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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9025 Posts
June 27 2019 21:52 GMT
#21
I was fully expecting a surprise entry and see TaeJa as #1 since his reentry to GSL code S. But alas, I can settle for this.
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
June 28 2019 01:43 GMT
#22
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
June 28 2019 02:04 GMT
#23
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.
WeakOwl
Profile Joined December 2018
25 Posts
June 28 2019 03:36 GMT
#24
only thing wrong here is innovation and classic are mixed up.
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
June 28 2019 03:42 GMT
#25
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
June 28 2019 04:10 GMT
#26
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.


Yeah his ZvZ is better than Dark's but his ZvT is usually weaker. For ZvP, it's hard to say who is stronger (if I had to, I'd give it to Dark because he was crushing Protoss in GSL and outplayed Trap in the macro games). What gives Dark the edge in rankings is his GSL win.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 28 2019 08:37 GMT
#27
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Because Dark just won in the hardest competition while Serral is winning in WCS? From top20 players are what, 16 at GSL? Competition you run against matters.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 28 2019 09:54 GMT
#28
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

He's better in the h2h vs Dark, and I'd give him at least ZvZ. But no way is his ZvT better.

ZvP could go either way, but it's hard to argue Serral is decisively better when Dark just won GSL almost entirely off that matchup and Serral hasn't beaten a single high profile toss all year.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16029 Posts
June 28 2019 10:00 GMT
#29
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
burnturn
Profile Joined December 2015
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-28 17:48:02
June 28 2019 17:47 GMT
#30
On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?

This! Yeah if went by that then Neeb should have always been ahead of Serral and sOs over Maru.
Edit: Although sOs isnt decisively better he still beat him twice by a score of 3-1.

sOs is best
burnturn
Profile Joined December 2015
United States59 Posts
June 28 2019 18:00 GMT
#31
On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?


I don't know if people have seen this but here.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vawjcq2f7n4qh4/Meme_SerralEU.mp4?dl=0
sOs is best
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 28 2019 18:04 GMT
#32
On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?


Head to head shouldn't generally be a criteria, but Serral is indeed decisively ahead of Dark(games Serral played in 2015 aren't that relevant) while he is only slightly behind Neeb(Serral's famous 0-3 online defeat before BlizzCon heavily contributes since they are 11-14 in maps overall).
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16029 Posts
June 28 2019 18:08 GMT
#33
On June 29 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?


Head to head shouldn't generally be a criteria, but Serral is indeed decisively ahead of Dark(games Serral played in 2015 aren't that relevant) while he is only slightly behind Neeb(Serral's famous 0-3 online defeat before BlizzCon heavily contributes since they are 11-14 in maps overall).

TIL 9-5 is decisively ahead while 11-14 is only slightly behind
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 28 2019 18:12 GMT
#34
On June 29 2019 03:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:
On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?


Head to head shouldn't generally be a criteria, but Serral is indeed decisively ahead of Dark(games Serral played in 2015 aren't that relevant) while he is only slightly behind Neeb(Serral's famous 0-3 online defeat before BlizzCon heavily contributes since they are 11-14 in maps overall).

TIL 9-5 is decisively ahead while 11-14 is only slightly behind


9-5(3-1) is decisively ahead while 11-11(3-4) is only slightly behind, yes. I don't get why this should be relevant by any means, that's not the right argument. Also, I appreciated the OPM Serral vs Neeb meme.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
June 28 2019 18:20 GMT
#35
On June 29 2019 03:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2019 03:04 Xain0n wrote:
On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?


Head to head shouldn't generally be a criteria, but Serral is indeed decisively ahead of Dark(games Serral played in 2015 aren't that relevant) while he is only slightly behind Neeb(Serral's famous 0-3 online defeat before BlizzCon heavily contributes since they are 11-14 in maps overall).

TIL 9-5 is decisively ahead while 11-14 is only slightly behind

Well if you work 9 to 5 you decisively work too much and if you work from 11 to 14 you're slightly lazy.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Quasarrion
Profile Joined July 2018
60 Posts
June 28 2019 18:39 GMT
#36
Its really about styles and matchups,

Serral beats Dark lately, but he struggels againts Neeb a lot. While Dark humiliates Neeb every time they meet.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
June 28 2019 18:55 GMT
#37
On June 29 2019 03:39 Quasarrion wrote:
Its really about styles and matchups,

Serral beats Dark lately, but he struggels againts Neeb a lot. While Dark humiliates Neeb every time they meet.


that's a good point. Serral doesn't do great against Reynor but I don't think Reynor has 2nd or 3rd best ZvZ in the world; it's more like his style doesn't match up as well against Reynor for whatever reason (Reynor plays kind of unorthodox).
Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States459 Posts
June 28 2019 20:02 GMT
#38
It's almost like there are three different match-ups and players don't play to the same level in all match-ups. Head to Head should be considered but it definitely isn't the end all be all
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
June 28 2019 20:19 GMT
#39
Wonderful how we still have to tear down the same stupid arguments year after year.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain883 Posts
June 30 2019 10:11 GMT
#40
On June 29 2019 03:00 burnturn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2019 19:00 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 28 2019 12:42 necrosexy wrote:
On June 28 2019 11:04 Kalera wrote:
On June 28 2019 10:43 necrosexy wrote:
On June 27 2019 14:51 pvsnp wrote:
For once the #1 spot is uncontroversial. Guess that's what happens when GSL finished last week.

how the hell is Dark above a player he can't beat? ...


Ranking players isn't a linear A > B system.

Serral is above players he recently lost to (soO, Innovation, and now Stats) as well.

it's a toss up for serral vs soO, inno -- to a lesser degree, vs Stats
but he is decisively better than Dark. it's not close at all.

Neeb is decisively better than Serral, how is Serral ahead of Neeb?


I don't know if people have seen this but here.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7vawjcq2f7n4qh4/Meme_SerralEU.mp4?dl=0

LOL what a video
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