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NewModel
Germany117 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4281 Posts
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Miralem Ibrahim
29 Posts
I think both Rogue and Dark if they want to win Blizzcon they had to make intensive training on EU server. | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany2388 Posts
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Elentos
48681 Posts
On October 07 2019 14:00 DomeGetta wrote: Im hoping Maru was holding back in ST vs Dark By all accounts he was trying his hardest to win in order to minimize the chances of ending up in a Blizzcon group with Serral and Stats. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1588 Posts
Dark was ahead cruising to a win in every game except the last one and the reason it was close then was because he was too cocky and counter attacked instead of properly defending his expansion. TY got critical damage done that leveled the playing field in that game, Dark still took it though. The second game (I think it was second) was the most telling, TY went for 2-1-1 with a very invested hellbat followup attack with 0 upgrades behind it. The attack was easily defended by Dark who was still up a lot in drones, TY was just easily finished off with wave after wave of lingt/bane after that. It just feels like Dark can play safe, defend any early pressure while still getting ahead economically and then just roll over TY with endless ling/bane. Mech didn't work to counter it because then Dark just teched to hydras and vipers, mines didn't work against either Dark just split and controlled well. What would work? I can't believe Dark got behind in game 4 from TYs pressure and went mass ling/bling against TYs bio/mine play with drilling claws and still just outplayed TY. Not balance whining just saying Dark looked he played a fourth race with no weakness in this series. | ||
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Elentos
48681 Posts
On October 07 2019 16:37 Shuffleblade wrote: Dark looked positively unbeatable against TY, he made zerg look OP. Imagine for a moment if Dark did a proxy hatch that completely failed and lost, then did a ravager all-in that did no damage and lost, then went for a super greedy build and died to hellbats. And then they play game 4 but TY does slightly better in some aspects and ends up winning 4-0. Did he make Terran look OP? | ||
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gulii
Sweden2785 Posts
Hopefully you won't play Elazer in the first round of Blizzcon..  | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1588 Posts
On October 07 2019 16:44 Elentos wrote: Imagine for a moment if Dark did a proxy hatch that completely failed and lost, then did a ravager all-in that did no damage and lost, then went for a super greedy build and died to hellbats. And then they play game 4 but TY does slightly better in some aspects and ends up winning 4-0. Did he make Terran look OP? First game aside, second game was not an all in, it was a dedicated push and yes, if Dark did the same kind of invested attack against a greedy TY were Dark seemed unable to do any damage at all against TY then yes TY would have made terran look OP. If any race can greed and easily defend that level of invested timing attacks that race looks OP. Third game looked nothing like you describe, sure TY went for a greedy build, Dark for a dedicated push that did damage but TY survived and was put roughly 10 workers behind in a 3 base vs 3 base scenario. TYs position was actually not that bad after surviving the the ravager push. Game 4, Dark did slightly better in some aspects, lol. Dark was so confident he could defend TYs attack he sent what 25 lings ish to counter attack? Dark was up 16 workers and a base and still choose to counter attack, that shows how lightly he takes TYs attack. Yes if any race can be greedy, up a base and 16 workers and feel they have the leeway to split off almost half their army to counter attack when the opponent is attacking him then yes that race looks OP. Stop spouting nonsense about games that didn't happen, the first game was the only game you described accurately. | ||
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Ej_
45968 Posts
And yes, hellbat 2-1-1 is a cheese, not a good build for macro games. Neither is losing SCVs in main to banelings that were morphed there by the Zerg. And Dark wasn't greedy, he made a bane nest vs 211. It would have been greedy if he hadn't. And he would have lost the game then. | ||
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machinus
United States217 Posts
He would not have opened with cheese so many times if there was a winning late game plan in TvP. TY is better than you. You can trust that he chose the builds that gave him the best odds vs. Zerg. | ||
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NotSoHappy
276 Posts
On October 07 2019 17:31 machinus wrote: TY is a master macro player. He would not have opened with cheese so many times if there was a winning late game plan in TvP. TY is better than you. You can trust that he chose the builds that gave him the best odds vs. Zerg. afair Ty has losing record vs Dark, so I wasn't really shocked he lost. @blizzcon stats maru serral time into TY soo serral time if classic won't go. I wish he does, even tho I like TY. | ||
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Poopi
France9290 Posts
a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go. b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not. That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1007 Posts
On October 07 2019 17:31 machinus wrote: TY is a master macro player. He would not have opened with cheese so many times if there was a winning late game plan in TvP. TY is better than you. You can trust that he chose the builds that gave him the best odds vs. Zerg. TYs vs Z has always been a bit overrated. Its no surprise he got trashed by top form Dark. Even though it wasnt always the case in the past year or so, Dark is probably the best ZvT player of all time. When he is in this kind of form I dont see a Terran besides Maru who can stand up to him that is just how good he is in the matchup. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1007 Posts
On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote: Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know: a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go. b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not. That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. Same here... And I dont even know what I would like better. Obviously it would be great to have TY but the possibility to have this group is super awesome as well. Anyone could advance from these 4. 3 of them are top 5 contenders, and Time has shown he has to potential to snipe even Serral if he prepares well. Just insane. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1588 Posts
On October 07 2019 17:24 Ej_ wrote: TY's position on Thunderbird was fairly awful after the ravager attack. And yes, hellbat 2-1-1 is a cheese, not a good build for macro games. Neither is losing SCVs in main to banelings that were morphed there by the Zerg. And Dark wasn't greedy, he made a bane nest vs 211. It would have been greedy if he hadn't. And he would have lost the game then. Yeah I can agree with that, I don't believe he would have lost the game against the normal 2-1-1 marine medivac timing if he had built the baneling nest later. Still overall you are right, still think Darks play was bloody amazing. I still get shocked at what qualifies as "cheese" nowadays, he starts his third 6:20, sure it is late and it is not a macro build. Is that really what builds are nowadays, macro builds or cheese builds and thats all there is? What is a normal build then? In my mind there are macro builds revolving around only defending early, macro builds that integrate harassment to slow the opponent. Balanced builds that revolve around more intricate harassment to try and get ahead through doing economic damage or forcing the opponent to invest in defenses to avoid massive damage and therefore can't be too greedy. Agressive builds like the 2-1-1 into hellbat that still does lead into the midgame but rely on dealing heavy damage to the opponent through harass or a lot of direct damage. Cheese builds that doesn't transition into the midgame and revolve around winning with the attack or to lose if it fails. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia17161 Posts
On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote: Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know: a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go. b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not. That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. If it is a scenario where the government has not given him a decision: There is no reason to be pissed. Classic lives in a country that has mandatory service because an extremely volatile and dangerous country sits at their border. We need to be patient and understanding of their culture and government and allow their process to happen as they see fit. If Classic already knows and for some reason is withholding this information then I guess you could be pissed, but I defer to patience and understanding and encourage you to do so too. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic8873 Posts
On October 07 2019 18:13 Poopi wrote: Am I the only one that is getting a bit pissed about the whole Classic thing? We still don't know if he is going or not, so we don't know: a) if TY qualifies to BlizzCon allowing 2 korean terrans to go. b) if Maru is in the group of death with Serral, Stats and TIME or not. That's hella annoying :/. Hopefully we get some news soon. And you're not a player who's trying to prepare his best for the blizzcon group while not knowing in which group you end. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany2694 Posts
On October 07 2019 20:56 BisuDagger wrote: If it is a scenario where the government has not given him a decision: There is no reason to be pissed. Classic lives in a country that has mandatory service because an extremely volatile and dangerous country sits at their border. We need to be patient and understanding of their culture and government and allow their process to happen as they see fit. If Classic already knows and for some reason is withholding this information then I guess you could be pissed, but I defer to patience and understanding and encourage you to do so too. Yeah sure, but this thing starts in 2 weeks. If I were a player, I would really like to use those 2 weeks to prepare builds and study opponents | ||
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Geo.Rion
6395 Posts
On October 07 2019 21:25 deacon.frost wrote: And you're not a player who's trying to prepare his best for the blizzcon group while not knowing in which group you end. I dont know, I obviously dont speak Korean, and i even missed some of the interviews so i'm not aware exactly what was being said, but to me it seemed that nobody really gave much thought to Classic not making it to Blizzcon, like non of the pros were taking that possibility into account. Previously I said that no way Blizz has enough pull to postpone Classic's military service, but ever since then there wasnt any talk about that, so I sortof reached the conclusion that Classic will attend Blizzcon, he managed to postpone it but there wasnt any big announcement about it? maybe because him missing Blizzcon wasnt announced either, so there wasnt anything to refute/take back, since it was all speculation from the casters? Maybe? | ||
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