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On August 20 2020 10:41 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2020 10:34 Mizenhauer wrote:On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall. He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another. Here's the pertinent info: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/285580-coca-forfeits-code-s-due-to-esv-weekly-scandal https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523642-byun-and-coca-in-esv-weekly-a-summaryA much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn  IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
Thanks for the link. Somehow I missed that post when it was first created. Normally, I read everything that has the "Waxangel" seal of quality!
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Bomber and ByuN hwaiting!
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On August 20 2020 21:26 Edpayasugo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2020 19:36 Mizenhauer wrote:On August 20 2020 10:41 Waxangel wrote:On August 20 2020 10:34 Mizenhauer wrote:On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall. He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another. Here's the pertinent info: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/285580-coca-forfeits-code-s-due-to-esv-weekly-scandal https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523642-byun-and-coca-in-esv-weekly-a-summaryA much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind. I don't think it's sinister at all. I've conceded to people plenty of time in Magic to allow them to advance in events, or intentionally drawn so both of us could do better in an event. More than anything, it's proof that the two guys just aren't too smart and probably should have sent those messages over Kakao Talk instead of in game chat. Not sure why you would do the first?
in most magic tournaments the main part of a tournament is Swiss (you play x number of rounds each against people with similar record at that point), and then cut to a bracket for top8; So if you are already guaranteed to be top8 before even playing the last round or two you can draw or concede to help your friends when the only thing it would affect is your seed into the top8 bracket;; this is common practice in mtg and not really frowned upon at all
Nowadays they are putting heavier importance on seeds (such as higher seed into bracket puts you farther in such as how proleague playoff worked in sc2) partially to dicourage this
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United States97277 Posts
On August 20 2020 10:41 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2020 10:34 Mizenhauer wrote:On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall. He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another. Here's the pertinent info: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/285580-coca-forfeits-code-s-due-to-esv-weekly-scandal https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523642-byun-and-coca-in-esv-weekly-a-summaryA much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
WORSE THAN LIFE
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Cricketer12
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On August 21 2020 04:40 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2020 21:26 Edpayasugo wrote:On August 20 2020 19:36 Mizenhauer wrote:On August 20 2020 10:41 Waxangel wrote:On August 20 2020 10:34 Mizenhauer wrote:On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall. He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another. Here's the pertinent info: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/285580-coca-forfeits-code-s-due-to-esv-weekly-scandal https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523642-byun-and-coca-in-esv-weekly-a-summaryA much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind. I don't think it's sinister at all. I've conceded to people plenty of time in Magic to allow them to advance in events, or intentionally drawn so both of us could do better in an event. More than anything, it's proof that the two guys just aren't too smart and probably should have sent those messages over Kakao Talk instead of in game chat. Not sure why you would do the first? in most magic tournaments the main part of a tournament is Swiss (you play x number of rounds each against people with similar record at that point), and then cut to a bracket for top8; So if you are already guaranteed to be top8 before even playing the last round or two you can draw or concede to help your friends when the only thing it would affect is your seed into the top8 bracket;; this is common practice in mtg and not really frowned upon at all Nowadays they are putting heavier importance on seeds (such as higher seed into bracket puts you farther in such as how proleague playoff worked in sc2) partially to dicourage this
As a Yugioh player this is still wild to me. You'd get banned by Konami for doing this at Tier 2 or higher events
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On August 21 2020 04:51 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2020 10:41 Waxangel wrote:On August 20 2020 10:34 Mizenhauer wrote:On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall. He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another. Here's the pertinent info: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/285580-coca-forfeits-code-s-due-to-esv-weekly-scandal https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523642-byun-and-coca-in-esv-weekly-a-summaryA much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind. WORSE THAN LIFE
It is only relevant to those throwing around "Zero tolerance"
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When would GSL end this season?
Parting just announced his military service begins on October 8th unless he can push it back which he doubts since he's already pushed it back last year.
Edit: parting said he will just forfeit if the delay isn't granted.
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Creator always looks so crushed after he inevitably loses, I can't watch it any more. He'd be better off just going to the military :/
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Northern Ireland27477 Posts
On August 21 2020 08:27 Aesto wrote:
Creator always looks so crushed after he inevitably loses, I can't watch it any more. He'd be better off just going to the military :/
Would be sick if he could make it deep.
I don’t think I’ve ever loved a build as much as Creator’s Double Forge back in the day, or wanted a guy to do well for like 9 years after based off one build.
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On August 21 2020 08:09 mikedupp wrote:
When would GSL end this season?
Parting just announced his military service begins on October 8th unless he can push it back which he doubts since he's already pushed it back last year.
Edit: parting said he will just forfeit if the delay isn't granted.
Parting's going to the military already?? 
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On August 21 2020 10:16 slant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2020 08:09 mikedupp wrote:
When would GSL end this season?
Parting just announced his military service begins on October 8th unless he can push it back which he doubts since he's already pushed it back last year.
Edit: parting said he will just forfeit if the delay isn't granted. Parting's going to the military already??
Yeah, he got the call right before he was to play Trap in DH play ins. So he got loaded drunk and depressed. He thought he wouldn't have to go for 2 more years.
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Im always happy to see ByuN and TaeJa 
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Joining the BuyN hype!! Super exciting to have him back!
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On August 21 2020 08:27 Aesto wrote:
Creator always looks so crushed after he inevitably loses, I can't watch it any more. He'd be better off just going to the military :/
Well, I agree that he looks crushed, but i prefer to have people in sc2 that shows emotions and actually care for the game and the results. He is toss, but he is much more human than many of the top Terrans for example ^^...
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Cricketer12
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On August 21 2020 10:16 slant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2020 08:09 mikedupp wrote:
When would GSL end this season?
Parting just announced his military service begins on October 8th unless he can push it back which he doubts since he's already pushed it back last year.
Edit: parting said he will just forfeit if the delay isn't granted. Parting's going to the military already??
Protoss is super fucked holy shit.
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On August 21 2020 09:42 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2020 08:27 Aesto wrote:
Creator always looks so crushed after he inevitably loses, I can't watch it any more. He'd be better off just going to the military :/ Would be sick if he could make it deep. I don’t think I’ve ever loved a build as much as Creator’s Double Forge back in the day, or wanted a guy to do well for like 9 years after based off one build.
I absolutely loved that build.
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On August 20 2020 10:41 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2020 10:34 Mizenhauer wrote:On August 20 2020 09:36 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
Wasn't coca involved with match fixing before? He was a strong zerg when he last competed as I recall. He and ByuN colluded in a ESV Weekly back at the beginning of WOL and were disciplined by their teams. It's funny because there are other games (magic is the best example) where intentional draws are common practice, and people concede to friends quite often. Anyway, it wasn't matchfixing in the sense he was being paid to the throw the match by some mobsters a la the 2015 matchfixing disaster, it was more one teammate helping another. Here's the pertinent info: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/285580-coca-forfeits-code-s-due-to-esv-weekly-scandal https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523642-byun-and-coca-in-esv-weekly-a-summaryA much more thorough summary by me (even has the replays of the matches!), if I may toot my own horn IMO it's even LESS sinister (by which I mean NOT AT ALL sinister) than how you framed it, or how it's erroneously remembered by the SC2 community hivemind.
oh man, now I read up on what happened between byun and coca I am sad xD like, they are just helping each other....  When a tournament doesn't really matter......... compare to GSL xD sad man.
For some reason I always associated Coca as a really bad match fixer like Savior and Life, but apparently that's very different. Thanks for keeping the record straight Waxangel!
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So sad Astrea can't play this season... he played some beautiful PvZ in s2!
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On August 20 2020 08:25 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2020 05:23 deacon.frost wrote:Well, there's so few zergs and yet I cannot think about any important zerg missing DRG and Rogue are already in ro16, soO has retired, Reynor and Serral can't go to GSL realistically, scarlett's visa expired, idk what you want
Why did you bring up soO?
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