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TSL6 - Qualifiers info (예선전 정보)

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InvictusRage
Profile Joined August 2011
United States230 Posts
December 03 2020 01:24 GMT
#24
Is no one streaming Vanya vs MaxPax?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
December 03 2020 07:01 GMT
#25
Results seem to suggest that anyone that wasnt expecting the obvious is already dead.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-03 09:14:28
December 03 2020 07:24 GMT
#26
Wondering Who did the seeding for NA. Scarlett wird 1st seed despite Neeb and Astrea also signed up is a pretty obvious mistake.
Can t be so hard to check (Wiki)ESL Pro Tour/2020/21/Standings
Especially when they know, they have to do it manually. Could easily just copy past the whole thing to an Excel sheet beforehand and use that for seeding.
E.: Ok seeding was done with global points only appearently. There is still no way that Scarlett is first seed with 105 Global points though.
E2.: ok double checked it. The seeding wasn t done with GLOBAL POINTS as they said, but with GLOBAL POINTS + KOREAN POINTS, giving Astrea, Scarlett and Special an advantage. If they would have don it according to the rules, they said, also Special wouldn t even have gotten the invite, but Showtime instead.

I gues thats also the reason why Zest got invited, because he has more GLOBAL POINTS than Inno, Trap or Stats.
I don t get why they invited TY then, as Inno has more GLOBAL POINTS than TY.

This is a complete mess so far. If the seeding is inconsistent, I get triggered, but most fans probably don t realy care. If the invites are inconsistent with the rules its quite a bit more serious.

I have an overview over the GLOBAL POINTS, that I ve done for this analysis. I would love to give that to the admins to help out to improve this tournament. So at least for the main tournament we get correct seeds for all the players.
MaxPax
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
December 03 2020 11:21 GMT
#27
On December 03 2020 16:24 dbRic1203 wrote:
Wondering Who did the seeding for NA. Scarlett wird 1st seed despite Neeb and Astrea also signed up is a pretty obvious mistake.


I'd love for someone to explain to me why the winner of NA SHOULD be granted an advantage. BTW check my country flair. There never seems to be a reason for it.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 03 2020 11:33 GMT
#28
On December 03 2020 20:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2020 16:24 dbRic1203 wrote:
Wondering Who did the seeding for NA. Scarlett wird 1st seed despite Neeb and Astrea also signed up is a pretty obvious mistake.


I'd love for someone to explain to me why the winner of NA SHOULD be granted an advantage. BTW check my country flair. There never seems to be a reason for it.

Sorry not sure what you re trying to say.
Also my post is pretty messy and not well structured at all, apollogies for that.
The seeding after Global points only should have been:
1 Neeb (279)
2 Astrea (233)
3 uThermal (222)
4 Nice (187)
5 Mana (119)
6 Harstem (113)
7 Scarlett (105)
8 Bly (93)
9 Drogo (79)
10 MaxPax (65)
[...]
MaxPax
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-03 11:50:53
December 03 2020 11:47 GMT
#29
On December 03 2020 20:33 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2020 20:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 03 2020 16:24 dbRic1203 wrote:
Wondering Who did the seeding for NA. Scarlett wird 1st seed despite Neeb and Astrea also signed up is a pretty obvious mistake.


I'd love for someone to explain to me why the winner of NA SHOULD be granted an advantage. BTW check my country flair. There never seems to be a reason for it.

Sorry not sure what you re trying to say.
Also my post is pretty messy and not well structured at all, apollogies for that.
The seeding after Global points only should have been:
1 Neeb (279)
2 Astrea (233)
3 uThermal (222)
4 Nice (187)
5 Mana (119)
6 Harstem (113)
7 Scarlett (105)
8 Bly (93)
9 Drogo (79)
10 MaxPax (65)
[...]

I believe the term usage got confused, IMO the TSL global means like the whole world, not everything except the Korea, because Korae isn't global enough and not on the globe So they added the Code S points Scarlett managed to achieve in Korea.

Edit> In the end GSL means GLOBAL Starcraft 2 League You can't me more global than that xD
(honestly, who's thinking about it when they're naming this?)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 03 2020 12:10 GMT
#30
On December 03 2020 20:47 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2020 20:33 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 03 2020 20:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 03 2020 16:24 dbRic1203 wrote:
Wondering Who did the seeding for NA. Scarlett wird 1st seed despite Neeb and Astrea also signed up is a pretty obvious mistake.


I'd love for someone to explain to me why the winner of NA SHOULD be granted an advantage. BTW check my country flair. There never seems to be a reason for it.

Sorry not sure what you re trying to say.
Also my post is pretty messy and not well structured at all, apollogies for that.
The seeding after Global points only should have been:
1 Neeb (279)
2 Astrea (233)
3 uThermal (222)
4 Nice (187)
5 Mana (119)
6 Harstem (113)
7 Scarlett (105)
8 Bly (93)
9 Drogo (79)
10 MaxPax (65)
[...]

I believe the term usage got confused, IMO the TSL global means like the whole world, not everything except the Korea, because Korae isn't global enough and not on the globe So they added the Code S points Scarlett managed to achieve in Korea.

Edit> In the end GSL means GLOBAL Starcraft 2 League You can't me more global than that xD
(honestly, who's thinking about it when they're naming this?)

No, they didn t use the Regional points for like EU or NA for the seeding, I checked that.
They used Global Points + Korea Points for the Foreign Seeding and who knows what for Korean seeding (but neither KR Points only, nor KR + World Points, nor World Points only)
I ve created a spreadsheet and compared it with the actuall seeding, nothing makes sense to me.
MaxPax
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 03 2020 12:18 GMT
#31
On December 03 2020 21:10 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2020 20:47 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 03 2020 20:33 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 03 2020 20:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 03 2020 16:24 dbRic1203 wrote:
Wondering Who did the seeding for NA. Scarlett wird 1st seed despite Neeb and Astrea also signed up is a pretty obvious mistake.


I'd love for someone to explain to me why the winner of NA SHOULD be granted an advantage. BTW check my country flair. There never seems to be a reason for it.

Sorry not sure what you re trying to say.
Also my post is pretty messy and not well structured at all, apollogies for that.
The seeding after Global points only should have been:
1 Neeb (279)
2 Astrea (233)
3 uThermal (222)
4 Nice (187)
5 Mana (119)
6 Harstem (113)
7 Scarlett (105)
8 Bly (93)
9 Drogo (79)
10 MaxPax (65)
[...]

I believe the term usage got confused, IMO the TSL global means like the whole world, not everything except the Korea, because Korae isn't global enough and not on the globe So they added the Code S points Scarlett managed to achieve in Korea.

Edit> In the end GSL means GLOBAL Starcraft 2 League You can't me more global than that xD
(honestly, who's thinking about it when they're naming this?)

No, they didn t use the Regional points for like EU or NA for the seeding, I checked that.
They used Global Points + Korea Points for the Foreign Seeding and who knows what for Korean seeding (but neither KR Points only, nor KR + World Points, nor World Points only)
I ve created a spreadsheet and compared it with the actuall seeding, nothing makes sense to me.

In case of Scarlett it's the global points + points from the Global SC2 League. Maybe they just grepped the results for the word Global
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-03 12:28:07
December 03 2020 12:27 GMT
#32
On December 03 2020 21:18 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2020 21:10 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 03 2020 20:47 deacon.frost wrote:
On December 03 2020 20:33 dbRic1203 wrote:
On December 03 2020 20:21 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 03 2020 16:24 dbRic1203 wrote:
Wondering Who did the seeding for NA. Scarlett wird 1st seed despite Neeb and Astrea also signed up is a pretty obvious mistake.


I'd love for someone to explain to me why the winner of NA SHOULD be granted an advantage. BTW check my country flair. There never seems to be a reason for it.

Sorry not sure what you re trying to say.
Also my post is pretty messy and not well structured at all, apollogies for that.
The seeding after Global points only should have been:
1 Neeb (279)
2 Astrea (233)
3 uThermal (222)
4 Nice (187)
5 Mana (119)
6 Harstem (113)
7 Scarlett (105)
8 Bly (93)
9 Drogo (79)
10 MaxPax (65)
[...]

I believe the term usage got confused, IMO the TSL global means like the whole world, not everything except the Korea, because Korae isn't global enough and not on the globe So they added the Code S points Scarlett managed to achieve in Korea.

Edit> In the end GSL means GLOBAL Starcraft 2 League You can't me more global than that xD
(honestly, who's thinking about it when they're naming this?)

No, they didn t use the Regional points for like EU or NA for the seeding, I checked that.
They used Global Points + Korea Points for the Foreign Seeding and who knows what for Korean seeding (but neither KR Points only, nor KR + World Points, nor World Points only)
I ve created a spreadsheet and compared it with the actuall seeding, nothing makes sense to me.

In case of Scarlett it's the global points + points from the Global SC2 League. Maybe they just grepped the results for the word Global

Well GSL awards Korea points per EPT rule book. But hey doing seeding for foreigner Qualifier via Korea Points sounds great to me

I gues Koreans can be lucky GSL is called Global SC2 League as to my understanding it helps the Korean Pros to delay their Militarry service, as they are representing Korea in a Global Competition
If it would be Korean SC2 league, it would be a mere National Championship, wich wouldn t allow them to further delay the enlistment. So its a great name for all means and purposes
MaxPax
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 02:18:45
December 04 2020 02:17 GMT
#33
MaNa coming so close to qualifying yet not qualifying is really tough given uThermal, Elazer and Lambo qualified.

Also it feels like Nice has really stepped it up over the past few months.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 04 2020 04:29 GMT
#34
On December 04 2020 11:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
MaNa coming so close to qualifying yet not qualifying is really tough given uThermal, Elazer and Lambo qualified.

Also it feels like Nice has really stepped it up over the past few months.

Friendly reminder that Nice almost qualified for Katowice Group stage. He s been pretty damn good the entire year
MaxPax
Totoro1
Profile Joined January 2019
25 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 13:43:29
December 04 2020 13:43 GMT
#35
I couldn't watch the Korean qualifiers, but is the liquipedia page accurate? Stats, Trap, DRG and Dark all qualified by only playing one BO3? The third qualifier is a 12 players qualifier with 4 people qualifying!

Are there so few players in Korea that a qualifier for a big tournament like TSL cannot get more than 12 players? Or was it some issue with scheduling or Korean not caring about the tournament? There was only 4 Koreans already qualified, does it mean that the Korean region only has ~20 active players?
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 14:00:01
December 04 2020 13:59 GMT
#36
On December 04 2020 22:43 Totoro1 wrote:
I couldn't watch the Korean qualifiers, but is the liquipedia page accurate? Stats, Trap, DRG and Dark all qualified by only playing one BO3? The third qualifier is a 12 players qualifier with 4 people qualifying!

Are there so few players in Korea that a qualifier for a big tournament like TSL cannot get more than 12 players? Or was it some issue with scheduling or Korean not caring about the tournament? There was only 4 Koreans already qualified, does it mean that the Korean region only has ~20 active players?


Liquipedia always only shows the end part of these qualifiers, especially for eu and na there are dozens of matches they always have to cut out which are not shown. But yeah in this case just the 13 signups and 12 of which played. This is ofc already the 3rd qualifier and some koreans were invited but it still aint much for sure.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 04 2020 14:05 GMT
#37
On December 04 2020 22:43 Totoro1 wrote:
I couldn't watch the Korean qualifiers, but is the liquipedia page accurate? Stats, Trap, DRG and Dark all qualified by only playing one BO3? The third qualifier is a 12 players qualifier with 4 people qualifying!

Are there so few players in Korea that a qualifier for a big tournament like TSL cannot get more than 12 players? Or was it some issue with scheduling or Korean not caring about the tournament? There was only 4 Koreans already qualified, does it mean that the Korean region only has ~20 active players?

KR qualifier 1 had 18
KR qualifier 2 had 17 and
KR qualifier 3 had 13
signups per official breacket.
Notable Koreans missing from all 3 qualifiers are:
sOs, Hurricane, Teaja I think.
Most Korean amateurs don t even sign up for these it seems.

But also the last foreigner Qualifier was pretty empty with "only" 43 signups, wich is way lower than the average turnout on Open Cups..
MaxPax
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
December 04 2020 14:06 GMT
#38
Ultimately the Korean scene isn't much more than 20 players at this point so when you have people invited, others already qualified and some just not playing (Inno in Q2 and Q3 comes to mind) things look real bad.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 15:06:05
December 04 2020 15:05 GMT
#39
On December 04 2020 23:06 Elentos wrote:
Ultimately the Korean scene isn't much more than 20 players at this point so when you have people invited, others already qualified and some just not playing (Inno in Q2 and Q3 comes to mind) things look real bad.

In the last Code S Qualifier were 42 "noteable" Players participating +4 invited from Season 2.
One of the Players was Special, wich would give us a total of 45 Korean Players. Not all of them are Pros though.
My estimate would be, that there are no more than 30 Full Time Korean SC2 pros atm..

There is a reason why Code S sized down to 28 players..

Some of them like Teaja or sOs don t realy participate in online events though, wich makes the Pool even smaller.
MaxPax
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
December 04 2020 16:18 GMT
#40
Can anyone post link to TLS6 liquipedia page? I cant seem to find it anywhere.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-04 16:23:13
December 04 2020 16:22 GMT
#41
On December 05 2020 01:18 Silvanel wrote:
Can anyone post link to TLS6 liquipedia page? I cant seem to find it anywhere.



(Wiki)TeamLiquid StarLeague/6
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 04 2020 19:01 GMT
#42
On December 05 2020 01:22 Bojas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2020 01:18 Silvanel wrote:
Can anyone post link to TLS6 liquipedia page? I cant seem to find it anywhere.



https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/TeamLiquid_StarLeague/6

Breaket is out
MaxPax
InvictusRage
Profile Joined August 2011
United States230 Posts
December 04 2020 20:12 GMT
#43
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