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HKPereira
Profile Joined January 2016
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 15:25:37
June 09 2020 20:31 GMT
#1
I really did not want to be writing this, but as I am the CEO of an e-sports organization for more than 2 years, I feel like situations like these need to be exposed so that the players and every other professional that work in the e-sport scene can be more careful to not get into scams.

Even though I have some experience(I've been CEO for Black Night Esports for 2 years and doing stuff in the scene since 2015) and thought I was doing something right, I still fell for a scam.

Around 2 or 3 months ago, a new team called TEAM GP posted in their social media that they were in need of new sponsors and donations from their viewers to keep their professional SC2 team. I talked with other players and team owners, and they all agreed that this situation was really hurting TEAM GP's image in the scene. I felt a lot of compassion for the team, as I know that having a team requires a lot of passion and a lot of troubles(not only financial) can appear, especially if you dont have good planning. I contacted the team and told them to delete the post to help their image, and also gave them tips on how to grow and how to look more professional. They started to request things and I told them that I could only help if I was inside the team, as I was focused on Black Night at the time. I thought that the things that they were asking deserved a payment of around 1~2k USD, but my girlfriend convinced me to do it for cheaper, as a way to help the team, so I joined them for 400USD. This money was used to pay for the hours of daily work that I did and also to pay a good image designer.

We agreed, in a verbal contract, the value of 400USD for 3 months, so that I would be able to create a visual identity and build a team structure for them. This way, the team would look solid for any sponsor, and we would start to get some.

For the first month I worked directly with TEAM GP CEO, Lee Goni. We talked constantly about the best players to get, and the wages that they would receive. We also created the new visual identity for the team, which was used in all of their social medias. I also got them a slot into the Chinese Team League, which would net the team at least 3k USD.

In the next month, I made a commercial introduction for them, and kept looking for events for the team to participate. The CEO, Lee Goni, wasnt answering me anymore(its been more than a month since she last answered me), so I was talking to her husband, TheBarTV(COO of Team GP). I got in contact with many people and investors to make them interested in the team, so that they could watch for it and its results(which would generate sponsors later). TheBar started to pressure me, saying that the team was in urgent need of sponsors, and that they had many financial needs. I started to study korean business(especially the ones that had sponsored sc2 before) that could sponsor the team, and made a list of more than 20 possible sponsors for the team. I also helped them set up a Patreon, and told them that the players had to stream for it to start growing. The players didnt stream a single time(probably because the owners didnt ask them to do it), and the owners started to ask me why we didnt get any patreon donor(even though they didnt send the patreon link to anyone and we had no streams). I also looked into new forms of making money(like selling the team uniform near the Afreeca studio in GSL days), but they didnt do anything that I suggested.

When the payday arrived(5 june), I didnt get paid. I sent messages to Lee Goni and TheBar, but I was ignored for 4 days. Today(9 june) I had a talk with TheBar about the payment, and he told me that he didnt want to pay me anymore because they thought that my work was not having the results that they wanted. I understood that, but told them that the fair thing to do was to pay me for 3 months of work(as we had agreed initially) and not only 2.

They also told me that they wouldnt even pay me for the second month(that I did work), as I didnt get them any sponsor(even though the responsability to talk with the korean businesses from the list I made was theirs, as they speak korean and I dont). I told them that they couldnt do that, as I had worked hard all month and deserved to get the money(especially because I also had to pay the designer). They told me that they would only pay me 100USD for the work that the designer had done, but wouldnt pay me anything, as they "could do everything that I had done alone".

In the end they told me that they are not going to pay me the $400 that we had initially agreed, and I will have to pay the designer out of my own pocket.

UPDATE: My problem with TEAM GP is fixed, they paid me in a mutual agreement and everything is fine now.

- André "Pereira".
HKPereira
Profile Joined January 2016
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 05:26:55
June 09 2020 20:33 GMT
#2
+Just to help: They payed the first month, didnt payed the second and the third.

Sorry for my english, i am not native
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
June 09 2020 20:46 GMT
#3
Damn...
I saw that first Post here, where they were pretty much begging for money. When the deleted it and entered GTC and also a couple of showmatches, I expected them to be somewhat on track...
Turns out, that was entirely your work and they Scham you over for doing so
If all These charges are true, I hope they are going to dispand rather quickly now, even though it will mean another GTC Team bites tue dust
MaxPax
HKPereira
Profile Joined January 2016
5 Posts
June 09 2020 21:24 GMT
#4
The sad part is that: They are trying to the same of the Nerchio issue, telling lies and cutting the part of few prints to try fake a information.
mikedupp
Profile Joined May 2020
233 Posts
June 09 2020 21:29 GMT
#5
Will wait for team GP to make a reply before passing judgement
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
June 09 2020 21:32 GMT
#6
On June 10 2020 06:29 mikedupp wrote:
Will wait for team GP to make a reply before passing judgement


They already did some time ago
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 09 2020 21:35 GMT
#7
On June 10 2020 06:32 ilax30 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2020 06:29 mikedupp wrote:
Will wait for team GP to make a reply before passing judgement


They already did some time ago


Where?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
HKPereira
Profile Joined January 2016
5 Posts
June 09 2020 21:36 GMT
#8
On June 10 2020 06:29 mikedupp wrote:
Will wait for team GP to make a reply before passing judgement


They created a awnser already, u can check here:
and in TeamGP official twitter.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 09 2020 22:05 GMT
#9
The team drama really never stops with SCII.
Mettis
Profile Joined June 2019
84 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 00:27:56
June 10 2020 00:27 GMT
#10
This is unfortunate but I mean I don't think I'd ever work for an esports team, let alone under the circumstances you described. Hope it works out for you.
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
June 10 2020 00:29 GMT
#11
We agreed, in a verbal contract


there's your problem right there. No written contract, no work.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19257 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 00:34:14
June 10 2020 00:33 GMT
#12
On June 10 2020 09:29 ilikeredheads wrote:
Show nested quote +
We agreed, in a verbal contract


there's your problem right there. No written contract, no work.

Yup, I did two months programming work for a startup run by a notable politician in the area. I assumed him being such a public and wealthy character that I'd get my pay checks so I kept working while asking for them. After two months I had to bite the bullet on $12k worth of pay and find a different job. I was fortunate enough to land another job a couple days later.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
SupremeMaddox
Profile Joined July 2019
Korea (South)32 Posts
June 10 2020 00:59 GMT
#13
If you were experienced in this business, you could've avoided all of this by writing the contract.
This is also part your fault NOT CLARIFYING all the terms within papers.
If you were that naive with that experience you had in prior, then you have a problem.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
June 10 2020 01:21 GMT
#14
On June 10 2020 09:59 SupremeMaddox wrote:
If you were experienced in this business, you could've avoided all of this by writing the contract.
This is also part your fault NOT CLARIFYING all the terms within papers.
If you were that naive with that experience you had in prior, then you have a problem.

It's not like anyone in this industry can 'sue' anyone. They'd lose more than what was agreed to be paid just for dedicating the time, effort, and money into any legal matters.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8240 Posts
June 10 2020 02:18 GMT
#15
If only we had big, established teams in SC2. RNGU, Edward Gaming, G2, Heroic, Astralis, EG, BIG, etc.
Kokujin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States456 Posts
June 10 2020 03:35 GMT
#16
Jesus, you'd think an organization with a 'COO' wouldn't struggle to pay out 100 bucks
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44563 Posts
June 10 2020 05:22 GMT
#17
On June 10 2020 09:29 ilikeredheads wrote:
Show nested quote +
We agreed, in a verbal contract


there's your problem right there. No written contract, no work.


This.

Verbal contract isn't really a contract. I'm sorry to hear that you got tricked
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
kubaPS
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany162 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-10 05:42:59
June 10 2020 05:42 GMT
#18

SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria831 Posts
June 10 2020 07:30 GMT
#19
On June 10 2020 14:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2020 09:29 ilikeredheads wrote:
We agreed, in a verbal contract


there's your problem right there. No written contract, no work.


This.

Verbal contract isn't really a contract. I'm sorry to hear that you got tricked


I think the same, but even if it's written, what's the chance he could sue overseas for $800 (small amount to lawyers)?
IncarnatioN_
Profile Joined April 2018
Russian Federation38 Posts
June 10 2020 07:58 GMT
#20
obvious that was coming with their "Help us TLnet" thread..
2020 is the year of terrans (i hope)
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