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Disasterpiece Theater: Zest vs Trap (2016-09-03) - Page 2

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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 05 2020 02:42 GMT
#21
Imagine not playing your best player in the Proleague Grand Finals. KT coaches baby.
ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
July 05 2020 03:35 GMT
#22
Zest fell very deep after that. That was the start of his slump. And when he finally got some stride, we would again be humiliated by Maru by getting steam rolled so bad in Code S finals.
Carminedust
Profile Joined October 2014
487 Posts
July 05 2020 04:26 GMT
#23
aaaaaaah yes this finals that made bunch of say " SKT didnt lose for this" now i need to go and scrub my brain to forget this finals even happened again
Maybe was Zoun only Fan before he retired idk
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-05 06:00:06
July 05 2020 05:39 GMT
#24
Great write-up, and some historical context. But I see the match as a a symptom, rather than the cause of Proleague's death.

Context as a a whole (as far I can remember):
- JinAir on high whole season long (SKT slumping)
- Low morale of players due to match-fixing scandal, and potential team dissolution (only JinAir is unaffected due to their unique position)
- KT was terribly slumping whole season (TY: 14-13 (52%), Zest: 18-13 (58%) and 0-2 in the playoffs, Stats: 17-9 (75%) as their best player didn't get to play).

It was just a really sad finals, overall, even without the third game. As you put it, KT players probably entered with the 'IDGAF' mindset. Or maybe they already felt happy and achieved their goal by beating SKT.

Sorry, JinAir fans. Hollow victory. Your moment of glory was missed in 2015. In 2016, they already ascended as the 'new' SKT (and continue until today). So no real surprises winning. KT was the underdog, and collapsed on their own sword. (Also, KT roster was too shallow for playoffs, hence disadvantaged in a BO7 as opposed to BO5. A miracle that they beat SKT.)

The match is truly tragic comedy. It just calls back memories to the downfall of SC2 prologue for reasons not due to the players' fault at all (except for the One-Who-Shalt-Not-Be-Named and other fixers, of course). Good effort, but I really didn't need to be reminded about this
gg no re thx
guldlon
Profile Joined March 2016
Germany2 Posts
July 06 2020 08:30 GMT
#25
What a great article!
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-06 09:48:20
July 06 2020 09:35 GMT
#26
Wow that was so bad by Zest, just wat. Very well written article, it was a fun(?) read. Enjoyed reading my own post in the thread about the cryptic message xD God was I naive back then.

On July 05 2020 11:42 Phredxor wrote:
Imagine not playing your best player in the Proleague Grand Finals. KT coaches baby.

Just so you know, if Jjakji, TY, Zest and Trust lose anyway it doesn't matter if Stats played earlier. The order of players revolve mostly about getting favorable matchups, not around getting your ace to play, win and then lose the match anyway.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-10 22:28:12
July 06 2020 17:20 GMT
#27
On July 04 2020 20:49 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
Curious’ tortuous dismemberment at the hands of Flash was an exhibition of what happens when meta and map incentive players NOT to play StarCraft.

Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
July 06 2020 18:46 GMT
#28
Very entertaining words, thank you.

I love these nostalgia pieces, please keep them coming. Damn I miss SPL
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 07 2020 08:48 GMT
#29
Do MKP vs Byul next.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24209 Posts
July 07 2020 09:24 GMT
#30
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.

I'm pretty sure this and MaNa - FireCake are bound to come at some point if the series goes on
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
July 07 2020 09:25 GMT
#31
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.


Wow, I had forgotten this



Also completely forgot MKP joined mvp
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-07 13:54:59
July 07 2020 13:53 GMT
#32
On July 07 2020 18:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.

I'm pretty sure this and MaNa - FireCake are bound to come at some point if the series goes on


Stephano vs Patrapopoulos is the "superior" SH game
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15973 Posts
July 07 2020 16:02 GMT
#33
On July 07 2020 22:53 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2020 18:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.

I'm pretty sure this and MaNa - FireCake are bound to come at some point if the series goes on


Stephano vs Patrapopoulos is the "superior" SH game

*Petraeus
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24209 Posts
July 07 2020 16:04 GMT
#34
On July 07 2020 22:53 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2020 18:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.

I'm pretty sure this and MaNa - FireCake are bound to come at some point if the series goes on


Stephano vs Patrapopoulos is the "superior" SH game

It always feels weird to me to rank such things, like when I see people debating over "Is Ed Gein the superior serial killer compared to Jeffrey Dahmer ?". I don't know, I feel the MaNa - FireCake one is somehow more iconic.

And you mispelt the name, it's actually Pietromenneus.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
July 08 2020 05:55 GMT
#35
On July 07 2020 22:53 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2020 18:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.

I'm pretty sure this and MaNa - FireCake are bound to come at some point if the series goes on


Stephano vs Patrapopoulos is the "superior" SH game


New Zealand's greatest e-sports moment.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
July 08 2020 07:02 GMT
#36
On July 08 2020 14:55 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2020 22:53 Nakajin wrote:
On July 07 2020 18:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.

I'm pretty sure this and MaNa - FireCake are bound to come at some point if the series goes on


Stephano vs Patrapopoulos is the "superior" SH game


New Zealand's greatest e-sports moment.


wouldnt that be risky winning wcs/ept for you guys
~~~~~
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 08 2020 08:28 GMT
#37
Maru's cheeky smile when he dropped the first MULE
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 10 2020 18:41 GMT
#38
On July 08 2020 01:02 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2020 22:53 Nakajin wrote:
On July 07 2020 18:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.

I'm pretty sure this and MaNa - FireCake are bound to come at some point if the series goes on


Stephano vs Patrapopoulos is the "superior" SH game

*Petraeus

Platypus?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5589 Posts
July 10 2020 19:13 GMT
#39
On July 08 2020 01:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2020 22:53 Nakajin wrote:
On July 07 2020 18:24 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On July 07 2020 17:48 Phredxor wrote:
Do MKP vs Byul next.

I'm pretty sure this and MaNa - FireCake are bound to come at some point if the series goes on


Stephano vs Patrapopoulos is the "superior" SH game

It always feels weird to me to rank such things, like when I see people debating over "Is Ed Gein the superior serial killer compared to Jeffrey Dahmer ?". I don't know, I feel the MaNa - FireCake one is somehow more iconic.

I remember Lillekanin - ZGL the fondliest
don't wall off against random
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
July 11 2020 14:27 GMT
#40
SO where is the best games list???
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
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