EPTTSL6 - Qualifiers info (예선전 정보) - Page 2
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ilax30
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 02 2020 04:31 Elentos wrote: Is the entire schedule you can find for the main event on LP 100% confirmed? I find 17:00 CET for the opening matches somewhat concerning. We've just seen with ASUS how long 10 Bo5s can take in one day, with relatively low delay and basically no technical difficulties. Sure with TSL it's at most 8 Bo5s but ASUS started 4 hours earlier. IIRC they asked Koreans, they didn't say they mind, they go for this timeslot. So, uh, it's the Koreans fault this time. | ||
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digitalnotebook
India1 Post
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InvictusRage
United States230 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Can t be so hard to check  ESL Pro Tour/2020/21/StandingsEspecially when they know, they have to do it manually. Could easily just copy past the whole thing to an Excel sheet beforehand and use that for seeding. E.: Ok seeding was done with global points only appearently. There is still no way that Scarlett is first seed with 105 Global points though. E2.: ok double checked it. The seeding wasn t done with GLOBAL POINTS as they said, but with GLOBAL POINTS + KOREAN POINTS, giving Astrea, Scarlett and Special an advantage. If they would have don it according to the rules, they said, also Special wouldn t even have gotten the invite, but Showtime instead. I gues thats also the reason why Zest got invited, because he has more GLOBAL POINTS than Inno, Trap or Stats. I don t get why they invited TY then, as Inno has more GLOBAL POINTS than TY. This is a complete mess so far. If the seeding is inconsistent, I get triggered, but most fans probably don t realy care. If the invites are inconsistent with the rules its quite a bit more serious. I have an overview over the GLOBAL POINTS, that I ve done for this analysis. I would love to give that to the admins to help out to improve this tournament. So at least for the main tournament we get correct seeds for all the players.  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On December 03 2020 16:24 dbRic1203 wrote: Wondering Who did the seeding for NA. Scarlett wird 1st seed despite Neeb and Astrea also signed up is a pretty obvious mistake. I'd love for someone to explain to me why the winner of NA SHOULD be granted an advantage. BTW check my country flair. There never seems to be a reason for it. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 03 2020 20:21 Vindicare605 wrote: I'd love for someone to explain to me why the winner of NA SHOULD be granted an advantage. BTW check my country flair. There never seems to be a reason for it. Sorry not sure what you re trying to say. Also my post is pretty messy and not well structured at all, apollogies for that. The seeding after Global points only should have been: 1 Neeb (279) 2 Astrea (233) 3 uThermal (222) 4 Nice (187) 5 Mana (119) 6 Harstem (113) 7 Scarlett (105) 8 Bly (93) 9 Drogo (79) 10 MaxPax (65) [...] | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 03 2020 20:33 dbRic1203 wrote: Sorry not sure what you re trying to say. Also my post is pretty messy and not well structured at all, apollogies for that. The seeding after Global points only should have been: 1 Neeb (279) 2 Astrea (233) 3 uThermal (222) 4 Nice (187) 5 Mana (119) 6 Harstem (113) 7 Scarlett (105) 8 Bly (93) 9 Drogo (79) 10 MaxPax (65) [...] I believe the term usage got confused, IMO the TSL global means like the whole world, not everything except the Korea, because Korae isn't global enough and not on the globe  So they added the Code S points Scarlett managed to achieve in Korea.Edit> In the end GSL means GLOBAL Starcraft 2 League  You can't me more global than that xD(honestly, who's thinking about it when they're naming this?) | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 03 2020 20:47 deacon.frost wrote: I believe the term usage got confused, IMO the TSL global means like the whole world, not everything except the Korea, because Korae isn't global enough and not on the globe So they added the Code S points Scarlett managed to achieve in Korea.Edit> In the end GSL means GLOBAL Starcraft 2 League You can't me more global than that xD(honestly, who's thinking about it when they're naming this?) No, they didn t use the Regional points for like EU or NA for the seeding, I checked that. They used Global Points + Korea Points for the Foreign Seeding and who knows what for Korean seeding (but neither KR Points only, nor KR + World Points, nor World Points only) I ve created a spreadsheet and compared it with the actuall seeding, nothing makes sense to me. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On December 03 2020 21:10 dbRic1203 wrote: No, they didn t use the Regional points for like EU or NA for the seeding, I checked that. They used Global Points + Korea Points for the Foreign Seeding and who knows what for Korean seeding (but neither KR Points only, nor KR + World Points, nor World Points only) I ve created a spreadsheet and compared it with the actuall seeding, nothing makes sense to me. In case of Scarlett it's the global points + points from the Global SC2 League. Maybe they just grepped the results for the word Global  | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 03 2020 21:18 deacon.frost wrote: In case of Scarlett it's the global points + points from the Global SC2 League. Maybe they just grepped the results for the word Global Well GSL awards Korea points per EPT rule book. But hey doing seeding for foreigner Qualifier via Korea Points sounds great to me  I gues Koreans can be lucky GSL is called Global SC2 League as to my understanding it helps the Korean Pros to delay their Militarry service, as they are representing Korea in a Global Competition If it would be Korean SC2 league, it would be a mere National Championship, wich wouldn t allow them to further delay the enlistment. So its a great name for all means and purposes | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
Also it feels like Nice has really stepped it up over the past few months. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 04 2020 11:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: MaNa coming so close to qualifying yet not qualifying is really tough given uThermal, Elazer and Lambo qualified. Also it feels like Nice has really stepped it up over the past few months. Friendly reminder that Nice almost qualified for Katowice Group stage. He s been pretty damn good the entire year | ||
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Totoro1
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Are there so few players in Korea that a qualifier for a big tournament like TSL cannot get more than 12 players? Or was it some issue with scheduling or Korean not caring about the tournament? There was only 4 Koreans already qualified, does it mean that the Korean region only has ~20 active players? | ||
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ilax30
720 Posts
On December 04 2020 22:43 Totoro1 wrote: I couldn't watch the Korean qualifiers, but is the liquipedia page accurate? Stats, Trap, DRG and Dark all qualified by only playing one BO3? The third qualifier is a 12 players qualifier with 4 people qualifying! Are there so few players in Korea that a qualifier for a big tournament like TSL cannot get more than 12 players? Or was it some issue with scheduling or Korean not caring about the tournament? There was only 4 Koreans already qualified, does it mean that the Korean region only has ~20 active players? Liquipedia always only shows the end part of these qualifiers, especially for eu and na there are dozens of matches they always have to cut out which are not shown. But yeah in this case just the 13 signups and 12 of which played. This is ofc already the 3rd qualifier and some koreans were invited but it still aint much for sure. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 04 2020 22:43 Totoro1 wrote: I couldn't watch the Korean qualifiers, but is the liquipedia page accurate? Stats, Trap, DRG and Dark all qualified by only playing one BO3? The third qualifier is a 12 players qualifier with 4 people qualifying! Are there so few players in Korea that a qualifier for a big tournament like TSL cannot get more than 12 players? Or was it some issue with scheduling or Korean not caring about the tournament? There was only 4 Koreans already qualified, does it mean that the Korean region only has ~20 active players? KR qualifier 1 had 18 KR qualifier 2 had 17 and KR qualifier 3 had 13 signups per official breacket. Notable Koreans missing from all 3 qualifiers are: sOs, Hurricane, Teaja I think. Most Korean amateurs don t even sign up for these it seems. But also the last foreigner Qualifier was pretty empty with "only" 43 signups, wich is way lower than the average turnout on Open Cups.. | ||
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Elentos
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On December 04 2020 23:06 Elentos wrote: Ultimately the Korean scene isn't much more than 20 players at this point so when you have people invited, others already qualified and some just not playing (Inno in Q2 and Q3 comes to mind) things look real bad. In the last Code S Qualifier were 42 "noteable" Players participating +4 invited from Season 2. One of the Players was Special, wich would give us a total of 45 Korean Players. Not all of them are Pros though. My estimate would be, that there are no more than 30 Full Time Korean SC2 pros atm.. There is a reason why Code S sized down to 28 players.. Some of them like Teaja or sOs don t realy participate in online events though, wich makes the Pool even smaller. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4736 Posts
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