I'm not an expert but if you can get more bases safely, you'll probably focus on expanding rather than attacking. If it's safe to take another base, it's also hard to attack. So players will mostly try to get big economy and go to the late game. Of course you can rush or try to all in on every map, but on some it's simply not worth it. So those map are called macro I think.

Elentos

55593 Posts

January 25 2020 18:36 GMT

#82

On January 26 2020 01:03 Vision_ wrote:
When Blizzard introduce to community the pocket expand...

Indeed, it was after increasing the number of workers.. is it right ?

There's been maps with backdoor bases since Wings of Liberty.

Vision_

877 Posts

January 25 2020 20:11 GMT

#83

On January 26 2020 03:36 Elentos wrote:

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There's been maps with backdoor bases since Wings of Liberty.

Yes true, my mistake,

On January 26 2020 03:17 Microglycerin wrote:
I'm not an expert but if you can get more bases safely, you'll probably focus on expanding rather than attacking. If it's safe to take another base, it's also hard to attack. So players will mostly try to get big economy and go to the late game. Of course you can rush or try to all in on every map, but on some it's simply not worth it. So those map are called macro I think.

Really...it can be resume as a design issue.. Blizzard call "Macro maps" the little big maps...
As the size difference is none significant, so we can conclude overall that "Build Orders" were more impacted by the layout of a map on WoL and HoTS, than actually, with the "12-workers economy system".

Also, It s a loss of strategic wealth which can be identify as a part of uniformity loss.

ObsidianScabbard

Netherlands6 Posts

January 25 2020 21:57 GMT

#84

Quickly drew this up in class. Looks like I already have a contender. Good luck everyone else!

Drfilip

Sweden592 Posts

January 26 2020 10:54 GMT

#85

On January 26 2020 05:11 Vision_ wrote:

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Yes true, my mistake,

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Macro maps have always been a community word. Blizzard did introduce that term. Macro maps exist in other RTS as well.
Macro map is not about the size. It is about the way the games on that map usually play out. Size is one helping factor, but it is not the deciding factor. The most often referred to factor, by casters, is the ease of securing a third/fourth base.
In HotS beta there was a macro map with a semi pocket expand (collapsing rock tower needed to fall) as a third base. That was Akilon Wastes. That map stayed long and got played often. Zerg could get to 4 bases and the other races could macro up safely on 3 bases.
Akilon Wasres was a big map, falling into the macro size category. Another of the HotS macro maps is Echo. That map had a standard map playable area, but it was THE Macro map. That map delayed schedules because of game lenghts.

It is not really about size. It is definitely not about amount of workers at the start. If it is hard to defend bases, the games will be aggressive. If it is easy to defend bases and secure additional bases, the games will be macro.

Agaton

Sweden47 Posts

January 27 2020 00:23 GMT

#86

Alright, here are my submissions:

Corrosive Sky (Rush)
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Idea blatantly stolen from ObsidianScabbard's sketch.
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Interitus (Rush)
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122x136

Pillars of Gold (Standard)
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Cryostation (Standard)
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Electron (Macro)
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148x148 (oof)
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Mystic's Mirage (Challenge)
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Edit: updates made to all maps. Images updated.

TiberiusA

United States39 Posts

January 27 2020 01:41 GMT

#87

For the challenge, I would like to see something like a central low-ground path, kind of like Frozen Temple, but with speed zones along it. Essentially like a fast alleyway that's vulnerable to attack.

On January 27 2020 09:23 Agaton wrote:
Alright, here are my submissions:

Corrosive Sky (Rush)
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Idea blatantly stolen from ObsidianScabbard's sketch.
126x126
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Interitus (Rush)
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122x136

Pillars of Gold (Standard)
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136x138

Cryostation (Standard)
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138x134

Electron (Macro)
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148x148 (oof)
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Mystic's Mirage (Challenge)
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158x118

All these maps look really nice.

themusic246

United States214 Posts

January 27 2020 05:26 GMT

#88

My submissions

Oxide [Rush]
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2000 Atmospheres [Standard]
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Sidewinder [Standard]
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Nemesis [Macro]
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Ice and Chrome [Macro]
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Mainframe [Challenge]
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CharactR

Canada111 Posts

January 27 2020 11:14 GMT

#89

My Current Submissions

Rush
Hellfire
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Standard
Quicksand
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Blood Moon
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Macro
Golden Oasis
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I would like to note my previous tl account was invalid99 and i had prevously made a thread for this map. only reason i made another one is i guess i kinda wanted to rebrand or whatever

Ecostation
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Challenge
Arcade (Still very much a wip aesthetically)
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edit: added Blood moon and moved Quicksand to standard.

IeZaeL

Italy991 Posts

January 27 2020 13:10 GMT

#90

This is what I'm most likely to end up submitting. A mix of new and old maps

Neo Matchpoint - Standard
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Rise And Fall - Standard
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Seawatch - Macro
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Monte Carlo - Macro
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Harvest - Challenge
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Skyfall - Challenge
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Enjoy!

anarchay

19 Posts

January 28 2020 02:10 GMT

#91

I'm a newer mapper, this is my first TLMC. Here are my submissions so far!

Edit: Maps updated with changes due to Pre-Feedback! Also, I re-named La Mancha to Outsider. Fit the map theme better and it was honestly disrespectful to brood war's La Mancha. Lots of aesthetic updates on Forgotten Strand, Fulfilled Promises, Outsider!

Faded Dynasty - Rush
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Forgotten Strand - Standard
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Fulfilled Promises - Challenge #1
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Hidden Rain - Macro
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Outsider - Standard
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Nimbus Point - Rush
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ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

January 28 2020 05:23 GMT

#92

Well the first cut of the unofficial list is up: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/554492-announcing-tlnet-map-contest-14?page=4#61 . I'll be adding maps as people reveal them.

Microglycerin

7 Posts

January 28 2020 10:43 GMT

#93

My submission:

Yogi's Great Escape - Macro
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MarcusRife

343 Posts

January 28 2020 19:40 GMT

#94

On January 26 2020 06:57 ObsidianScabbard wrote:
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Quickly drew this up in class. Looks like I already have a contender. Good luck everyone else!

You are aware you actually have to make the map, right?

MarcusRife

343 Posts

January 28 2020 21:18 GMT

#95

Here are my two submissions.

Crack of Doom - Standard
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Groombridge - Macro
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Drfilip

Sweden592 Posts

January 29 2020 09:13 GMT

#96

I am glad to see that there are some maps here that aren't 2 player maps with rotational symmetry. There are some 4 player maps and some maps with mirror symmetry.

On January 27 2020 22:10 IeZaeL wrote:
Neo Matchpoint - Standard
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This map is labelled standard. Does it really play out like that? I am genuinly curious. It looks like with a pocket expansion, easy 3 base and easy 4 base, this would be a macro map. There is only 1 entrance for 3 bases and 2 entrances for 4 bases. Maybe the tiny area of the pocket base makes it hard to defend vs aerial assaults, and that is what makes it a non-macro map.