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GSL Code S Finals Preview: TY vs Cure

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GSL Code S Finals Preview: TY vs Cure

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
June 5th, 2020 17:53 GMT

Code S Season 1
Grand Finals Preview

by Orlok and Wax

In a reborn era of GomTvT, GSL Code S is about to crown a new Terran champion. TY returns to the Code S finals stage for the third time in his career, having lost to Maru and Zest in his previous attempts to win the championship. Despite being title-less in Code S, TY still takes on the role of the incumbent accepting the invitation of the challenger. For he faces first-time Code S finalist in Cure, a player who's sudden rise has been one of the biggest surprises of 2020. Career-wise, TY belongs to the most elite-tier of players, and is long overdue to win the Code S title most of his illustrious peers possess. But, as we've seen the past, the decorated veterans is often sacrificed for the rising star's glory.

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TY: Talk the Talk, Walk the Walk

TY's opponents haven't been the only people taking L's during his GSL run—there's also every other StarCraft II caster who isnt' concurrently a Code S finalist. Okay, maybe that's being just a little bit unfair to the other casters—TY does happen to possess the greatest competitive pedigree of any SC2 caster.

TY's early entry into StarCraft was both blessed and cursed: he received considerable spotlight for joining pro-team Pantech EX as a thirteen-year-old, but became perhaps the youngest Brood War progamer to ever be called washed-up when he failed to live up to comparisons with greats such as NaDa and Flash. However, his talent was quite legit—it just took a switch to StarCraft II and move to KT Rolster to set him on the path to championships.

He quickly became a vital soldier in KT Rolster's 2014 Proleague campaign, capping off a strong 17-12 regular season record with a championship-clinching bunker rush against SKT's Classic in the grand finals. Individual league success soon followed, and he became a fixture in the playoffs of GSL/SSL, eventually earning his first finals appearance in the inaugural Code S tournament of LotV (he lost 2-4 to Zest).

When Proleague was discontinued at the end of 2016, it was time for TY to shine even brighter in individual leagues. 2017 was his year, as he won back to back victories at IEM Katowice and WESG. Not only did that win him hefty paydays (over $300,000 combined), but he also earned the kind of prestige that only major individual titles can bring. While TY cooled off slightly after reaching that high point, his overall skill-level has remained in that vicinity. He reached the BlizzCon semifinals in 2017, and almost prevented Maru's Code S three-peat in the finals of 2018 Season 3. Inevitable might be too strong a word to describe TY's return to the Code S finals, but it's certainly no shock to see him here again. He's a player who belongs on this kind of stage.

The surprising thing about TY's run is that he's doing it while being Code S's primary color-commentator. When he took over JYP’s broadcast duties (JYP went to fulfill his mandatory military service) in 2019, it seemed like an odd decision. Why was a top three Terran suddenly taking on a role that had historically been reserved for retired players? Casting isn’t as easy as one might think—it’s one thing to possess deep knowledge of SC2, it's another thing entirely to convert that deep knowledge into concise sound-bites that the audience can understand. Could TY really maintain a decent level of StarCraft skill while becoming a good enough caster to please critical Korean fans? Was he signalling a career transition after a disappointing 2019 campaign where he failed to qualify for the Global Finals?

All such questions have been answered. Despite a rocky start to 2020 where TY was eliminated early in the Super Tournament and IEM Katowice (topped off by the indignity of being booted from Triumphant Song Gaming), he's made up for it by giving us vintage TY performances in GSL Code S. His quarterfinal match against Dark might have been the best demonstration of his strategic panache. Historically, TY had been Dark’s punching bag, with a 12-24 head-to-head match record overall, and 9-20 in LotV to boot. No one expected TY to put up a real fight with how poor he had been early on the year, but lo and behold: he won three straight games with map-specific, cheesy goodness.

TY's semifinal victory against PartinG reminded us how he can invent his own paradigm in a match-up, let his opponents know about it, and win with it anyway. TY had been playing variants of turtle-Terran for months on the new map pool, and PartinG was still unable to come up with a solution as he hurled waves of Protoss units to their deaths. While PartinG's throws and sloppy plays certainly helped, we can't blame TY for remaining calm and executing his gameplan.

When asked by TL.net about how casting had affected his play, TY said that playing off-race as part of his casting preparation had really let him understand the mindset of the other factions. Maybe that's why his incisive early-game builds have been hitting their mark so frequently this season. He's had some luck in terms of his opponents' poor scouting, but everyone needs a bit of luck to reach the GSL finals. For Terran players, TY has been a sudden thunderclap during a dry day. Of the top three Terrans, we expected INnoVation and Maru to thrive under the supposed #TerranPatch, but in the end, it's TY and his encyclopedia of builds that's headed to the finals.

We’ve never seen a player continue to be as good as TY has been while shouldering on the casting workload. Not only is he casting, but he's committing to regular streaming and creating content for his growing YouTube channel. Considering the anomaly he is right now, this could be the first and possibly only time such a hybrid player ever wins a major championship. In an age where it seems like every possible milestone in StarCraft II has been reached—from Serral winning BlizzCon, Maru winning four consecutive Code S titles, to everyone under the sun winning the Nestea Award—TY's run to the finals actually has an element that makes it feel unique. While Cure’s story is a very dramatic and sympathetic one, it's nothing truly new at its core: he's one of the many late-blooming underdogs in recent GSL history. TY’s story, that of a progamer finding opportunities outside of tournaments but not losing an iota of his competitive edge, is one that's just as worthy of getting behind.

Cure: Born Again

Is it such a terrible curse to be good but not great? Apparently, that's the kind of existential question Cure has been asking himself. After his 4-3 victory over INnoVation in the semifinals, Cure said in his post-match interview that following his 2019 departure from Jin Air, he had spent a lot of time alone with his thoughts. Among them was "will I go down as another progamer who never got notable results?"

Cure didn't elaborate much further, which left us to speculate about kind of conclusion his soul-searching led him to. Did he make peace with all he had achieved (or had not achieved) in ten years of progaming, giving him the freedom to finally play without pressure? Or did he choose to obsess over his failures and blown opportunities, and use that bitterness and regret as motivation?

Whatever the case, Cure was reborn in 2020. Every single facet of his play improved, whether it was his mechanics, decision-making, or ability to craft builds for a specific opponent. The overarching narrative has been that he always had top-tier skills, and it was only his weak mentality that was holding him back in the GSL booth. While we'd be more skeptical of this kind of over-simplification for other players, it's hard to think of a single bigger reason behind Cure's rapid rise. He went from being a very good online player to god-like online player seemingly overnight, without some intervening period for intensive practice. After spending the last four years as a group stage player in GSL Code S (not even qualifying on occasion), he's made abrupt intrusion into the grand finals.

Sure, he probably benefited from the 4.11.X balance patch and change in map pool, but no other Terran player enjoyed as much drastic improvement in such a short period of time. In the span of six months, Cure has forced his way into the top tier of Korean Terrans, joining INnoVation, TY, and Maru to create what one might call a new "four horsemen of Terran."

In many ways, Cure's 2020 is reminiscent of Trap's 2019. Both players languished in mediocrity on Jin Air for years, occasionally flashing signs of their talent before falling back to the middle of the pack. For all of 2018, it seemed like the most attention they were getting was in interviews with Maru, as adequate practice partners for a truly great player. In both their cases, a mental block was blamed for their shortcomings in the GSL, one they magically overcame without much explanation in their breakout years. Heck, they even share the fact that they both have a single devoted fan on TL.net who's supported them through thick and thin (though one is more annoying than the other).

In Trap's case, his career year of 2019 ended up being bittersweet, as he lost in two Code S finals against the two greatest Zergs in Korea, playing under one the least favorable PvZ patches in years. Cure, in comparison, has the wind of the times at his back. Terran is as strong as ever, and his finals opponent—while certainly formidable—is hardly the worst possible opponent he could face. In fact, Cure probably overcame his most feared foe in the previous round. He headed into his semifinal match against INnoVation with a 9-31 head-to-head match score deficit, and was perhaps haunted by some lingering trauma from his semifinal loss to INnoVation in 2014. Cure overcame those odds and pulled out a gutsy 4-3 victory—albeit in a shaky performance that saw him almost blow a 3-1 lead—but it was still a hugely significant win against the most hyped player in the scene. While there will always be doubters that that consider Cure an online-only, paper tiger until the day he wins a major title, for most of us, that victory over INnoVation was the ultimate stamp of legitimacy proving that the new Cure was for real.

Cure now has the chance to fulfill his dreams and win the championship he's been chasing for over ten years. If he ever lost sight of that goal over the course of that brutal KeSPA grind, he'll now be more focused than ever with the championship trophy within grasp. Cure follows in the path of many late-bloomers before him—from Nestea in the inaugural year of GSL to even finals opponent TY himself. Now, it's up to Cure to take that final step, and claim his just reward for all his hard work, patience, and perseverance

Predictions

Few players should be as acutely aware of Cure's post-Jin Air metamorphosis as TY. Prior to 2020, TY held a 10-2 head-to-head advantage against Cure—in 2020, he trails 4-6 (12-15 map score). TY has watched and commentated over the entirety of Cure's Code S finals odyssey from the GSL announcer's desk, and he even became a part of Cure's tale when he lost to him in their shared RO16 group.



From an outsider's point of view, it seems like TY would be forced to consider Cure an equal in nearly every aspect of TvT. In 2020, they've traded blows with each other in all sorts of game types, be it the traditional Marine-Tank macro wars or rock-paper-scissor fights between early-game aggro builds. While TY's multi-tasking and mechanics have been lauded throughout his career, there's nothing to Cure's games against TY that suggest he's lacking in that department. Even in the art of extreme, late-game turtling—a traditional strength of TY's that has re-emerged in this GSL run—Cure was able to outdo TY at IEM Katowice.

However, there are two areas in which TY might eke out an advantage against Cure. First, there's the preparation of strategies. TY has always been known as a craft build-smith, but his use of early-game strategies this season has been particularly notable. Nearly every opponent TY has faced this season dropped a map after taking damage from some form of surprise attack in the early-game, or just straight-up died to that attack. In the case of Dark, these attacks caused him to lose in a 0-3 quarterfinals sweep. One notable exception, however, was Cure, who actually killed TY with his own 3-rax Reaper build in the RO16.

Cure built much of his fearsome online reputation on the back of his strong standard play (which isn't to say he didn't have some quirky, pet-builds like his BC's in TvP), but this Code S run has revealed that he is also a capable strategist as well. Perhaps his reputation as a macro player in online tournaments is serving him well here, as he's been able to pick his spots and take some easy wins with all-ins. While one has to give TY the slight edge in prepared strategies due to his vastly greater BO5+ experience, Cure's prior series against INnoVation suggests he has some hidden depths he's yet to reveal.

The other area where TY has to be favored is also related to experience. Cure, for the longest time, was a player we defined by his nervousness in live matches. While Cure's has been asked about his mental state in a variety of interviews, we really haven't gotten any insightful self-psychoanalysis from Cure. After the quarterfinals against Dear, Cure said he had been so nervous he hadn't slept the night before. But he then continued to say that being sleep-deprived actually dulled the sense of nervousness. What's one to make of that? Against INnoVation, he said he was wavering when he allowed INnoVation to pull back from 1-3 down to 3-3, but pulled it together to clutch out the game seven win.

On the other hand, TY has won matches in front in some of the biggest crowds in StarCraft II, playing for much more money than is on the line in this particular finals. That isn't to say big-match experience inoculates you against the jitters forever—it's not like Cure's two prior Code S semifinal experiences helped him avoid all those group stage eliminations in the following seasons. But in the case of TY, he's put in enough great performances in high-stakes matches over the years that we trust him to play up to his potential in this kind of situation. He might get out-mechaniced or out-strategized, but he's not a player who chokes.

Ultimately, this mental factor is the deciding factor in making a prediction for this grand finals. In terms of pure gameplay, there's not much separating our two finalists, and Cure might even have the slightest of edges in terms of recent form. But there's just too much lingering uncertainty about Cure's mentality, even if it's improved to the level where he can reach a GSL finals. We predict a narrow win from TY, with either a moment of frailty from Cure or brilliant early-game strategy from TY being the difference.

Prediction: TY 4 - 3 Cure


Credits and acknowledgements

Writers: Orlok & Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
Statistics: Aligulac.com and Liquipedia

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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Last Edited: 2020-06-05 18:05:59
June 05 2020 17:57 GMT
#2
On June 06 2020 02:53 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
But in the case of TY, he's put in enough great performances in high-stakes matches over the years that we trust him to play up to his potential in this kind of situation. He might get out-mechaniced or out-strategized, but he's not a player who chokes.

The player with quite possibly the most reverse sweeps in big matches against him in Starcraft history isn't a player who chokes? There's a lot of things to be said about TY, but if he really was a player who doesn't choke he'd have won a few more tournaments at this point.
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
June 05 2020 17:57 GMT
#3
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
June 05 2020 18:19 GMT
#4
Somehow it has to be a factor that Cure already played seven games of TvT vs Innovation where he had to pull out everything he had to win the series. TY has studied that series inside and out and that should give him an edge. I am hoping that TY's unusual troubles in TvT this year (also in comparison to the other two matchups) are due to him not having prioritized it very much since he has also had to do casting, youtubing, and practicing TvP and TvZ. Hopefully he's in top form and we get to see the Code S TvT GOAT.

Nevertheless, it would be no surprise to see Cure take it either, we have seen him beat TY in their two most high-profile matches this year. The only thing we know for sure is that, being a TY finals, it's going to all the way to game seven
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Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
June 05 2020 18:26 GMT
#5
I think TY will win this one 4-2
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States694 Posts
June 05 2020 18:29 GMT
#6
If TY wins, he'll have performed another most amazing feat: beating all the best Dragon Phoenix Gaming players to win the GSL. What a phenomenal run that would be.

Both players have excellent stories. I'll be happy either way.

Great writeup!
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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June 05 2020 18:31 GMT
#7
On June 06 2020 03:19 sneakyfox wrote:
Nevertheless, it would be no surprise to see Cure take it either, we have seen him beat TY in their two most high-profile matches this year.

Cure lost at Katowice though.
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Waxangel
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Last Edited: 2020-06-05 18:50:15
June 05 2020 18:34 GMT
#8
On June 06 2020 02:57 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2020 02:53 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
But in the case of TY, he's put in enough great performances in high-stakes matches over the years that we trust him to play up to his potential in this kind of situation. He might get out-mechaniced or out-strategized, but he's not a player who chokes.

The player with quite possibly the most reverse sweeps in big matches against him in Starcraft history isn't a player who chokes? There's a lot of things to be said about TY, but if he really was a player who doesn't choke he'd have won a few more tournaments at this point.


Hmm, I never perceived his reverse-sweeps as a particular kind of collapse in his level of play, as much as that just happened to be the random order in which the maps played out (if anything, I think of TY as the guy who occasionally gets totally destroyed in BO5+ against a stronger opponent). Anyway, all the choker/clutch talk is pretty subjective anyway (except maybe soO.....?????), so I won't begrudge anyone having that perception
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Edpayasugo
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United Kingdom2215 Posts
June 05 2020 18:41 GMT
#9
I'm rewatching the 2014 Proleague Grand Finals now, such a great series

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sneakyfox
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June 05 2020 18:45 GMT
#10
On June 06 2020 03:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2020 03:19 sneakyfox wrote:
Nevertheless, it would be no surprise to see Cure take it either, we have seen him beat TY in their two most high-profile matches this year.

Cure lost at Katowice though.


Oohh he did, I missed that.
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Elentos
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June 05 2020 18:45 GMT
#11
On June 06 2020 03:34 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2020 02:57 Elentos wrote:
On June 06 2020 02:53 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
But in the case of TY, he's put in enough great performances in high-stakes matches over the years that we trust him to play up to his potential in this kind of situation. He might get out-mechaniced or out-strategized, but he's not a player who chokes.

The player with quite possibly the most reverse sweeps in big matches against him in Starcraft history isn't a player who chokes? There's a lot of things to be said about TY, but if he really was a player who doesn't choke he'd have won a few more tournaments at this point.


Hmm, I never perceived his reverse-sweeps as a particular kind of collapse in his level of play

I always felt the drop-off was pretty obvious to see personally. And it's not like those are the only instances in his career that can fall under choking. Another great example would be the GSL final against Maru.
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Singapore1949 Posts
June 05 2020 18:46 GMT
#12
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United States873 Posts
June 05 2020 19:09 GMT
#13
Very excited that we'll have a first-time champion! And I always love me some GSL TvT
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United States13978 Posts
June 05 2020 19:39 GMT
#14
Head: TY
Heart: DieuCure

TY 4-1 maybe 4-2
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
June 05 2020 19:51 GMT
#15
This is a very close match up. Fitting it will be the most unforgiving and tense sc2 matchup in my opinion
RoninKenshin
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Canada97 Posts
June 05 2020 19:56 GMT
#16
I would put money on TY losing... because I have horrible luck at sports betting and want Cure to win.

Cure 4-2.
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yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
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June 05 2020 19:58 GMT
#17
On June 06 2020 03:45 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2020 03:34 Waxangel wrote:
On June 06 2020 02:57 Elentos wrote:
On June 06 2020 02:53 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:
But in the case of TY, he's put in enough great performances in high-stakes matches over the years that we trust him to play up to his potential in this kind of situation. He might get out-mechaniced or out-strategized, but he's not a player who chokes.

The player with quite possibly the most reverse sweeps in big matches against him in Starcraft history isn't a player who chokes? There's a lot of things to be said about TY, but if he really was a player who doesn't choke he'd have won a few more tournaments at this point.


Hmm, I never perceived his reverse-sweeps as a particular kind of collapse in his level of play

I always felt the drop-off was pretty obvious to see personally. And it's not like those are the only instances in his career that can fall under choking. Another great example would be the GSL final against Maru.

TY also talked extensively about how affected he was by his reverse sweep history in the translated interview on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gteqoh/gsl_ty_vs_parting_ro4_tys_review_translation_in/ I think he definitely doesn't feel clutch, or at least it gets to him on some level.

Hoping to see vintage TYvT, when he gets the ball rolling in TvT it's absolutely unparalleled. Even Maru a while back (I think post GSL interview at some point) said about a botched early game attack "I don't know why it doesn't work, every time TY does it, it works."

TY 4-2
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Nakajin
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Last Edited: 2020-06-06 01:24:16
June 05 2020 20:59 GMT
#18
I think TY has it in the bag, I'd be more than welcome to be proven wrong tho
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1886 Posts
June 05 2020 21:42 GMT
#19
DO IT FOR DIEUCURE BABY!

TY is at home right now practicing his look of surprise for when he gets reverse swept.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
June 05 2020 23:40 GMT
#20
I have a hard time calling this, i lb with my heart and go for Cure but it might as well be TY who takes it.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10082 Posts
June 06 2020 01:52 GMT
#21
lets go Cure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Profile Joined October 2019
Malaysia20 Posts
June 06 2020 01:55 GMT
#22
4-3, whoever win, will be an awesome enjoyment for everyone!
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19262 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-06 07:36:20
June 06 2020 02:09 GMT
#23
When was the last time a GSL had two non-champion finalists? This will be a great finish to a solid season.
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rickzou
Profile Joined May 2019
46 Posts
June 06 2020 02:38 GMT
#24
Cure 4:3 TY
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SeigeTankEmAll
Profile Joined May 2020
8 Posts
June 06 2020 03:08 GMT
#25
I got 4-3 TY
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
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June 06 2020 05:19 GMT
#26
On June 06 2020 11:09 BisuDagger wrote:
When was the last time a GSL had to non-champion finalists? This will be a great finish to a solid season.

Last GSL (Rogue vs Trap), and the one before it (Dark vs Trap)

So 3 out of 3 last GSLs.
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col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
June 06 2020 06:10 GMT
#27
Been rooting for TY since 2016. 3rd time's a charm. TY fighting!
Will be happy for Cure if he takes it too--the lad deserves it.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 06 2020 06:12 GMT
#28
On June 06 2020 14:19 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2020 11:09 BisuDagger wrote:
When was the last time a GSL had to non-champion finalists? This will be a great finish to a solid season.

Last GSL (Rogue vs Trap), and the one before it (Dark vs Trap)

So 3 out of 3 last GSLs.


I think he meant someone who never won a tournament before, in which case that would be Gumiho I think?
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Ej_
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Last Edited: 2020-06-06 06:32:30
June 06 2020 06:20 GMT
#29
On June 06 2020 15:12 Nakajin wrote:
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On June 06 2020 14:19 Ej_ wrote:
On June 06 2020 11:09 BisuDagger wrote:
When was the last time a GSL had to non-champion finalists? This will be a great finish to a solid season.

Last GSL (Rogue vs Trap), and the one before it (Dark vs Trap)

So 3 out of 3 last GSLs.


I think he meant someone who never won a tournament before, in which case that would be Gumiho I think?

That sounds really weird since TY quite literally has won a World Championship.

GuMiho vs soO also does not qualify for that metric since soO had already won a KeSPA Cup by then.
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Nakajin
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Last Edited: 2020-06-06 06:33:54
June 06 2020 06:32 GMT
#30
On June 06 2020 15:20 Ej_ wrote:
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On June 06 2020 15:12 Nakajin wrote:
On June 06 2020 14:19 Ej_ wrote:
On June 06 2020 11:09 BisuDagger wrote:
When was the last time a GSL had to non-champion finalists? This will be a great finish to a solid season.

Last GSL (Rogue vs Trap), and the one before it (Dark vs Trap)

So 3 out of 3 last GSLs.


I think he meant someone who never won a tournament before, in which case that would be Gumiho I think?

That sounds really weird since TY quite literally has won a World Championship.

You are right that the GuMiho vs soO final (amazing final and a good seasom btw) was the last one that had no premier tournament winner.


Oh oups I read it too fast and missed the "two" (well written "to" but whatever), I thought he was speaking in regard to Cure, silly me.
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Ej_
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June 06 2020 07:02 GMT
#31
On June 06 2020 15:32 Nakajin wrote:
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On June 06 2020 15:20 Ej_ wrote:
On June 06 2020 15:12 Nakajin wrote:
On June 06 2020 14:19 Ej_ wrote:
On June 06 2020 11:09 BisuDagger wrote:
When was the last time a GSL had to non-champion finalists? This will be a great finish to a solid season.

Last GSL (Rogue vs Trap), and the one before it (Dark vs Trap)

So 3 out of 3 last GSLs.


I think he meant someone who never won a tournament before, in which case that would be Gumiho I think?

That sounds really weird since TY quite literally has won a World Championship.

You are right that the GuMiho vs soO final (amazing final and a good seasom btw) was the last one that had no premier tournament winner.


Oh oups I read it too fast and missed the "two" (well written "to" but whatever), I thought he was speaking in regard to Cure, silly me.

It seems you posted right before I edited and it turns out we were wrong anyway . I think we would have to go back to soO vs Classic for no winner...
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19262 Posts
June 06 2020 07:42 GMT
#32
On June 06 2020 16:02 Ej_ wrote:
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On June 06 2020 15:32 Nakajin wrote:
On June 06 2020 15:20 Ej_ wrote:
On June 06 2020 15:12 Nakajin wrote:
On June 06 2020 14:19 Ej_ wrote:
On June 06 2020 11:09 BisuDagger wrote:
When was the last time a GSL had to non-champion finalists? This will be a great finish to a solid season.

Last GSL (Rogue vs Trap), and the one before it (Dark vs Trap)

So 3 out of 3 last GSLs.


I think he meant someone who never won a tournament before, in which case that would be Gumiho I think?

That sounds really weird since TY quite literally has won a World Championship.

You are right that the GuMiho vs soO final (amazing final and a good seasom btw) was the last one that had no premier tournament winner.


Oh oups I read it too fast and missed the "two" (well written "to" but whatever), I thought he was speaking in regard to Cure, silly me.

It seems you posted right before I edited and it turns out we were wrong anyway . I think we would have to go back to soO vs Classic for no winner...

I was thinking two players who hadn't won a GSL previously. Didn't realize it was the previous two finals lol. Although it's much more interesting seeing the last time two non tournament winners made it to the finals.
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machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
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Last Edited: 2020-06-06 17:34:07
June 06 2020 09:49 GMT
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It is very impressive which players TY defeated to win this season.


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col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
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Last Edited: 2020-06-07 07:50:22
June 06 2020 10:16 GMT
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Damn TY bulldozed Cure. It was amazing how he dismantled Dark and defeated PartinG to get here too. Well done TY!

Edit: Apologies for the spoilers!
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-06 21:36:32
June 06 2020 11:25 GMT
#35
Cure advancing to the finals was a welcome surprise. It is always interesting to see someone reach this stage for the first time.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 06 2020 13:30 GMT
#36
What's with Terran off-racing? Flash, TY, Maru... Anti-Tesagi movement?
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