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Code S champs Dark, Maru fall on day 1 of GSL vs. The World

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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
August 16 2019 02:13 GMT
#72
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form.
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col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-16 02:24:53
August 16 2019 02:18 GMT
#73
Biggest GSL fan here but I'm so happy to see the results yesterday. The World's catching up and that makes for a more gripping viewing experience.

- Elazer vs Dark: You could tell the latest GSL champ's pre-match interview tone was different this time, and for good reason. Like Artosis said: "There's only so many times you can say you'll crush the foreigners only to be beaten". The rest is history. Twitch chat were horribly savage towards Elazer at the start and I'm happy he put the doubters in their place. Bad luck Dark though! You could tell he was feeling a bit emo during the Team Selections afterwards haha. As much of a troll/BM Dark is, he's quite a nice guy in real life. Every time I met him at the GSL studios he was always happy to have a quick chat and photo op.

- TIME vs soO: TIME was AMAZING at ASUS Rog and I honestly felt Serral was lucky he even won. For this match, I knew he was going to be on the ball again during that initial marine/tank push. Such crisp micro and execution--it felt like I was watching Maru, Byun or Bomber at his prime. The mech game wasn't even that bad either--he's quite a masterful harasser and managed to keep soO at bay in order to remax on Thors several times. With that said TIME was pretty lucky he won that game--those Cyclones reinforcements came just in the nick of time.
This young Chinese player is just incredible and I hope he keeps it up. His TvZ right now is among the best in the world, although we've yet to see whether his ultra TvZ late-game is up there with Maru and TY.

- Maru vs Stats: Won't lie, this was sad. Maru's my fav but I had a feeling Stats might beat him.

- Neeb vs Showtime: Close series. Better luck next time Showtime!

Today's match: Hoping TY can take it against Serral. Would love him to get revenge for HomeStory Cup.

Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
August 16 2019 02:34 GMT
#74
On August 16 2019 11:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form.

the first two are correct
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ChinClassic
Profile Joined January 2019
19 Posts
August 16 2019 02:55 GMT
#75
It is a sad day for Liquibet.
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
August 16 2019 03:00 GMT
#76
On August 16 2019 11:55 ChinClassic wrote:
It is a sad day for Liquibet.

It's okay, it sounds like everyone else lost just as hard.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
mpmaley86
Profile Joined May 2019
115 Posts
August 16 2019 03:58 GMT
#77
Why no VODs up yet?
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
August 16 2019 05:11 GMT
#78
On August 16 2019 11:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form.


His 4th GSL win was outside of the proxy meta
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Meeii
Profile Joined July 2015
155 Posts
August 16 2019 05:12 GMT
#79
On August 15 2019 23:55 AttackZerg wrote:
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On August 15 2019 23:05 Danjiapao wrote:
As a Chinese, I can't imagine TIME winning so easily


I could.

He has had some of the most well thought out builds tvz in the last while.

He also exploits map features more regularly then everyone else.

I thought Serral was lucky to beat him in asus rog.




Yeah he I think he can go far as long as he keep going bio. I think he lost every single battle mech game he did against Serral and even if he sometimes got into a good position he couldn't finish it.
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
August 16 2019 05:58 GMT
#80
Grats to elazer after the first game fail by Dark he got smashed in game 2-3 but managed to come back. He was shaking so much still could pull it off.

It was a great and close series , its crazy how much worse Dark's zvz is than his other matchups, which are god tier.

About Maru i dont know, he doesnt seem to have the hunger to win. Disappointed in him
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 16 2019 06:53 GMT
#81
On August 16 2019 04:01 Argonauta wrote:
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On August 16 2019 02:43 deacon.frost wrote:
On August 16 2019 01:07 AttackZerg wrote:
Oh... and to voting that scandalized so many of you.

I said, "Elazer better show and up play well because he earned a lot of anti fans".

He showed up and beat the (imo) number 2 zerg in the world. Gotta say I'm impressed.

I now hope he parlays this into an incredible result.

I think he is one of the most interesting zerg players around, let's see if he has the dragon blood to keep going.

Yeah, but had he faced any other race than Zerg he would have been out, so let's be fair here Maybe not against Fanta

On August 16 2019 02:31 Poopi wrote:
On August 16 2019 02:16 La1 wrote:
On August 16 2019 01:17 parksonsc wrote:

Then explain to me about his 4 GSL wins? Did all his opponent not know how to study him? Come on, even if you are a hater, Maru's play is truly godlike when he's on point.


you watch some of those games back and honestly it doesn't look like they do. or to be honest at least 2 of his GSLs were vs a lot of protoss when the proxy rax/cyclone thing was around which was actually impossible to play against and was really coin-flippy. I remember him beating neeb with just maruders in another proxy as you couldn't confirm which Proxy version of the proxy it was.

I also think it's easier to win GSLs now as you get to move people in the group which to me basically means your vs the two worst players so you basically get a bye to the RO8.

He clearly is an amazing player and has some of the best micro in the game but it's nice to see what i consider gimicky stuff get crushed. hes a Patch Terran



Actually he is the one Terran who can win on shit patches.

Not this time though.

INno is the Terran who win when Terran is strong

Even when Maru was playing godlike in GSL he didn't deliver outside of Code S. Not even on the day1 where the preparational argument cannot be made as he had the time to prepare... so either he doesn't care or there's a mental issue.

On August 16 2019 02:16 La1 wrote:
On August 16 2019 01:17 parksonsc wrote:

Then explain to me about his 4 GSL wins? Did all his opponent not know how to study him? Come on, even if you are a hater, Maru's play is truly godlike when he's on point.


you watch some of those games back and honestly it doesn't look like they do. or to be honest at least 2 of his GSLs were vs a lot of protoss when the proxy rax/cyclone thing was around which was actually impossible to play against and was really coin-flippy. I remember him beating neeb with just maruders in another proxy as you couldn't confirm which Proxy version of the proxy it was.

I also think it's easier to win GSLs now as you get to move people in the group which to me basically means your vs the two worst players so you basically get a bye to the RO8.

He clearly is an amazing player and has some of the best micro in the game but it's nice to see what i consider gimicky stuff get crushed. hes a Patch Terran



Uh, he won 4 consecutive Code S titles during several patches, the patch word cannot be used (he won the last one after the major afterBlizzcon patch either...)

You still have to go through RO8/4/Finals. So the easier argument is iffy, also he had to win the first Code S to get the right to move people around, he had to qualify for the first won WESG(through the Korean qualifier)... but sure, it's easier.


Except when he won this year's chinese invitational or when he won WESG last year. The fact that he went ro8 and ro4 at blizzcon and katowice last year (eliminated by two of his teanmates) also begs to disagree with you. Lets face it winning 4 GSL in a row makes that or you win a tournament or you are overhyped/out of shape/bad/your results were a fluke or whatever. But the fact that no other, besides Serral, is taken in such high standarts speaks for his skills. Also people here act like if Stats was not the fucking best protoss of LOTV or something. And stats is on fire right now.

OK, so Maru is heavily dominating the Code S yet he is incapable of showing the same domination outside of Code S. Aw. Yeah, he won the invitational where he played player a level bellow him, what a champ! C'mon, I love Maru, but his play in Code S RO8 and forward and everything else is like night and day. He's capable of some incredible plays when he wants, but sometimes it appears he doesn't want to play the game.

And sure, he got a stop by teammates, especially sOs read him like a book, at the same time - check how he played in the Code S and then compare it to his play in those tournaments. He. Was. Worse.
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dalaiisc2
Profile Joined May 2016
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-16 12:58:45
August 16 2019 12:57 GMT
#82
tbh, dark deserved the loss against elazer. the drone pull in game one and the mass ling allin in game two really showed, that he didnt take elazer seriously. if he would have played with a more serious note, like in game 3 and onwards, he would have won the series.

tbh, i dont think that elazer has the slightliest chance against time, but atleast dark hopefully learned, that he has to take every opponent serious, even if its "only" elazer.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15925 Posts
August 16 2019 13:10 GMT
#83
On August 16 2019 14:11 Argonauta wrote:
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On August 16 2019 11:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form.


His 4th GSL win was outside of the proxy meta

his 1st and 2nd too. He 4-1ed Classic in season 2 who seemed unbeatable in the matchup with mostly straight up play, probably the most impressive display of skill I've ever seen.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4187 Posts
August 16 2019 13:39 GMT
#84
daaaamn.. 5 foreigners and only 3 koreans in the top8?

first time this happened in some major tournament right? or at least first time in "ages"?

also - go, go Elazer ! ! !
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
August 16 2019 13:46 GMT
#85
On August 16 2019 22:39 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
daaaamn.. 5 foreigners and only 3 koreans in the top8?

first time this happened in some major tournament right? or at least first time in "ages"?

also - go, go Elazer ! ! !

If the draw would be korean - foreigner then the ratio would have looked differently. 3 Koreans lost and two of whom were expected losses. while 2 another Koreans lost to Koreans.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
August 16 2019 13:46 GMT
#86
On August 16 2019 22:39 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
daaaamn.. 5 foreigners and only 3 koreans in the top8?

first time this happened in some major tournament right? or at least first time in "ages"?

also - go, go Elazer ! ! !

Yeah, although this is quite possibly the best bracket the non-Koreans could have ever hoped for, it's still good to see them capitalize on it.
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alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany628 Posts
August 16 2019 17:09 GMT
#87
On August 16 2019 21:57 dalaiisc2 wrote:
tbh, dark deserved the loss against elazer. the drone pull in game one and the mass ling allin in game two really showed, that he didnt take elazer seriously. if he would have played with a more serious note, like in game 3 and onwards, he would have won the series.

tbh, i dont think that elazer has the slightliest chance against time, but atleast dark hopefully learned, that he has to take every opponent serious, even if its "only" elazer.


Elazer is a ZvZ monster in his own right and is continually underestimated not only by his korean opponents but by the TL community aswell. Just go check the GSLvWorld voting thread and take a look at how upset some people were by elazers nomination.

imho. the guy is great.
MoonyD
Profile Joined December 2013
Australia191 Posts
August 16 2019 18:23 GMT
#88
Talk about crazy upsets. I think Stats beating Maru is somewhat expected though given that Stats usually have Maru's number. But to see Dark, soO and Reynor all fall so is crazy! Especially seeing as some of them were 0-3 sweeps.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 16 2019 18:56 GMT
#89
On August 16 2019 11:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form.

Did you watch any of his GSLs outside of 2018 season 3?

Season 1 - 9-4 in TvP with 2 proxy games, Beat Dear, sOs, and Stats.

Season 2 - 12-2 in TvP with 1 proxy game. Beat Dear, Patience, Classic, and Zest.

Season 3 - 6-1 in TvP with 7 proxy games. Beat Neeb and Zest.

Season 4 - 13-3 in TvP with 0 proxy games. Beat herO, Dear, Trap, and Classic.

These stats might be a bit off as I did them from memory, but the point was he only proxied heavily in 1/4 seasons that he won. The idea he was only good because of proxy meta is a joke.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25085 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-17 02:12:27
August 17 2019 02:11 GMT
#90
On August 17 2019 03:56 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2019 11:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form.

Did you watch any of his GSLs outside of 2018 season 3?

Season 1 - 9-4 in TvP with 2 proxy games, Beat Dear, sOs, and Stats.

Season 2 - 12-2 in TvP with 1 proxy game. Beat Dear, Patience, Classic, and Zest.

Season 3 - 6-1 in TvP with 7 proxy games. Beat Neeb and Zest.

Season 4 - 13-3 in TvP with 0 proxy games. Beat herO, Dear, Trap, and Classic.

These stats might be a bit off as I did them from memory, but the point was he only proxied heavily in 1/4 seasons that he won. The idea he was only good because of proxy meta is a joke.

Pretty much, it’d be nice if people didn’t make such sweeping comments without you know, watching the games in question.

Especially given games like him against Dear from season 4 where he went for a true late game toe to toe and still won, can’t remember the set/map off hand but I’m sure you know the game
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ProFalseIdol
Profile Joined June 2018
70 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-18 22:44:35
August 18 2019 22:40 GMT
#91
On August 16 2019 00:43 NinjaNight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2019 23:42 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:

Blizzard should just kill this game once for all, (like they are doing with all their games) and restart with a new rts franchise in a couple of years.


Do you really think Blizzard would make a new RTS in only a couple years? =D


Yes definitely, but on mobile! We will all be micro-tapping!

As for Maru, it's obvious that he did not take this show match seriously just as he did the last time. By the way, a tournament without s0s is boring.
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