against Bunny.

One of the big reasons Bunny should be treated as a credible opponent is because he actually beat Maru himself in the RO6. In Maru's shakiest moment of the tournament, he was unable to clinch a semifinal spot on his first try as he gave up a shocking 1-3 upset to Bunny. It was one of the weirdest TvT series in recent memory, with Maru apparently overthinking things with strategies like heavy bio into Ghosts (allegedly to counter Ravens in the late game), or 2-Starport Raven openers.

Thankfully, for Maru fans, and neutrals who simply want to see the G5L trophy actually get awarded in their lifetimes, Maru looked far more impressive in his last-chance RO6 series against DongRaeGu. Despite losing 0-2 in their RO10 encounter, Maru was able to sweep DRG in the rematch with a series of 2 base all-ins/timing pushes.

If fans were worried about Maru's condition after his loss to Bunny, he blew such concerns away with a fantastic 3-1 victory over Dark in the semifinals. Dark had defeated both herO and Maru during his championship run at DreamHack Valencia, which gave him the provisional title of 'best in the world.' Maru was able to demonstrate the full breadth of his power in that series, winning with both his defensive late-game style and with a well-disguised 2-base all-in.

Though the competition has been very tight at the summit of the SC2 scene for over a year now, one could argue Maru is currently the tentative #1 player in the world. Not only did he pay back Dark for his loss at DreamHack Valencia, but he also has a winning record against herO in their recent matches. Even though herO is riding in on a wave of incredible momentum, he still seems like the slight underdog against a peak-form Maru.

The Match-up

Both before and after his military service, herO has been a master of offensive Protoss play. While he receives plenty of deserved praise for his precise micro in small-scale combat, it overshadows what might be his true greatest strength: an uncanny sense for knowing when his opponent is weak. Often, herO will go for a daring attack that initially seems unwise, but he somehow ends up getting an advantageous trade out of it (or just outright kills the opponent).

However, as with many players who thrive with an aggressive style, one has to wonder if there's an upward limit to herO's success. He may have looked nearly flawless against Bunny, but can he be as successful against a defensive master like Maru? Those audacious Blinks into the Terran main, those headlong dives into the Terran defense—they just might not be available to herO in this series. Or, perhaps even worse, herO could enforce a more passive style upon himself, intimidated by Maru's reputation.

As we've already seen in some of herO's earlier matches this year, playing into the ultra-late game is an inevitability in a series against Maru. And, in the late game, it still looks like Maru is on an entirely different level from other Terrans. It's hard to recall the last time any Protoss managed to beat Maru in a prolonged bout, unless they already had a significant advantage from the early/mid-game.

While it's easy to simplify this match down to 'offense vs defense,' Maru has already shown against DRG and Dark that he can subvert such expectations. Passive turtle play might be what Maru is most known for at the moment, but he can make you pay if you think he's only capable of one style.

Maru and herO's most recent match at DreamHack Valencia was a BO3 in the group stages (VOD), where Maru took a clean 2-0 victory. herO tried to go to the late game against Maru on the first map of Moondance, but as expected, Maru's defense was extremely hard to crack. After constant repositioning and probing, it looked like herO might have finally found an opening with his Tempest-based army, but Maru pulled off a fantastic, multi-directional flank to win the game-deciding battle. On the second map, herO was able to take a comfortable early-game lead, pinning Maru down on 2 bases with blink stalker aggression. This prompted Maru to go all-in off a weak economy,, and he managed to take a comeback win thanks to herO staying over-aggressive in a dicey situation. herO admitted he played terribly afterward, and it will be interesting to see how he adjusts his game for this best-of-seven series.

The stats website Aligulac.com sees both Maru and herO as the clear #1 players on either side of the TvP match-up, gapping the #2 players by a comfortable 100+ rating points. However, when compared directly against each other, Aligulac gives Maru the edge with a 64.93% chance of winning the best-of-seven series. TL.net Liquibet users are predicting Maru to win at around a 3-to-1 ratio, while online betting odds reveal that gamblers see this as a 60:40 proposition in Maru's favor.

The career head-to-head record favors Maru slightly as he leads 16W-12L-1D in overall series (37W-28L map score), but this bears a closer look considering that these two have been playing against each other since 2013. The two players were actually fairly evenly matched before herO went on hiatus in 2020-21 for his military service, with Maru pulling ahead AFTER herO made his comeback. Indeed, since herO's return, Maru has dominated herO with five victories and a draw, racking up a map score of 13W-5L in those matches. Their closest match was during GSL Super Tournament 1 (2022) where Maru won 3-2, but other than that, he's been pretty dominant against herO.

In the semifinals preview, we surmised that Maru may have barely lost to Dark at DreamHack Valencia due to fatigue and his general trend of performing poorly in overseas events. As it turned out, Maru ended up being just slightly better than Dark when they rematched in Korea. Given that Maru was already able to 2-0 herO in Valencia, one might start to wonder if we're headed to a one-sided finish. In fact, all of Maru's TvP finals in Code S have been rather one-sided: 4-2 vs Stats, 4-0 vs Zest, and 4-2 vs Classic.

The final thing to consider is whether or not the G5L is truly a cursed trophy. Maru has already failed to win it in two prior finals against TY and Rogue, and in the latter he was a massive favorite headed into the match (even more so than he is against herO). Say what you will about Protoss and its inability to win Code S titles, but the G5L might be even more sacrosanct.

When you add everything up, it seems that Maru is at least a moderate favorite. While Maru has a clear advantage in the late-game, it's uncertain as to how successful herO will be with his early/mid-game aggression. Certainly, you can envision a best-case scenario where each and every one of herO's builds hit perfectly, and Maru loses without ever getting to play his real game. However, it seems more likely that herO will only be able to work his magic a handful of times, and ultimately fall to the more solid Maru.

Prediction: Maru 4 - 2 herO




Credits and acknowledgements

Writers: Poopi & Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Records and Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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samAel1
Profile Joined October 2019
Poland26 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-28 06:37:04
July 28 2022 06:35 GMT
#2
Its gonna be rough for herO :< GL my fav toss! Lets upset some people and make toss great again!
samÆl
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-28 06:57:05
July 28 2022 06:53 GMT
#3
I would love to see Maru vs Rogue in the final fighting for G5L trophy. Defeating Rogue in the offline final BO7 series, then grabbing G5L is the best satisfying story that can be offered. So, I am going to support herO.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Alpharius
Profile Joined September 2018
Vietnam39 Posts
July 28 2022 07:00 GMT
#4
GSL Final are historically one-sided, and on paper this might not be an exception. Rooting for herO to give us an exciting match
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
July 28 2022 07:16 GMT
#5
5 GSLs, never thought I'd see the day
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XDEKSDEEXD
Profile Joined June 2013
622 Posts
July 28 2022 07:43 GMT
#6
Someone help me understand - in the history of SC2, MVP, Maru, Innovation and Rogue have all won 4 GSL each, correct? And now Maru is on the verge of becoming the first ever 5-time GSL champion?
daskleinehotte
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany76 Posts
July 28 2022 07:47 GMT
#7
Nice write up! Looking forward to the Finals tomorrow, I hope Maru can snatch that legendary G5L!

"If fans were worried about Maru's condition after his loss to Bunny, he blew such concerns away with a fantastic 3-2 victory over Dark in the semifinals."

Maru won 3-1 vs. Dark
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tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3380 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-28 08:01:24
July 28 2022 07:59 GMT
#8
So because Maru changed team, they will give him a new G5L trophy if he win right? Not the one shown in the picture with JinAir team name.

On July 28 2022 16:43 XDEKSDEEXD wrote:
Someone help me understand - in the history of SC2, MVP, Maru, Innovation and Rogue have all won 4 GSL each, correct? And now Maru is on the verge of becoming the first ever 5-time GSL champion?

Yes, except that Inno "only" won 3 GSL code S iirc.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 28 2022 09:42 GMT
#9
On July 28 2022 16:43 XDEKSDEEXD wrote:
Someone help me understand - in the history of SC2, MVP, Maru, Innovation and Rogue have all won 4 GSL each, correct? And now Maru is on the verge of becoming the first ever 5-time GSL champion?

Since current G5L only counts Code S victories, Mvp and Innovation won 3 respectively. Rogue and Maru are at 4.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6921 Posts
July 28 2022 10:05 GMT
#10
Great write-up!

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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
July 28 2022 11:53 GMT
#11
So much hype! Fingers and toes crossed for Maru!
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Lokol18
Profile Joined July 2021
51 Posts
July 28 2022 12:25 GMT
#12
On July 28 2022 18:42 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2022 16:43 XDEKSDEEXD wrote:
Someone help me understand - in the history of SC2, MVP, Maru, Innovation and Rogue have all won 4 GSL each, correct? And now Maru is on the verge of becoming the first ever 5-time GSL champion?

Since current G5L only counts Code S victories, Mvp and Innovation won 3 respectively. Rogue and Maru are at 4.


Gom counted mvp's gsl vs the world, but I can't remember why
Iskhiaro
Profile Joined March 2011
Great Britain11 Posts
July 28 2022 12:40 GMT
#13
Thanks for this write up. I hope hero finally wins this for protoss!
Beelzebub1
Profile Joined May 2015
1004 Posts
July 28 2022 13:07 GMT
#14
I'm a big Hero fan, but Maru has nerves of steel and seems to be able to turn it on when it matters most.

My heart believes in Hero, but my head thinks Maru
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States260 Posts
July 28 2022 13:27 GMT
#15
I have dreamed about this twice. Maru wins 4:1, with hero winning the second map.
jodljodl
Profile Joined October 2016
163 Posts
July 28 2022 13:50 GMT
#16
i don't have a clue who wins this.
Always when i start to think about it, i think herO's gonna take it playing phenomenal. But in the next moment i am starting to doubt: It's maru and well,... it's maru. He'll probably simply win.
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TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
July 28 2022 14:05 GMT
#17
herO needs to win this for Aiur

G5L belongs to Rogue only
loeblix
Profile Joined September 2016
18 Posts
July 28 2022 14:35 GMT
#18
Go herO.

But it's gonna be an easy win for Maru sadly.
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
July 28 2022 14:40 GMT
#19
Just hoping for some good games and a Maru win.

Maru speed running another toss would usually be cool but I quite like herO so i wouldnt want to see that (similar to when he destroyed my boy Zest)
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33369 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-28 15:17:19
July 28 2022 15:17 GMT
#20
Ionno that speed-run Maru exists anymore in 2022. His micro is definitely declined from the days when he 1v1'd Adepts with Reapers for fun.

Still think he'll win in long games tho.
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uselless
Profile Joined April 2021
92 Posts
July 28 2022 15:28 GMT
#21
On July 28 2022 16:59 tigera6 wrote:
So because Maru changed team, they will give him a new G5L trophy if he win right? Not the one shown in the picture with JinAir team name.

Show nested quote +
On July 28 2022 16:43 XDEKSDEEXD wrote:
Someone help me understand - in the history of SC2, MVP, Maru, Innovation and Rogue have all won 4 GSL each, correct? And now Maru is on the verge of becoming the first ever 5-time GSL champion?

Yes, except that Inno "only" won 3 GSL code S iirc.


I think they've had to make three new G5L trophies for Maru, one for Jin Air, one for Team NV, and now one for Onsyde Gaming

Also, MVP had one from a tournament that was similar to GSL vs The World, so tbh, he should technically only have 3 Code S's like Innovation
maru :D
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
313 Posts
July 28 2022 15:37 GMT
#22
Rooting for Hero, but i think maru is literally the worst match up on earth for him right now. I think he'd do better against Serral honestly.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
July 28 2022 15:45 GMT
#23
I have absolutely no choice but to cheer as hard as possible for herO in this. For the honor of Protoss; for the honor of returning military players; and also because he's one of the best and most entertaining players in a long time, and has played a big role in making Protoss more successful and PvZ a ridiculously fun matchup to watch again.

However, I do have to acknowledge that he is emphatically the underdog here.

Still, I also have a soft spot for underdogs, so that's really another reason to cheer for herO.

herO fighting!!!
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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3375 Posts
July 28 2022 16:03 GMT
#24
^ spot on, imo
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RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-28 18:02:51
July 28 2022 17:47 GMT
#25
Maru has an OSL in 2013 S1 over Innovation and Rain. It was populated by 2012 S5 players and populated into 2013 S2, IIRC. I'm fairly certain it was a GSL but in name only? It had a different Korean cast and tastosis used chobra because be worked for OSL?
veniss
Profile Joined August 2018
75 Posts
July 28 2022 20:08 GMT
#26
On one hand: As P&W wrote, I would like to see the G5L awarded in my lifetime.
On the other: herO returning from military and winning GSL is a bigger feel good storyline.

Can't wait for the match.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 28 2022 22:10 GMT
#27
It's been a while since the last time I screw my other obligations to watch SC2, but this might just be the day.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10062 Posts
July 29 2022 00:35 GMT
#28
Great preview! thanks!
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
July 29 2022 02:36 GMT
#29
On July 29 2022 05:08 veniss wrote:
On one hand: As P&W wrote, I would like to see the G5L awarded in my lifetime.


Seems inevitable as long as the tournament keeps going. It's not like these players are getting replaced by newer talent.

Honestly, I said this when Maru won his 4th GSL too, but he's past the point where the number getting bigger means anything to me. He's already achieved maximum impressiveness for me.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 29 2022 03:00 GMT
#30
On July 29 2022 11:36 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2022 05:08 veniss wrote:
On one hand: As P&W wrote, I would like to see the G5L awarded in my lifetime.


Seems inevitable as long as the tournament keeps going. It's not like these players are getting replaced by newer talent.

Honestly, I said this when Maru won his 4th GSL too, but he's past the point where the number getting bigger means anything to me. He's already achieved maximum impressiveness for me.


See that's why Maru need to win tomorrow, so that when Rogue does it I can say it's meaningless and that everyone has it these days
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SunTurtle
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
156 Posts
July 29 2022 03:58 GMT
#31
On July 29 2022 02:47 RatzBarcode wrote:
Maru has an OSL in 2013 S1 over Innovation and Rain. It was populated by 2012 S5 players and populated into 2013 S2, IIRC. I'm fairly certain it was a GSL but in name only? It had a different Korean cast and tastosis used chobra because be worked for OSL?


i've always considered maru as 5x starleague winner in that sense for this reason as well but as far as Code S champions i understand why people consider him 4x
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4405 Posts
July 29 2022 05:33 GMT
#32
On July 29 2022 12:58 SunTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2022 02:47 RatzBarcode wrote:
Maru has an OSL in 2013 S1 over Innovation and Rain. It was populated by 2012 S5 players and populated into 2013 S2, IIRC. I'm fairly certain it was a GSL but in name only? It had a different Korean cast and tastosis used chobra because be worked for OSL?


i've always considered maru as 5x starleague winner in that sense for this reason as well but as far as Code S champions i understand why people consider him 4x


He's also won an SSL so he's a 6 time starleague champ. 4 time GSL.
pandorasheep
Profile Joined February 2022
73 Posts
July 29 2022 07:26 GMT
#33
Whos Life?
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1670 Posts
July 29 2022 07:36 GMT
#34
herO 4-2
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
WarDogLSD
Profile Joined July 2022
1 Post
July 29 2022 07:59 GMT
#35
Maru will win this for sure. He's so much better than herO. Sorry, but I've always been a Maru fanboy. So gogo! Maru and gl hf!
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
July 29 2022 08:05 GMT
#36
Codeeeeeee S!
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samAel1
Profile Joined October 2019
Poland26 Posts
July 29 2022 08:05 GMT
#37
Thats my birthday, herO, please! You are my true herO! GOGO!
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
July 29 2022 08:15 GMT
#38
I haven't watched GSL live for ages, looking forward to this, hope works doesnt get busy!
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SunTurtle
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
156 Posts
July 29 2022 10:08 GMT
#39
On July 29 2022 14:33 JJH777 wrote:
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On July 29 2022 12:58 SunTurtle wrote:
On July 29 2022 02:47 RatzBarcode wrote:
Maru has an OSL in 2013 S1 over Innovation and Rain. It was populated by 2012 S5 players and populated into 2013 S2, IIRC. I'm fairly certain it was a GSL but in name only? It had a different Korean cast and tastosis used chobra because be worked for OSL?


i've always considered maru as 5x starleague winner in that sense for this reason as well but as far as Code S champions i understand why people consider him 4x


He's also won an SSL so he's a 6 time starleague champ. 4 time GSL.


yeah but unlike the OSL that was sort of a second tier starleague that was going on at the same time as a Code S with a smaller prize pool and no real pedigree before or after that. Still obviously a great trophy for his cabinet but I don't personally count that on the same tier as the other ones.. but at this point its splitting hairs a bit
samAel1
Profile Joined October 2019
Poland26 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-29 10:36:06
July 29 2022 10:35 GMT
#40
herO is incredible today, wish you best of luck, smash terran once again!
samÆl
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
July 29 2022 11:25 GMT
#41
herO on the verge
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
July 29 2022 11:56 GMT
#42
Finally a Protoss GSL win, gratz herO
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
July 29 2022 11:57 GMT
#43
GG
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661
Profile Joined May 2018
71 Posts
July 29 2022 12:00 GMT
#44
well played!
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4405 Posts
July 29 2022 17:56 GMT
#45
On July 29 2022 19:08 SunTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2022 14:33 JJH777 wrote:
On July 29 2022 12:58 SunTurtle wrote:
On July 29 2022 02:47 RatzBarcode wrote:
Maru has an OSL in 2013 S1 over Innovation and Rain. It was populated by 2012 S5 players and populated into 2013 S2, IIRC. I'm fairly certain it was a GSL but in name only? It had a different Korean cast and tastosis used chobra because be worked for OSL?


i've always considered maru as 5x starleague winner in that sense for this reason as well but as far as Code S champions i understand why people consider him 4x


He's also won an SSL so he's a 6 time starleague champ. 4 time GSL.


yeah but unlike the OSL that was sort of a second tier starleague that was going on at the same time as a Code S with a smaller prize pool and no real pedigree before or after that. Still obviously a great trophy for his cabinet but I don't personally count that on the same tier as the other ones.. but at this point its splitting hairs a bit


Prize for first place was the same. The vast majority of the prize pool difference was just because SSL only paid top 16 whereas GSL paid top 32. GSL total prize pool was a lot lower back then.

They were both offline, prep based, events with similar formats and all the best KR in attendance. There is no reason to rate them very differently.
TossHeroes
Profile Joined February 2022
281 Posts
July 29 2022 19:35 GMT
#46
On July 29 2022 19:08 SunTurtle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2022 14:33 JJH777 wrote:
On July 29 2022 12:58 SunTurtle wrote:
On July 29 2022 02:47 RatzBarcode wrote:
Maru has an OSL in 2013 S1 over Innovation and Rain. It was populated by 2012 S5 players and populated into 2013 S2, IIRC. I'm fairly certain it was a GSL but in name only? It had a different Korean cast and tastosis used chobra because be worked for OSL?


i've always considered maru as 5x starleague winner in that sense for this reason as well but as far as Code S champions i understand why people consider him 4x


He's also won an SSL so he's a 6 time starleague champ. 4 time GSL.


yeah but unlike the OSL that was sort of a second tier starleague that was going on at the same time as a Code S with a smaller prize pool and no real pedigree before or after that. Still obviously a great trophy for his cabinet but I don't personally count that on the same tier as the other ones.. but at this point its splitting hairs a bit


Agree

Similar to how the current Code S is the tier B tournament

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