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On October 07 2019 22:52 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2019 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote:
Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know:
a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go.
b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not.
That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. And you're not a player who's trying to prepare his best for the blizzcon group while not knowing in which group you end. I dont know, I obviously dont speak Korean, and i even missed some of the interviews so i'm not aware exactly what was being said, but to me it seemed that nobody really gave much thought to Classic not making it to Blizzcon, like non of the pros were taking that possibility into account. Previously I said that no way Blizz has enough pull to postpone Classic's military service, but ever since then there wasnt any talk about that, so I sortof reached the conclusion that Classic will attend Blizzcon, he managed to postpone it but there wasnt any big announcement about it? maybe because him missing Blizzcon wasnt announced either, so there wasnt anything to refute/take back, since it was all speculation from the casters? Maybe?
Blizzard didn't have the anything before(top player missed blizzcon before) and won't have anything now. Classic may be the reason why the groups are being played in Korea and they hope he will provide some smiles and TY enters the scene. Who knows. Certainly not the fans, it's possible players know but are obliged to be silent...
The silence isn't funny and the fact they don't even fix the BL range BEFORE the Blizzcon speaks another thing(while being at rant at Blizzard)
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On October 07 2019 23:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2019 22:52 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 07 2019 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote:
Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know:
a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go.
b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not.
That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. And you're not a player who's trying to prepare his best for the blizzcon group while not knowing in which group you end. I dont know, I obviously dont speak Korean, and i even missed some of the interviews so i'm not aware exactly what was being said, but to me it seemed that nobody really gave much thought to Classic not making it to Blizzcon, like non of the pros were taking that possibility into account. Previously I said that no way Blizz has enough pull to postpone Classic's military service, but ever since then there wasnt any talk about that, so I sortof reached the conclusion that Classic will attend Blizzcon, he managed to postpone it but there wasnt any big announcement about it? maybe because him missing Blizzcon wasnt announced either, so there wasnt anything to refute/take back, since it was all speculation from the casters? Maybe? Blizzard didn't have the anything before(top player missed blizzcon before) and won't have anything now. Classic may be the reason why the groups are being played in Korea and they hope he will provide some smiles and TY enters the scene. Who knows. Certainly not the fans, it's possible players know but are obliged to be silent... The silence isn't funny and the fact they don't even fix the BL range BEFORE the Blizzcon speaks another thing(while being at rant at Blizzard)
Don't think the players know anything tangible. In this interview GuMiho gave after the Super Tournament Ro8, he acknowledged he still had a chance to make it if Classic dropped out.
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On October 07 2019 23:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2019 22:52 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 07 2019 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote:
Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know:
a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go.
b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not.
That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. And you're not a player who's trying to prepare his best for the blizzcon group while not knowing in which group you end. I dont know, I obviously dont speak Korean, and i even missed some of the interviews so i'm not aware exactly what was being said, but to me it seemed that nobody really gave much thought to Classic not making it to Blizzcon, like non of the pros were taking that possibility into account. Previously I said that no way Blizz has enough pull to postpone Classic's military service, but ever since then there wasnt any talk about that, so I sortof reached the conclusion that Classic will attend Blizzcon, he managed to postpone it but there wasnt any big announcement about it? maybe because him missing Blizzcon wasnt announced either, so there wasnt anything to refute/take back, since it was all speculation from the casters? Maybe? Blizzard didn't have the anything before(top player missed blizzcon before) and won't have anything now. Classic may be the reason why the groups are being played in Korea and they hope he will provide some smiles and TY enters the scene. Who knows. Certainly not the fans, it's possible players know but are obliged to be silent... The silence isn't funny and the fact they don't even fix the BL range BEFORE the Blizzcon speaks another thing(while being at rant at Blizzard)
I really don't think they give enough of a shit about Classic to make an executive decision based on him.
Playing group stage in Korea is probably a way to cut cost, half the player are already there, you can get Tastosis to cast, the studio and the staff are already there and on top of that there will be an audience to cast it. (plus it probably make the GSL guys happy)
I'm guessing Classic dosen't know himself and his stuck in administrative limbo, waiting to know if his visa is approved. If not we should know when the anounce the casters.
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On October 07 2019 16:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2019 16:37 Shuffleblade wrote:
Dark looked positively unbeatable against TY, he made zerg look OP.
Imagine for a moment if Dark did a proxy hatch that completely failed and lost, then did a ravager all-in that did no damage and lost, then went for a super greedy build and died to hellbats. And then they play game 4 but TY does slightly better in some aspects and ends up winning 4-0. Did he make Terran look OP?
It does say something when a player like TY who has historically favoured playing macro and going to lategame in all matchups is suddenly trying so many risky strategies
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On October 08 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2019 16:44 Elentos wrote:On October 07 2019 16:37 Shuffleblade wrote:
Dark looked positively unbeatable against TY, he made zerg look OP.
Imagine for a moment if Dark did a proxy hatch that completely failed and lost, then did a ravager all-in that did no damage and lost, then went for a super greedy build and died to hellbats. And then they play game 4 but TY does slightly better in some aspects and ends up winning 4-0. Did he make Terran look OP? It does say something when a player like TY who has historically favoured playing macro and going to lategame in all matchups is suddenly trying so many risky strategies
It's not like this is very sudden. For the better part of 2018 his go-to TvP strats were proxies or pulling the boys. Or doing both in one game. It's a definite sign of how much he dislikes the match-up right now, and of the fact that he thinks he has to catch Dark a bit off-guard to have a chance.
And in the end the closest thing to working was still him playing standard.
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On October 07 2019 23:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2019 22:52 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 07 2019 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote:
Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know:
a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go.
b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not.
That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. And you're not a player who's trying to prepare his best for the blizzcon group while not knowing in which group you end. I dont know, I obviously dont speak Korean, and i even missed some of the interviews so i'm not aware exactly what was being said, but to me it seemed that nobody really gave much thought to Classic not making it to Blizzcon, like non of the pros were taking that possibility into account. Previously I said that no way Blizz has enough pull to postpone Classic's military service, but ever since then there wasnt any talk about that, so I sortof reached the conclusion that Classic will attend Blizzcon, he managed to postpone it but there wasnt any big announcement about it? maybe because him missing Blizzcon wasnt announced either, so there wasnt anything to refute/take back, since it was all speculation from the casters? Maybe? Blizzard didn't have the anything before(top player missed blizzcon before) and won't have anything now. Classic may be the reason why the groups are being played in Korea and they hope he will provide some smiles and TY enters the scene. Who knows. Certainly not the fans, it's possible players know but are obliged to be silent... The silence isn't funny and the fact they don't even fix the BL range BEFORE the Blizzcon speaks another thing(while being at rant at Blizzard)
I am pretty disappointed they didn't at least do a minor balance patch before Blizzcon, fix the bug(?) with the broodlord leash range, and add the cooldown for nydus worm that they're already planning to do, even just those 2 small changes would've been great
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On October 08 2019 00:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:On October 07 2019 16:44 Elentos wrote:On October 07 2019 16:37 Shuffleblade wrote:
Dark looked positively unbeatable against TY, he made zerg look OP.
Imagine for a moment if Dark did a proxy hatch that completely failed and lost, then did a ravager all-in that did no damage and lost, then went for a super greedy build and died to hellbats. And then they play game 4 but TY does slightly better in some aspects and ends up winning 4-0. Did he make Terran look OP? It does say something when a player like TY who has historically favoured playing macro and going to lategame in all matchups is suddenly trying so many risky strategies It's not like this is very sudden. For the better part of 2018 his go-to TvP strats were proxies or pulling the boys.
Hmm wonder why that happened as well
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Amazed and so happy to see TY using so much Mech in TvP. Hoping Artosis and Noregret take another look at it on InDepth.
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On October 08 2019 01:28 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 00:47 Elentos wrote:On October 08 2019 00:30 Fango wrote:On October 07 2019 16:44 Elentos wrote:On October 07 2019 16:37 Shuffleblade wrote:
Dark looked positively unbeatable against TY, he made zerg look OP.
Imagine for a moment if Dark did a proxy hatch that completely failed and lost, then did a ravager all-in that did no damage and lost, then went for a super greedy build and died to hellbats. And then they play game 4 but TY does slightly better in some aspects and ends up winning 4-0. Did he make Terran look OP? It does say something when a player like TY who has historically favoured playing macro and going to lategame in all matchups is suddenly trying so many risky strategies It's not like this is very sudden. For the better part of 2018 his go-to TvP strats were proxies or pulling the boys. Hmm wonder why that happened as well
It's almost like I said why right after you cut off the quote.
But on many occasions that style didn't do him any favors.
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On October 08 2019 04:06 digmouse wrote:
Pouring one for TIME.
TIME and his group of free wins 
This is the only official news on Classic so far btw:
We'll know soon enough I guess.
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Holy fuck I don't see anyone that's attending Blizzcon being able to stop Dark. This guy is way too good. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark drops no maps at all and wins Blizzcon. The only player that I can see stopping him would be Maru if his wrist heals. Other than that, there is nobody can stop Dark right now. I mean he beat Soo, who reached so many GSL finals, along with other champions.
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It was nice to see confirmation of just how bad fleet beacon units are in high level play vs Terran.
It was nice seeing TY use builds and comps I always hoped to see Terrans use and for Parting and herO to respond so well on the fly but I feel like the series would have been so much better if Carriers, Tempests and Voidrays weren't so bad.
Its a shame because Protoss has no other option vs enough Siege tanks or Lurkers. At this point once I see Protoss making tempests in a somewhat even game I expect Protoss to lose.
It would have been great if I could see Protoss make that transition in a series like herO vs TY and be hyped for the next phase of play. Yamato & EMP are just so good vs anything protoss can make. Hopefully the Patch will be different to what they showed and next years meta will be better. Hoping to see more games like TY vs herO/Parting but with better balance.
Pity seeing the amount of allins people felt like they had to do vs Zerg, especially Stats with 3 cannon rushes over 2 bo5s. Its a bit concerning for blizzcon.
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On October 08 2019 06:41 fgonzo wrote:
Holy fuck I don't see anyone that's attending Blizzcon being able to stop Dark. This guy is way too good. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark drops no maps at all and wins Blizzcon. The only player that I can see stopping him would be Maru if his wrist heals. Other than that, there is nobody can stop Dark right now. I mean he beat Soo, who reached so many GSL finals, along with other champions.
Hes a beast but...havent examined data but pretty sure Serral has a nasty map score vs him. I would bet on Serral beating him but thats if he makes it passed Stats and Maru.
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On October 08 2019 01:26 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2019 23:31 deacon.frost wrote:On October 07 2019 22:52 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 07 2019 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote:
Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know:
a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go.
b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not.
That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. And you're not a player who's trying to prepare his best for the blizzcon group while not knowing in which group you end. I dont know, I obviously dont speak Korean, and i even missed some of the interviews so i'm not aware exactly what was being said, but to me it seemed that nobody really gave much thought to Classic not making it to Blizzcon, like non of the pros were taking that possibility into account. Previously I said that no way Blizz has enough pull to postpone Classic's military service, but ever since then there wasnt any talk about that, so I sortof reached the conclusion that Classic will attend Blizzcon, he managed to postpone it but there wasnt any big announcement about it? maybe because him missing Blizzcon wasnt announced either, so there wasnt anything to refute/take back, since it was all speculation from the casters? Maybe? Blizzard didn't have the anything before(top player missed blizzcon before) and won't have anything now. Classic may be the reason why the groups are being played in Korea and they hope he will provide some smiles and TY enters the scene. Who knows. Certainly not the fans, it's possible players know but are obliged to be silent... The silence isn't funny and the fact they don't even fix the BL range BEFORE the Blizzcon speaks another thing(while being at rant at Blizzard) I am pretty disappointed they didn't at least do a minor balance patch before Blizzcon, fix the bug(?) with the broodlord leash range, and add the cooldown for nydus worm that they're already planning to do, even just those 2 small changes would've been great
Yeah that's not how they make changes though - and for good reason. They would need to test it thoroughly before launching it - even something as "minor" as nerfing BL range and nydus cooldown can have a huge impact on the overall balance of the matchups and would most likely require some form of compensation which they'd also need to test - not a realistic timeline to complete before blizzcon on top of the load of changes they are trying to dev for post blizzcon. It is what it is at this point - I'm hoping amazing play from Maru / Stats / Trap will still make for competitive close series with Dark/Serral. You never know too might not be any of those 5 that win - it is a weekender after all! Very hyped.
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On October 08 2019 06:41 fgonzo wrote:
Holy fuck I don't see anyone that's attending Blizzcon being able to stop Dark. This guy is way too good. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark drops no maps at all and wins Blizzcon. The only player that I can see stopping him would be Maru if his wrist heals. Other than that, there is nobody can stop Dark right now. I mean he beat Soo, who reached so many GSL finals, along with other champions.
He will make it far if he doesn't run into any European zerg.
If he does run into 1, his chances of progressing is not high
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Dark's zvp and zvt are strong due to his play style but he seems to be weaker in his ZvZ. Reynor and Serral can most probably take him down if they meet at blizzcon. However, I don't see a foreign protoss or Terran who can put up a fight against dark.
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On October 08 2019 08:45 DomeGetta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2019 01:26 Die4Ever wrote:On October 07 2019 23:31 deacon.frost wrote:On October 07 2019 22:52 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 07 2019 21:25 deacon.frost wrote:On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote:
Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know:
a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go.
b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not.
That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. And you're not a player who's trying to prepare his best for the blizzcon group while not knowing in which group you end. I dont know, I obviously dont speak Korean, and i even missed some of the interviews so i'm not aware exactly what was being said, but to me it seemed that nobody really gave much thought to Classic not making it to Blizzcon, like non of the pros were taking that possibility into account. Previously I said that no way Blizz has enough pull to postpone Classic's military service, but ever since then there wasnt any talk about that, so I sortof reached the conclusion that Classic will attend Blizzcon, he managed to postpone it but there wasnt any big announcement about it? maybe because him missing Blizzcon wasnt announced either, so there wasnt anything to refute/take back, since it was all speculation from the casters? Maybe? Blizzard didn't have the anything before(top player missed blizzcon before) and won't have anything now. Classic may be the reason why the groups are being played in Korea and they hope he will provide some smiles and TY enters the scene. Who knows. Certainly not the fans, it's possible players know but are obliged to be silent... The silence isn't funny and the fact they don't even fix the BL range BEFORE the Blizzcon speaks another thing(while being at rant at Blizzard) I am pretty disappointed they didn't at least do a minor balance patch before Blizzcon, fix the bug(?) with the broodlord leash range, and add the cooldown for nydus worm that they're already planning to do, even just those 2 small changes would've been great Yeah that's not how they make changes though - and for good reason. They would need to test it thoroughly before launching it - even something as "minor" as nerfing BL range and nydus cooldown can have a huge impact on the overall balance of the matchups and would most likely require some form of compensation which they'd also need to test - not a realistic timeline to complete before blizzcon on top of the load of changes they are trying to dev for post blizzcon. It is what it is at this point - I'm hoping amazing play from Maru / Stats / Trap will still make for competitive close series with Dark/Serral. You never know too might not be any of those 5 that win - it is a weekender after all! Very hyped.
Nonsense, they know about the BL range for over a month, it should have been already tested and now the fix should haev been deployed. It didn't happen because they don't care about SC2 enough. IMO.
Edit> To be super annoying - how is possible they "got to know" about the BL range just now? It's been this way from WoL. Shouldn't the BL be tested already? Why we need testing the change of BL when BL apparantely wasn't tested either 
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I am a terran player so I would like there is Ty in the final 8, but that will not be fair and really frustrating for Classic if he cannot attend Blizzcon after such an impressive year.
Hope he will get a special delay again.
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Haha they could've just mentioned Classic by name
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