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ASUS ROG Online: Showdown of Ultimate Destiny

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ASUS ROG Online: Showdown of Ultimate Destiny

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November 26th, 2020 04:52 GMT

ASUS ROG Online 2020: Showdown of Ultimate Destiny

by Wax

The big story of DreamHack Masters: Winter was Korea's humiliating performance, with four out of six KR representatives failing to survive the group stages, reigning Code S champion TY getting swept by Neeb in the RO8, and only Stats salvaging some pride by reaching the finals. It was Korea's most disastrous event since GSL vs. The World 2019, which featured the all European final of Serral vs Elazer.

In a certain sense, DH Winter was emblematic of the times, where Korea has lost its status as the singular, uber-dominant nation of StarCraft II. Yet, it's also not a result one should read too deeply into. A month before DH Winter, we saw King of Battles conclude in an all-Korean final, with the slumping Cure eliminating both Reynor and Serral on his way to second place finish. It's undeniable that the Korea-World skill gap has gradually closed, when you look at the big picture over the last few years. But the data points of individual tournaments are scattered around wildly, and one should realize that neither KoB nor DH Winter were referendums on the overall state of competitive SC2.

Boooooring.

Who am I to tell you NOT to consume StarCraft II as a series of short term narratives where the thing that just happened is also the most important thing that's ever happened? I mean, c'mon. This is sports, where there's no downside overreacting to events—in fact, recency bias is what makes it fun (this may be the answer to why Tastosis always seem to be enjoying themselves so immensely).

And thus, I can say with my tongue firmly in cheek, while also being 100% serious, that ASUS ROG Online is the climactic battle of ultimate destiny. Korea was victorious at King of Battles, the World triumphed at DreamHack Winter—Will the reeling Korean empire take its revenge? Or will the united of heroes of the world continue to dismantle their tyrannical reign? This is the deciding bout, the one for ALL of then international marbles.

Until TSL6, anyway.


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ASUS ROG Online 2020


The European Triumvirate

Reynor and Serral are the top candidates to win another title for the non-Koreans, having taken all the major global tournament wins for foreigners this year (Serral winning DH Summer and Winter, Reynor winning DH Fall and the DouYu Cup).

Clem might have similar odds to win a solely European tournament, but lingering questions about his TvT and TvP remain in global tournaments. The aggregate stats say Clem is decent vs Korean Protosses and horrid vs Terrans—but regardless of those big picture numbers, he's generally struggled to get by them in bigger, more richly prized events.

What makes Clem intriguing, however, is how steadily he has improved from tournament to tournament. Over the course of the year, he's gone from a player who was clearly a tier below Serral and Reynor to a player who might even have a slight edge. In that context, it's easy to see his DHW performance—a group stage victory over Maru and narrow 2-3 defeat to Stats—as a minor milestone on the way to an inevitable breakthrough against the top Koreans. There aren't any easy outs for him at ASUS ROG, with ByuN, INnoVation, and Maru representing Terran, and Stats and PartinG holding it down for Protoss. Given how Clem has progressively overcome all the obstacles set before him this year, this might be the tournament where he scores a major win against one of those players in a BO5+ series.

Koreans wHo ArEn'T TrYinG*

For the Korean faction, the stand-out player is Stats by default, who comes in as the DH winter runner-up. For GSL fans, Stats' finals against Serral was was encouraging and deflating at the same time. Stats managed to take a comprehensive late-game victory—something that seemed completely impossible just a year ago. However, Serral responded by simply demolishing Stats with Hydra-bane in the mid-game, showing his that his ZvP mastery spans across all the phases of a match.

In general, Stats has been worryingly inconsistent as of late. While his peak-level play is still championship tier, he's become oddly prone to throwing games—in GSL and DreamHack, he was just a map away blowing what had seemed like one-sided wins against INnoVation and Clem, respectively.

It really seems like we'll just have to wait and see which of the big, brand name players (including Stats) happen to be in good form over the weekend. Maru's dominance in 2018 has really spoiled people in terms of what to reasonably expect from top-tier Koreans—the inconsistency of an INnoVation or a Rogue is probably much more 'normal' that we'd like.

What makes things all the more frustrating for fans is that these players give you few hints of when they're going to play at their peak level. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I can't really explain how INnoVation came out of nowhere to take $100,000 off Serral at WESG 2018 (give it your best shot, 'I watch every online cup'-tier TL.net users). Likewise, there wasn't much hype around Rogue before he hit the jackpot at IEM Katowice 2020. There's just a strong "you never know" factor with Stats, Maru, Rogue, and INnoVation.

*[C'mon, guys. Since when did "the players didn't try" become a more popular explanation for results than "StarCraft is hard and other players are also good."?]

Mid-tier madness

While the SC2 community tends to focuses on the championship picture when discussing the Korea-World rivalry, I've generally believed the more important measure of parity is the performance of 'middle-class' players. Historically, the mid-tier Koreans have mopped the floor with their counterparts in the foreign scene, and they've been far more capable of punching above their weight and making a deep tournament run. King of Battles continued this trend, with HeroMarine, Nice, ShoWTimE, uThermal, and MaNa getting eliminated in the group stages, while Zoun made a surprise run to the playoffs. However, other tournaments have seen the less-heralded foreigners make up ground, be it Astrea's PvP heroics in Dreamhack Winter, or Elazer and uThermal's top six runs in TSL5. How will things pan out this time around?

The group of Koreans who made it through the qualifiers is quite scary—if you're wondering why Zest, Cure, Dark, and Trap aren't playing, it's because of these guys: DongRaeGu, ByuN, PartinG, and Solar. It wouldn't be surprising to see any of these players make a run to the finals, but I'm particularly interested in seeing how far along ByuN is in his post-military recovery. Though the infamous online grinder is putting up a solid 70% win-rate in such competitions, his Code S RO16 run wasn't particularly notable.

Meanwhile, the non-Serral/Reynor/Clem foreigners include Harstem, MaxPax, Neeb, SpeCial, and ShoWTimE. Obviously, Neeb is the player who stands out most here, with the American Protoss making a surprise top four run at DreamHack Winter where defeated Clem, TY, and Armani along the way.

But I'm more curious in seeing how the Europeans do—with the DH Season Finals format only awarding four seeds to Europe, it's been awfully hard for the other European players to get a chance to shine in high-stakes global competition. The might of the Reynor-Serral-Clem triumvirate by itself doesn't warrant more European representation in the EPT system—the other players have to demonstrate their prowess as well.




Writer: Wax
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 26 2020 06:34 GMT
#2
Now "The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny" is one song I haven't thought about in more than a decade.
shadow4723
Profile Joined October 2018
87 Posts
November 26 2020 07:12 GMT
#3
Before the rise of Serral, it was fair to "focus on the championship picture" when comparing KR with foreigners. Now that this gap has been bridged, I have also been focused on the mid-tier KR - mid-tier foreigner gap, which I think is still veeery KR favored.
Great read! Thanks for the article!
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
November 26 2020 07:51 GMT
#4
Super hyped to see how Byun will fair
rly ?
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 26 2020 08:31 GMT
#5
On November 26 2020 16:12 shadow4723 wrote:
Before the rise of Serral, it was fair to "focus on the championship picture" when comparing KR with foreigners. Now that this gap has been bridged, I have also been focused on the mid-tier KR - mid-tier foreigner gap, which I think is still veeery KR favored.
Great read! Thanks for the article!

Yes, I also agree on the take that mid Tier v mid tier is more important right now. I also agree that the gap there is still bigger as well, but I think it is also closing.
MaxPax
DevilDriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany77 Posts
November 26 2020 08:54 GMT
#6
I will be cheering for Byun, but he sure got a tough group....
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4008 Posts
November 26 2020 09:52 GMT
#7
The event is not showing in the list of the upcoming events? ->
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Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil261 Posts
November 26 2020 10:08 GMT
#8
On November 26 2020 15:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Now "The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny" is one song I haven't thought about in more than a decade.


Its sounds like a song from Rick Wakeman
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
November 26 2020 10:19 GMT
#9
Rooting as hell for MaxPax!!!
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 26 2020 11:28 GMT
#10
Gogo Byun, Serral and Neeb.
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
November 26 2020 12:06 GMT
#11
Can't waittttt
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2718 Posts
November 26 2020 14:32 GMT
#12
Ok, Group A and C starts at 9pm for Koreans, but group B and D starts at 2am for them. There is no chance in hell that this won't affect the Korean performance on top of battling with lag. Until these online tournaments provide a better start time for koreans, 10pm at the latest, it's hard to compare results across regions. I noticed the King of Battle tournament had an earlier start time at least for the group stage. Like why can't we have a tournament where the europeans start playing at 2am? We've already had like 5 online tournaments where the Koreans had to do that Even if they play ahead of time and we broadcast replays due to scheduling, it kills the hype but is at least more fair
very illegal and very uncool
Philippe
Profile Joined October 2020
351 Posts
November 26 2020 14:49 GMT
#13
On November 26 2020 23:32 argonautdice wrote:
Ok, Group A and C starts at 9pm for Koreans, but group B and D starts at 2am for them. There is no chance in hell that this won't affect the Korean performance on top of battling with lag. Until these online tournaments provide a better start time for koreans, 10pm at the latest, it's hard to compare results across regions. I noticed the King of Battle tournament had an earlier start time at least for the group stage. Like why can't we have a tournament where the europeans start playing at 2am? We've already had like 5 online tournaments where the Koreans had to do that Even if they play ahead of time and we broadcast replays due to scheduling, it kills the hype but is at least more fair


The organizer has the final say about it. There's no standardized timezone start.
I'm just a cynical video game enjoyer who is probably unfazed by many business dealings many would find utterly distasteful, while not strictly illegal by the law as seen in a general sense in the world.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-26 14:56:20
November 26 2020 14:52 GMT
#14
On November 26 2020 23:32 argonautdice wrote:
Ok, Group A and C starts at 9pm for Koreans, but group B and D starts at 2am for them. There is no chance in hell that this won't affect the Korean performance on top of battling with lag. Until these online tournaments provide a better start time for koreans, 10pm at the latest, it's hard to compare results across regions. I noticed the King of Battle tournament had an earlier start time at least for the group stage. Like why can't we have a tournament where the europeans start playing at 2am? We've already had like 5 online tournaments where the Koreans had to do that Even if they play ahead of time and we broadcast replays due to scheduling, it kills the hype but is at least more fair

Group A Starts at 1pm for MaxPax, who still goes to school, no way he could participate if this was even remotely earlier.

On November 26 2020 23:49 Philippe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2020 23:32 argonautdice wrote:
Ok, Group A and C starts at 9pm for Koreans, but group B and D starts at 2am for them. There is no chance in hell that this won't affect the Korean performance on top of battling with lag. Until these online tournaments provide a better start time for koreans, 10pm at the latest, it's hard to compare results across regions. I noticed the King of Battle tournament had an earlier start time at least for the group stage. Like why can't we have a tournament where the europeans start playing at 2am? We've already had like 5 online tournaments where the Koreans had to do that Even if they play ahead of time and we broadcast replays due to scheduling, it kills the hype but is at least more fair


The organizer has the final say about it. There's no standardized timezone start.


Also the main reason probably is that viewership is just way better if its convenient for European viewers, as there is a way bigger viewerbase in EU than in Korea.
MaxPax
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
November 26 2020 16:25 GMT
#15
On November 26 2020 15:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Now "The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny" is one song I haven't thought about in more than a decade.

The last time I listened to that Wings of Liberty was a month old.
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tommeyliang
Profile Joined December 2015
13 Posts
November 26 2020 17:43 GMT
#16
Very well-written! Excited to watch this tournament. Going to be epic.
MrShankly
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom371 Posts
November 26 2020 19:41 GMT
#17
ShoWTimE Underrated
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4927 Posts
November 26 2020 22:13 GMT
#18
Amazing write up! :D :D
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midhigh
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-26 22:38:41
November 26 2020 22:37 GMT
#19
I am really sad for Trap and Zest, i really like watching them play. When they are on, they can get to any final. Also Dark this year seems like a zerg Bunny. No suprise at all that he did not make it to this tournament.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4406 Posts
November 26 2020 23:41 GMT
#20
On November 27 2020 07:37 midhigh wrote:
I am really sad for Trap and Zest, i really like watching them play. When they are on, they can get to any final. Also Dark this year seems like a zerg Bunny. No suprise at all that he did not make it to this tournament.


Dark made the ST finals and IEM/GSL top 8s (On both occasions eliminated by the eventual champ). He got to the ro16 of the other GSL seasons. That's way more than Bunny has done in even the best year of his entire career. Dark has had a meh year by just standards. but he's still a really good player. He's also barely played in anything this year because he doesn't like cross server stuff. This is one of the only online cross server events he attempted to qualify for all year.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
November 27 2020 01:38 GMT
#21
TY still on BW honeymoon?
gg no re thx
IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
November 27 2020 03:26 GMT
#22
I feel like Group A is by far the easiest, but thats just because all the others are super stacked :D
More good content, cant wait!
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
November 27 2020 04:22 GMT
#23
As someone who has said "The Koreans aren't trying" it's not that they aren't trying it just seems like they lack passion now. Always seems like Clem/Serral/Reynor want it more than them, which I really do think matters. And that's only how it seems, maybe that's not the case. I hope it isn't anyhow....
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 27 2020 05:45 GMT
#24
On November 27 2020 08:41 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2020 07:37 midhigh wrote:
I am really sad for Trap and Zest, i really like watching them play. When they are on, they can get to any final. Also Dark this year seems like a zerg Bunny. No suprise at all that he did not make it to this tournament.


Dark made the ST finals and IEM/GSL top 8s (On both occasions eliminated by the eventual champ). He got to the ro16 of the other GSL seasons. That's way more than Bunny has done in even the best year of his entire career. Dark has had a meh year by just standards. but he's still a really good player. He's also barely played in anything this year because he doesn't like cross server stuff. This is one of the only online cross server events he attempted to qualify for all year.

Also he was injuried for like 3 month and couldn t practise as much as usual
MaxPax
Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
November 27 2020 06:29 GMT
#25
On November 27 2020 14:45 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2020 08:41 JJH777 wrote:
On November 27 2020 07:37 midhigh wrote:
I am really sad for Trap and Zest, i really like watching them play. When they are on, they can get to any final. Also Dark this year seems like a zerg Bunny. No suprise at all that he did not make it to this tournament.


Dark made the ST finals and IEM/GSL top 8s (On both occasions eliminated by the eventual champ). He got to the ro16 of the other GSL seasons. That's way more than Bunny has done in even the best year of his entire career. Dark has had a meh year by just standards. but he's still a really good player. He's also barely played in anything this year because he doesn't like cross server stuff. This is one of the only online cross server events he attempted to qualify for all year.

Also he was injuried for like 3 month and couldn t practise as much as usual

Physically unable to play is no excuse to place worse than usual. If you are good you'll get top 4 in GSL without showing up. TY didn't show up to his casting job and still made 2 code S finals this year. He's a prime example of not showing up for GSL and place top 4.
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-27 07:43:53
November 27 2020 07:41 GMT
#26
On November 27 2020 15:29 Drfilip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2020 14:45 dbRic1203 wrote:
On November 27 2020 08:41 JJH777 wrote:
On November 27 2020 07:37 midhigh wrote:
I am really sad for Trap and Zest, i really like watching them play. When they are on, they can get to any final. Also Dark this year seems like a zerg Bunny. No suprise at all that he did not make it to this tournament.


Dark made the ST finals and IEM/GSL top 8s (On both occasions eliminated by the eventual champ). He got to the ro16 of the other GSL seasons. That's way more than Bunny has done in even the best year of his entire career. Dark has had a meh year by just standards. but he's still a really good player. He's also barely played in anything this year because he doesn't like cross server stuff. This is one of the only online cross server events he attempted to qualify for all year.

Also he was injuried for like 3 month and couldn t practise as much as usual

Physically unable to play is no excuse to place worse than usual. If you are good you'll get top 4 in GSL without showing up. TY didn't show up to his casting job and still made 2 code S finals this year. He's a prime example of not showing up for GSL and place top 4.


This is just wrong. Top 4 GSL is not guaranteed for anyone.
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Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa975 Posts
November 27 2020 08:02 GMT
#27
Showtime has my sympathy, if he survives his group, he ca n do anything :D
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ballehatten
Profile Joined January 2007
Denmark56 Posts
November 27 2020 08:31 GMT
#28
Could someone add ASUS ROG to Upcoming Events in the right sidebar ? The event deserve as much hype as possible.
SpaWnvERtiGO
Profile Joined November 2016
110 Posts
November 27 2020 11:57 GMT
#29
On November 27 2020 15:29 Drfilip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2020 14:45 dbRic1203 wrote:
On November 27 2020 08:41 JJH777 wrote:
On November 27 2020 07:37 midhigh wrote:
I am really sad for Trap and Zest, i really like watching them play. When they are on, they can get to any final. Also Dark this year seems like a zerg Bunny. No suprise at all that he did not make it to this tournament.


Dark made the ST finals and IEM/GSL top 8s (On both occasions eliminated by the eventual champ). He got to the ro16 of the other GSL seasons. That's way more than Bunny has done in even the best year of his entire career. Dark has had a meh year by just standards. but he's still a really good player. He's also barely played in anything this year because he doesn't like cross server stuff. This is one of the only online cross server events he attempted to qualify for all year.

Also he was injuried for like 3 month and couldn t practise as much as usual

Physically unable to play is no excuse to place worse than usual. If you are good you'll get top 4 in GSL without showing up. TY didn't show up to his casting job and still made 2 code S finals this year. He's a prime example of not showing up for GSL and place top 4.



What? Lol.... joke, right?
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
November 27 2020 12:41 GMT
#30
Will be interesting to see if any of the Koreans can take down the current 3 best players in the world in Serral, Reynor and Clem.

Its crazy to think the podium is all outside of Korea at the moment.

I predict TY will join them in the RO4.
Elche
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland170 Posts
November 27 2020 13:40 GMT
#31
So whose idea was it to have two hosts and have Wardi solo cast this?
Casters can't be so expensive that you couldn't have had two of each if you felt you needed two host/analysts.
Like come on, there are talent there who would cast this for a Cheese board.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15949 Posts
November 27 2020 13:55 GMT
#32
On November 27 2020 13:22 TentativePanda wrote:
As someone who has said "The Koreans aren't trying" it's not that they aren't trying it just seems like they lack passion now. Always seems like Clem/Serral/Reynor want it more than them, which I really do think matters. And that's only how it seems, maybe that's not the case. I hope it isn't anyhow....

most of the koreans play professionally for over 10 years now. No surprise they start to lose motivation and get burned out.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55544 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-27 14:47:10
November 27 2020 14:46 GMT
#33
On November 27 2020 21:41 Dave4 wrote:
Will be interesting to see if any of the Koreans can take down the current 3 best players in the world in Serral, Reynor and Clem.

Its crazy to think the podium is all outside of Korea at the moment.

I predict TY will join them in the RO4.

It would be impressive for TY to make Ro4 in this tournament he chose not to play in.
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Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
November 27 2020 21:41 GMT
#34
On November 27 2020 23:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2020 21:41 Dave4 wrote:
Will be interesting to see if any of the Koreans can take down the current 3 best players in the world in Serral, Reynor and Clem.

Its crazy to think the podium is all outside of Korea at the moment.

I predict TY will join them in the RO4.

It would be impressive for TY to make Ro4 in this tournament he chose not to play in.

Last i heard he was playing it i see he has withdrawn now. In that case Dark
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4406 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-27 22:49:44
November 27 2020 22:49 GMT
#35
On November 28 2020 06:41 Dave4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2020 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On November 27 2020 21:41 Dave4 wrote:
Will be interesting to see if any of the Koreans can take down the current 3 best players in the world in Serral, Reynor and Clem.

Its crazy to think the podium is all outside of Korea at the moment.

I predict TY will join them in the RO4.

It would be impressive for TY to make Ro4 in this tournament he chose not to play in.

Last i heard he was playing it i see he has withdrawn now. In that case Dark


Much like everything else you say everything in this post is wrong.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55544 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-28 00:06:52
November 28 2020 00:02 GMT
#36
On November 28 2020 06:41 Dave4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2020 23:46 Elentos wrote:
On November 27 2020 21:41 Dave4 wrote:
Will be interesting to see if any of the Koreans can take down the current 3 best players in the world in Serral, Reynor and Clem.

Its crazy to think the podium is all outside of Korea at the moment.

I predict TY will join them in the RO4.

It would be impressive for TY to make Ro4 in this tournament he chose not to play in.

Last i heard he was playing it i see he has withdrawn now. In that case Dark

He hasn't withdrawn either, withdrawing would require him to have accepted his invite at any point but he refused from the beginning. Maybe you have the invitee list for ASUS confused with the one for TSL since he accepted that one.
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SpaWnvERtiGO
Profile Joined November 2016
110 Posts
November 28 2020 05:28 GMT
#37
On November 27 2020 23:46 Elentos wrote:
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On November 27 2020 21:41 Dave4 wrote:
Will be interesting to see if any of the Koreans can take down the current 3 best players in the world in Serral, Reynor and Clem.

Its crazy to think the podium is all outside of Korea at the moment.

I predict TY will join them in the RO4.

It would be impressive for TY to make Ro4 in this tournament he chose not to play in.




What did Clem win again?
TerranOwnsAll
Profile Joined January 2014
359 Posts
November 28 2020 06:00 GMT
#38
Can anyone send me a link to English vods for this tournament>??
Man, I miss how dominant seige tanks were in SC1. Wish they would bring that back in SC2
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
November 28 2020 06:59 GMT
#39
On November 28 2020 15:00 TerranOwnsAll wrote:
Can anyone send me a link to English vods for this tournament>??


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/817285258

There you go; 12 hours of SC2
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Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
861 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-28 10:02:08
November 28 2020 10:00 GMT
#40
On November 27 2020 22:55 Charoisaur wrote:
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On November 27 2020 13:22 TentativePanda wrote:
As someone who has said "The Koreans aren't trying" it's not that they aren't trying it just seems like they lack passion now. Always seems like Clem/Serral/Reynor want it more than them, which I really do think matters. And that's only how it seems, maybe that's not the case. I hope it isn't anyhow....

most of the koreans play professionally for over 10 years now. No surprise they start to lose motivation and get burned out.


10 years ? TY played since 15 years ... The game isn t enought macro oriented in terms of army movement.

SC:BW still gives passion over 20 years, the problem isn t coming from players, it s more about the game which demands

more mecanics than strategy
tibiana12
Profile Joined November 2020
1 Post
November 28 2020 10:45 GMT
#41
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4927 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-28 12:04:19
November 28 2020 12:03 GMT
#42
isnt Kev talking about 2015 Maru? 2020 Maru is all about lategame and turtle


edit: shit wrong thread!
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TerranOwnsAll
Profile Joined January 2014
359 Posts
November 28 2020 12:07 GMT
#43
On November 28 2020 15:00 TerranOwnsAll wrote:
Can anyone send me a link to English vods for this tournament>??


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/817285258

There you go; 12 hours of SC2


Hey Thanks ShoKim!
Man, I miss how dominant seige tanks were in SC1. Wish they would bring that back in SC2
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-28 21:37:52
November 28 2020 21:34 GMT
#44
We really need a ranking between sleeping stats, sleeping inno and sleeping DRG.
I bet if they aren't this sleepy, serral might be the only foreign player in RO8 or we may have an all korean RO8
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 28 2020 23:38 GMT
#45
On November 29 2020 06:34 Howard_Kao wrote:
We really need a ranking between sleeping stats, sleeping inno and sleeping DRG.
I bet if they aren't this sleepy, serral might be the only foreign player in RO8 or we may have an all korean RO8


Surely DRG being 6-0d by Serral is easily explained by him being sleepy, right?
At a glance, the last international tournament with a full korean ro8 was BlizzCon 2015, during HoTS...
Bluejava
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden135 Posts
November 29 2020 11:11 GMT
#46
How does the online tournies work does anybody know? I mean do they play on equally bad servers? How much ping do they play with for example Maru vs Harstem
"I've learned one thing for sure: Life is random and chaotic. Trying to put things into a pattern will only temporarily solve the problem. Once you embrace the madness, it will stop feeling overwhelming."
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55544 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-29 11:15:18
November 29 2020 11:13 GMT
#47
On November 29 2020 20:11 Bluejava wrote:
How does the online tournies work does anybody know? I mean do they play on equally bad servers? How much ping do they play with for example Maru vs Harstem

They alternate between NA Central (better for EU) and NA West (better for KR) so it averages out to being roughly equally bad for both players.

Though as far as I know the NA server as a whole has become very messy and unstable for cross server play this year and people have had a lot of issues.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SickeL
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
110 Posts
November 29 2020 16:06 GMT
#48
So far, this tournament feels like reassertion of the Koreans
A wise man once said "Oppa Gangnam style."
zalem95
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru184 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-01 00:52:09
November 29 2020 23:23 GMT
#49
+ Show Spoiler +
The game 5 between Serral and Byun omg...
nothing special
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-01 00:51:48
December 01 2020 00:51 GMT
#50
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