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SC2 Power Rank: June 2019

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
June 4th, 2019 12:20 GMT

Power Rank: June 2019

by TeamLiquid.net writers

Putting out a Power Rank right before the Code S playoffs? Some would say it's a risky move, but the TL.net writing staff does not fear the prospect of instant humiliation. No, the duty to deliver TL.net readers their monthly dose of drama is our first priority. But before we begin, the Power Rank criteria:

  • The Power Rank is an aggregate, average ranking of separate lists submitted by individual members of the TeamLiquid.net writing staff.
  • Criteria considered include, but are not limited to: Tournament placements, overall record, quality of opponents faced, and quality of play.
  • Recent results are weighted more heavily, but players receive benefit of the doubt for consistent performance over time.


Close, But No Cigar

(Wiki)RagnaroK: RagnaroK's playoff run at IEM Katowice seemed like it could be a fluke, but he backed it up with more strong ZvT on his way to a RO16 finish in GSL Code S. A rise into the top ten could be possible if he shores up his other match-ups.

(Wiki)SpeCial: SpeCial achieved two personal bests after pulling double-duty in Korea and on the Circuit, placing runner-up at WCS Spring and finishing top sixteen in GSL Code S (one map away from reaching the quarterfinals!). June won't give SpeCial many chances to show off his skills, but he'll have an opportunity to top his achievements in July's WCS Summer and Code S Season 3.

(Wiki)PartinG: PartinG almost took the #10 spot this month, but narrowly lost it to herO. While PartinG made an impressive run to the playoffs (defeating GuMiho and soO in his RO16 group), herO's success just seemed more sustained and 'real' compared to PartinG's sudden spring surge. This could end up being the ranking that comes back to bite us the hardest. On the bright side, PartinG trashing the TL.net Power Rank in a post-match interview would be some nice, free publicity.

#10

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herO
New!
herO returns to the ranks of the elite after being absent from the top ten for two months. Aside from GSL Code S—in which he managed to advance into his first quarterfinals since 2017 Season 1—herO’s been very active online. While only achieving an average record in the two Chinese team competitions (SCBoy's China Team Championship and NetEase’s Esports X Tournament, herO did win the OlimoLeague April finals and smashed his opposition in several Afreeca BJ Destruction matches, racking up a pretty solid winrate over the month in both maps and matches.

While it's easy to attribute herO's resurgence to his penchant for cheese, it has to be pointed out that his Code S run was built on solid, all-around TvP play. And though it may be too much to say he's going to macro his way through the GSL playoffs, he’s certainly looking like more than a lucky Protoss feasting off the current meta.


#9

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Gumiho
-4
After soaring up the rankings by carrying Terran-hope all the way to the finals of the GSL Super Tournament (defeating Dark, Stats, and PartinG along the way), GuMiho falls to ninth place in the Power Rank after narrowly missing out on a Code S playoff berth.

If GuMiho's Super Tournament run showed us how successful his unorthodox style can be if he gets a few lucky breaks (Dark's game five throw comes readily to mind), his Code S RO16 group showed how disastrously he can fail when things go wrong. Against PartinG, GuMiho lost to Dark Templars after expending two scans to kill an Observer (and failing at that), and then he lost his crucial decider match against soO when his proxy-Barracks were quickly scouted by an Overlord. Though GuMiho has a puncher's chance against any opponent, his ranking inevitably suffers when he fails to connect with those knockout blows.


#8

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soO
+1
It's been hard to tell what to make of soO ever since he won that career-affirming championship at IEM Katowice. He was eliminated from the Code S RO16 immediately after IEM, he was eliminated from the Super Tournament RO16 after that, and then he even struggled to get out of the RO32 in the latest season of Code S (2-1 victories over aLive and Creator).

His RO16 wasn't exactly pretty either, advancing in second place after a series of matches that mostly involved him going all-in or getting all-in'd by his opponent (wins vs Dear and GuMiho, loss vs PartinG). And still, here he is after stumbling and taking all those beatings, back in the Code S playoffs for the first time since since Season 1 of 2018. So, while the present version of soO is a departure from the dominant soO of yesteryear—or even from the soO of March this year that won IEM—that familiar resilience we've come to know and love is still beating in his heart.


#7

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Trap
No change
There was a feeling that Trap's top four finish in the previous Code S season could be a mere one-off occurrence, especially after Maru destroyed him in a 4-0 semifinal sweep. That perception certainly wasn't helped when Trap failed to qualify at all for the subsequent Super Tournament.

Well, vindication was rightfully earned in Code S Season 2, as Trap freed himself from "hard-stuck in the RO16" status by reaching the playoffs once more. Yes, one could argue that he had a relatively soft path, only having to defeat Scarlett, herO, and SpeCial along the way. But Trap's own RO16 jinx was a more daunting obstacle than any single opponent, and overcoming it is where the significance of his achievement lies.

Now it's time to move onto greater challenges. Trap's run through the deadlier half of the Code S playoff bracket will tell us if he's elevated himself to being a true championship contender.


#6

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Stats
-2
2019 is shaping up to be one of Stats’ less impressive years in domestic competition. Actually making the RO16 in GSL Code S may have been an improvement from the first season of the year, but it can hardly be considered a great success for the Shield of Aiur. Often hailed as the personification of consistency, Stats has been uncharacteristically frail this year in both online and offline competition, with his finals run at IEM Katowice being the only saving grace.

One player in particular has crossed paths with Stats on several occasions this last month: INnoVation. He was the one to eliminate Stats from Code S (where Stats made many uncharacteristic mistakes), and he also defeated him just a few days before in the Olimoleague May finals (Stats did manage to defeat him in a previous Olimoleague weekly). We're still giving Stats credit as one of the best Protoss players in the world—it's just that compared to the past, this years GSL results have been very underwhelming so far.


#5

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INnoVation
+5
After dropping all the way to #10 in the previous power rank, everyone's favorite StarCraft-playing machine is back in the top half. 2019 seemed like it might be another lost year for INnoVation when he suffered his fourth consecutive Code S RO16 group-stage knockout in Season 1. However, he's finally forced himself back into the Code S playoff picture, something Terran fans have been eagerly anticipating since he won WESG back in March.

INnoVation smothered Stats twice and took Dark down to the wire in his RO16 group, looking much like the overwhelming macro Terran that won nine major titles. To quote Dark "I thought his 'physical' (mechanics) was dead, but it's still kicking."

Some small doubts nag at INnoVation’s championship chances, such as his loss against Dark in a full macro vs. macro battle, and the fact that Stats' army control wasn't exactly the best during their deciding match. INnoVation fans might look to his online results for more reason to be hopeful, as INnoVation has defeated the likes of GuMiho, Classic, Stats, and Trap by convincing scorelines. It seems fair to say that INnoVation is at least close to playing at his best level again, and he could get there over the course of the playoffs.


#4

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Maru
-3
We all know that no king rules forever. Even the best, fastest and brightest of competitors eventually slip up. After four consecutive seasons of winning GSL Code S, Maru has finally succumbed to the inevitable champion's fall.

While we all knew it was bound to happen eventually, Maru's collapse still came as a shock in the moment—especially the manner in which it happened. It was one of the most drastic ways to fall from grace—eliminated in the Code S RO32, with Patience of all players striking the first blow (INnoVation’s relentless TvT finished Maru off).

It's impossible to attribute the fall to just one factor—if we can deign to know any of the factors at all—but we can't help but speculate. Maru was hardly invincible in group stage matches even during his dominant 2018 stretch, with the underdogs often giving him a tough match or even stealing a map. Perhaps the difficulty of preparing for multiple opponents and a wide range of builds finally caught up to him.

Many would point out Protoss' recent dominance, although it's hard to say how much of that was relevant in Maru's loss against the always-tricky Patience. Finally, the passage of time is just a merciless force. The grind to stay at the top can wear anyone down, due to burn-out, complacency, physical injury, or the combination of all three.

This doesn’t mean we don’t expect Maru to make a recovery and become a challenger or champion again, and we’re giving him a lot of benefit of the doubt for his past performances. It might turn out that this forced break is just what he needs to recharge his batteries, gain some perspective, and come back stronger than ever.


#3

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Serral
+3
After narrowly surrendering the WCS Winter/Europe championship to Reynor, Serral was made to suffer a month's stay with the Power Rank peasants in the lower half the standings. Then, at WCS Spring, Serral over-corrected for letting even a single WCS Circuit trophy slip from his grasp. Not only did he reclaim the WCS Circuit throne with a combined 17-3 record, but he also exacted his revenge on Reynor with a 3-0 semifinal sweep and recorded his first finals sweep by 4-0'ing SpeCial.

Restored to his rightful spot on top of the WCS Circuit, Serral also returns to his pre-WCS Winter spot of #3 on the Power Rank—the same place he landed after finishing second place at WESG and top eight in IEM Katowice. Until GSL vs. The World 2019 comes about and Serral faces top Korean competition again, this seems to be about the appropriate amount of past credit to extend to the reigning WCS Global Champion and TL.net's 2018 Player of the Year


#2

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Dark
+1
Dark showed us why he's always been considered a top player in LotV by quickly recovering from prior setbacks and delivering some typically dominant performances in Code S. Back in April, Dark gave up a close 3-4 loss to Classic in the Code S semifinals and was ousted from the Super Tournament RO16 by GuMiho, casting momentary doubt on his capacity as a championship contender.

However, May saw Dark return with a vengeance in Code S. He seemed almost disdainful of having to his RO32 matches, quickly dispatching of DRG with ling-bane and then Nydusing his way past Cure in the winners match. After landing once again in a difficult RO16 group, Dark masterfully piloted his way past a fumbling Patience and out-dueled a resurgent INnoVation to book his ticket to the quarterfinals. Now, with one of the easier playoff brackets on paper (first facing herO, then Parting/Hurricane in the semis), Dark's road to the finals seems all but cemented.

Amid all the turmoil and upheaval at the top of the Korean scene this year, Dark has somehow emerged as one of the few players resembling a constant (the other is one rank ahead of him). If Dark can overcome a barrage of sinister builds from the most devious Protoss minds in Korea, it might finally be time that Dark is rewarded for all his consistency and wins a Code S championship.


#1

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Classic
+1
When Maru was unexpectedly eliminated in the Code S RO32, the GSL throne was left vacant for the first time in over a year. Out of the many ambitious challengers attempting to seize Maru's old seat, Classic has looked the most worthy.

Classic has always ranked among SC2's more consistent players, but the run he's put together in potentially his final year as a progamer has been particularly impressive. Code S runner-up, Super Tournament champion, and now a Code S quarter-finalist again? There's not much more we could ask for from a 10+ year veteran of StarCraft (BW and SC2).

Classic may be the oldest player left competing in Code S, but his play is anything but dulled or slow. While he has had to lean on trickery and proxies in some of his big matches, one might argue that he was the trend-setter who established the standard for lesser players. And regardless, anyone who had to play Rogue-Dark-Maru in their GSL playoff run deserves some leeway for being a bit cheesy. While the late-game hasn't been Classic's forte, he's been solid enough to play a balanced game that leaves his opponents guessing.

In the current season of Code S, Classic played exactly like a top championship contender should, having little trouble in dispatching TRUE, Hurricane and Ragnarok to make it to the quarterfinals (Classic and Dark were the only two players to reach the playoffs with a 8-1 map record). In a season where Maru and TY were eliminated in the RO32 and SpeCial single-handedly knocked out sOs, it was almost reassuring to see a star player be so clinical in taking out the underdogs. Classic's loss to Maru in the Code S Season 1 finals only seems to have made him even stronger and more determined, and he's in prime position to capitalize on Maru’s elimination and grasp the grand prize.




Credits and acknowledgements

Ranking contributors: TeamLiquid.net writing staff
Writers: Destructicon, Orlok, TheOneAboveU, Wax.
Editor: Wax
Photo Credit: hexhaven
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2716 Posts
June 04 2019 12:58 GMT
#2
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33326 Posts
June 04 2019 13:06 GMT
#3
On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.


I think there might be something interesting about a "who would I pick to win a BO7 to save my life" rank where Serral and Maru are always top two for an entire year, but I also like our current iteration that factors in tangible tournament results in the present.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 04 2019 13:06 GMT
#4
Probably the best Power Ranking I have seen this year.
I would have ranked Trap, Inno and Stats as #5-#6-#7 since Trap has just been too consistent not to be given a more prestigious spot.

Tomorrow we'll see if the curse goes on with Classic losing to soO and Inno losing to Trap!
Tempest
Profile Joined October 2015
United States147 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 13:09:21
June 04 2019 13:08 GMT
#5
On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.



I mean personally I agree, but I understand exactly why the writers keep him at 3.

Also, fantastic job. I think this is the first power rank in like 3 months that I have no problem with.

EDIT: JK, found a problem. Trap should be 1 or 2 spots higher. How dare you TL
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 13:17:03
June 04 2019 13:11 GMT
#6
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6860 Posts
June 04 2019 13:23 GMT
#7
On June 04 2019 22:06 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.


I think there might be something interesting about a "who would I pick to win a BO7 to save my life" rank where Serral and Maru are always top two for an entire year, but I also like our current iteration that factors in tangible tournament results in the present.


The only time I would bet against Maru or Serral would be when they face each other. Then I would make it dependant on current form, meta, other factors
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Moonerz
Profile Joined March 2014
United States444 Posts
June 04 2019 13:43 GMT
#8
Pretty good list, I would maybe have swapped Trap and Stats but that's a minor change. Inno coming for that top spot
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
June 04 2019 13:54 GMT
#9
On June 04 2019 22:11 dysenterymd wrote:
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.


Out of curiosity, when's the next IEM Katovice-ish tournament (hoping there is one!) that'll give us that?
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 04 2019 14:04 GMT
#10
On June 04 2019 22:54 mierin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 22:11 dysenterymd wrote:
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.


Out of curiosity, when's the next IEM Katovice-ish tournament (hoping there is one!) that'll give us that?


GSL vs the World in August before BlizzCon(we might see something interesting at HSC, tho).
Orlok
Profile Joined June 2014
Korea (South)227 Posts
June 04 2019 14:21 GMT
#11
On June 04 2019 22:54 mierin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 22:11 dysenterymd wrote:
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.


Out of curiosity, when's the next IEM Katovice-ish tournament (hoping there is one!) that'll give us that?


Unfortunately, not until GSL vs The World and Blizzcon roll around. IEM circuit is gone, WCS is its own gig so the tournaments that have foreigner vs Korean matches are few and far between.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6860 Posts
June 04 2019 15:17 GMT
#12
On June 04 2019 23:04 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 22:54 mierin wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:11 dysenterymd wrote:
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.


Out of curiosity, when's the next IEM Katovice-ish tournament (hoping there is one!) that'll give us that?


GSL vs the World in August before BlizzCon(we might see something interesting at HSC, tho).



I have big hopes for that one :D
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
June 04 2019 15:27 GMT
#13
This power rank seems right on the money, can't wait for GSL to start and ruin it all!
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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
June 04 2019 16:12 GMT
#14
It's really hard to rank Maru at this moment, the guy's basically not played in anything since dropping out of code S.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 04 2019 16:15 GMT
#15
On June 05 2019 01:12 yht9657 wrote:
It's really hard to rank Maru at this moment, the guy's basically not played in anything since dropping out of code S.

He plays in the Chinese Proleague.
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Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland390 Posts
June 04 2019 16:44 GMT
#16
On June 04 2019 23:04 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 22:54 mierin wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:11 dysenterymd wrote:
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.


Out of curiosity, when's the next IEM Katovice-ish tournament (hoping there is one!) that'll give us that?


GSL vs the World in August before BlizzCon(we might see something interesting at HSC, tho).


HSC has problematic timing for Serral. It's on next week after the Midsummer, Juhannus (22.6.), that is the biggest summer holiday in Finland and many take some weeks after it as vacation. Also WCS Summer EU Challenger ends on 22nd too. I suspect that this was the reason why he did not participate last year.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 04 2019 16:47 GMT
#17
On June 05 2019 01:44 Legan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 23:04 Xain0n wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:54 mierin wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:11 dysenterymd wrote:
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.


Out of curiosity, when's the next IEM Katovice-ish tournament (hoping there is one!) that'll give us that?


GSL vs the World in August before BlizzCon(we might see something interesting at HSC, tho).


HSC has problematic timing for Serral. It's on next week after the Midsummer, Juhannus (22.6.), that is the biggest summer holiday in Finland and many take some weeks after it as vacation. Also WCS Summer EU Challenger ends on 22nd too. I suspect that this was the reason why he did not participate last year.


I see. Well, nevermind; if that will be the case we'll patiently wait for GSL vs The World.
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
June 04 2019 17:47 GMT
#18
Classic first? i dont know... i know its about form but doesnt feel right.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
June 04 2019 17:59 GMT
#19
On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.

I agree with Dark but Serral had trouble against Showtime who isn't anywhere Classic's level. Classic #1 isn't really debatable with his recent results
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 04 2019 18:19 GMT
#20
On June 04 2019 23:04 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 22:54 mierin wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:11 dysenterymd wrote:
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.


Out of curiosity, when's the next IEM Katovice-ish tournament (hoping there is one!) that'll give us that?


GSL vs the World in August before BlizzCon(we might see something interesting at HSC, tho).

Even if Serral is at the next HSC he probably won't face anyone high on this list. Classic can't go, Maru wouldn't, Dark hasn't attended one as far as I know.

Serral INno round 4 is the best we could hope for
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 18:24:25
June 04 2019 18:22 GMT
#21
On June 04 2019 22:23 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 22:06 Waxangel wrote:
On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.


I think there might be something interesting about a "who would I pick to win a BO7 to save my life" rank where Serral and Maru are always top two for an entire year, but I also like our current iteration that factors in tangible tournament results in the present.


The only time I would bet against Maru or Serral would be when they face each other. Then I would make it dependant on current form, meta, other factors


This is not 2018 anymore. I'd bet on Inno over Serral and Maru, considering how he's beaten them both twice over.

That being said, a PR is more than just H2H, and I agree with this one here that puts both Serral and Maru higher than a player neither could beat.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 18:24:21
June 04 2019 18:22 GMT
#22
On June 05 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:
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On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.

I agree with Dark but Serral had trouble against Showtime who isn't anywhere Classic's level. Classic #1 isn't really debatable with his recent results

It might sound generic but Serral plays at like 70% during WCS. Even last year he had trouble with Has, Mana, Showtime, Lambo etc. He should have lost to Reynor in that final, as well as carlett on multiple occasions.

On June 05 2019 03:22 pvsnp wrote:
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On June 04 2019 22:23 Harris1st wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:06 Waxangel wrote:
On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.


I think there might be something interesting about a "who would I pick to win a BO7 to save my life" rank where Serral and Maru are always top two for an entire year, but I also like our current iteration that factors in tangible tournament results in the present.


The only time I would bet against Maru or Serral would be when they face each other. Then I would make it dependant on current form, meta, other factors


This is not 2018 anymore. I'd bet on Inno over Serral and Maru, considering how he's beaten them both twice over.

INno has managed to beat Serral and Maru both twice this year, then look like shit against basically everyone else. That I can't explain.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States581 Posts
June 04 2019 18:43 GMT
#23
Serral #1
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 18:51:49
June 04 2019 18:51 GMT
#24
On June 05 2019 01:15 Ej_ wrote:
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On June 05 2019 01:12 yht9657 wrote:
It's really hard to rank Maru at this moment, the guy's basically not played in anything since dropping out of code S.

He plays in the Chinese Proleague.

He didn't play that much tbh, also beating Patience, Impact and TIME while losing to Dear in a few online matches doesn't speak that much of his form. Considering Maru is a player who rarely plays in online cups it's also hard to know if his online form reflects his true form.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
June 04 2019 19:04 GMT
#25
On June 05 2019 03:22 Fango wrote:
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On June 05 2019 02:59 Charoisaur wrote:
On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.

I agree with Dark but Serral had trouble against Showtime who isn't anywhere Classic's level. Classic #1 isn't really debatable with his recent results

It might sound generic but Serral plays at like 70% during WCS. Even last year he had trouble with Has, Mana, Showtime, Lambo etc. He should have lost to Reynor in that final, as well as carlett on multiple occasions.

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On June 05 2019 03:22 pvsnp wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:23 Harris1st wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:06 Waxangel wrote:
On June 04 2019 21:58 argonautdice wrote:
Still feel like Dark or Classic can't beat Serral.


I think there might be something interesting about a "who would I pick to win a BO7 to save my life" rank where Serral and Maru are always top two for an entire year, but I also like our current iteration that factors in tangible tournament results in the present.


The only time I would bet against Maru or Serral would be when they face each other. Then I would make it dependant on current form, meta, other factors


This is not 2018 anymore. I'd bet on Inno over Serral and Maru, considering how he's beaten them both twice over.

INno has managed to beat Serral and Maru both twice this year, then look like shit against basically everyone else. That I can't explain.


Inno's TvT has always been pretty legendary (maybe some of the best next to Taeja?) and the Match VS. Serral was a battle of wills--Serral couldn't crack the Machine.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2747 Posts
June 04 2019 19:24 GMT
#26
Dark over serral seems really far fetched.
uThermal
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
June 04 2019 19:56 GMT
#27
Happy to have Classic at #1, don't know why you guys keep rating Dark so high every time though
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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
June 04 2019 20:41 GMT
#28
I miss dave4 on this kind of discussions.
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 04 2019 20:55 GMT
#29
On June 05 2019 03:19 Fango wrote:
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On June 04 2019 23:04 Xain0n wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:54 mierin wrote:
On June 04 2019 22:11 dysenterymd wrote:
I think that Dark is consistently rated too highly on these lists. Dark's record against other championship contenders in elimination matches must be among the worst of any top player. He may well make the GSL finals since his half of the bracket is a joke, but looking the best in group stages isn't enough to justify #2.

Serral may well be #1 again, but putting him at #3 is fine. Accurately ranking Serral will always be an issue until WCS gets stronger or he plays in more tournaments with Koreans.


Out of curiosity, when's the next IEM Katovice-ish tournament (hoping there is one!) that'll give us that?


GSL vs the World in August before BlizzCon(we might see something interesting at HSC, tho).

Even if Serral is at the next HSC he probably won't face anyone high on this list. Classic can't go, Maru wouldn't, Dark hasn't attended one as far as I know.

Serral INno round 4 is the best we could hope for

Luckily INno will win GSL so it will mean a bit more, right? =)

No really, INno is looking fantastic recently and I really think he might do it.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
June 04 2019 21:44 GMT
#30
On June 05 2019 05:41 SamirDuran wrote:
I miss dave4 on this kind of discussions.


I thought he was up to 5 or 6 now?

On June 05 2019 04:56 uThermal wrote:
Happy to have Classic at #1, don't know why you guys keep rating Dark so high every time though


Oh snap. TvZ shadeeeeee!
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
June 04 2019 21:56 GMT
#31
Stats should be a little lower imo, but otherwise I think the list is pretty good.
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
June 05 2019 06:20 GMT
#32
trap is so freaking good
can i get my estro logo back pls
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 05 2019 07:18 GMT
#33
On June 05 2019 04:56 uThermal wrote:
Happy to have Classic at #1, don't know why you guys keep rating Dark so high every time though

Because up until Code S RO4 he looks like no one can beat him and he's favored against most of the people on the list?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
June 06 2019 00:14 GMT
#34
Dear Serral please play GSL Season 3 we all want the question answered. 😄
Ralphus
Profile Joined June 2018
Germany2 Posts
June 06 2019 00:50 GMT
#35
Kiwian is the best!~
WCH
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada239 Posts
June 06 2019 01:53 GMT
#36
Dark is ranked too highly until he can prove that he doesn't consistently lose against top players.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
June 06 2019 13:57 GMT
#37
Im lobbying for Maru N1 next power rank. And yes Dark always higher than deserved. Trap a bit low
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-06 15:31:10
June 06 2019 15:30 GMT
#38
List is wack imo. Special definitely top 10 after wcs. Serral still no. 1 or no. 2. Hero not ready for the big time. Stats overrated.
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sweffymo
Profile Joined March 2013
United States62 Posts
June 06 2019 18:17 GMT
#39
I want to see PartinG finally win the GSL trophy that he has barely missed over and over again for his entire career. I know that people will just complain about Protoss being OP if he wins but I don't care, he's been my favorite player since he first started playing in GSL and I want him to finally get his win.
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain877 Posts
June 06 2019 18:51 GMT
#40
On June 07 2019 03:17 sweffymo wrote:
I want to see PartinG finally win the GSL trophy that he has barely missed over and over again for his entire career. I know that people will just complain about Protoss being OP if he wins but I don't care, he's been my favorite player since he first started playing in GSL and I want him to finally get his win.

So do I... one can only dream.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
June 07 2019 08:46 GMT
#41
I like the list, it reflects the recent results well while also taking into account old results. Personally I rate Dark a lot lower but I also LB that Inno and Stats would knock Dark out. To be honest, if Dark can one two punch his way to first in the group against Stats and Inno then yeah I don't mind seeing him this high.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
June 07 2019 11:23 GMT
#42
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
June 08 2019 20:44 GMT
#43
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
June 08 2019 22:16 GMT
#44
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
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On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"


Serral just recently lost a WCS to reynor

Watching them play, Dark just looks better to me, especially considering the fact that he's been constantly up against Korea's finest.


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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 08 2019 22:36 GMT
#45
On June 09 2019 07:16 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"


Serral just recently lost a WCS to reynor

Watching them play, Dark just looks better to me, especially considering the fact that he's been constantly up against Korea's finest.




Reynor beat Serral in ZvZ, something that Dark apparently can't do; Dark has been performing consistently well, and consistently choking as usual. I hope he'll stop, but I wouldn't be so sure Dark should be ahead of Serral in the Power Ranking; it's still a fine decision but it's a close one unlike you say.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
June 09 2019 02:18 GMT
#46
On June 09 2019 07:36 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 07:16 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"


Serral just recently lost a WCS to reynor

Watching them play, Dark just looks better to me, especially considering the fact that he's been constantly up against Korea's finest.




Reynor beat Serral in ZvZ, something that Dark apparently can't do; Dark has been performing consistently well, and consistently choking as usual. I hope he'll stop, but I wouldn't be so sure Dark should be ahead of Serral in the Power Ranking; it's still a fine decision but it's a close one unlike you say.


Dark lost to Serral ZvZ but i don't think Serral is playing at the same level as when that happened.

I didn't say it wasnt close. It's close but Dark just looks looks better, and against stronger competition recently

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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
June 09 2019 14:27 GMT
#47
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"



Serral lost to Neeb, Reynor and even Heromarine or Lambo I think?... And also to Inno twice.
WCS results are meaningless, and he didn't do anything that spectacular this year to be ranked higher. Maybe after GSL vs the world or Blizzcon.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
June 09 2019 16:54 GMT
#48
On June 09 2019 23:27 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"



Serral lost to Neeb, Reynor and even Heromarine or Lambo I think?... And also to Inno twice.
WCS results are meaningless, and he didn't do anything that spectacular this year to be ranked higher. Maybe after GSL vs the world or Blizzcon.



Serral lost to soO in an ace match, lost to Inno in an ace match in finals (and in a meaningless bo3 for Serral. Practice is more important there than winning), lost to Reynor in an ace match in finals and then crushed him the next event, and dropped a couple of series in tournaments he still made the finals or won. He lost a bo3 to Heromarine and Neeb during a couple of group stages.Literally all that has changed in Serral is he's slightly less clutch this year. He is losing the ace match clutch instead of winning every time. Dark is doing well, but Serral just looks better to me than anyone except maybe Classic (since Classic doesn't implode in events not the GSL, though there are some Toss balance questions considering overall results in Korea)
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-09 17:23:42
June 09 2019 17:22 GMT
#49
On June 10 2019 01:54 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 23:27 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"



Serral lost to Neeb, Reynor and even Heromarine or Lambo I think?... And also to Inno twice.
WCS results are meaningless, and he didn't do anything that spectacular this year to be ranked higher. Maybe after GSL vs the world or Blizzcon.



Serral lost to soO in an ace match, lost to Inno in an ace match in finals (and in a meaningless bo3 for Serral. Practice is more important there than winning), lost to Reynor in an ace match in finals and then crushed him the next event, and dropped a couple of series in tournaments he still made the finals or won. He lost a bo3 to Heromarine and Neeb during a couple of group stages.Literally all that has changed in Serral is he's slightly less clutch this year. He is losing the ace match clutch instead of winning every time. Dark is doing well, but Serral just looks better to me than anyone except maybe Classic (since Classic doesn't implode in events not the GSL, though there are some Toss balance questions considering overall results in Korea)

I agree with everything you say, and if Serral were to play anyone on this list (eg Dark or Classic) I'd absolutely bet on him to win.

But if we're being objective, he literally has no results in the last six months that are worthy of such a high rank. He gets it purely from the fact he was so good towards the end of last year. It's half way through 2019 and he's played four matches against people on this top 10, and lost three of them.

It's like all the csgo fans that have been saying Astralis are still #1 when they haven't played a serious event in three months. You can't just assume that had they had played during that time they would have been just as dominant. Even though it would be reasonable to bet on them winning the next major.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
terribleplayer1
Profile Joined July 2018
95 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-12 05:06:20
June 12 2019 05:05 GMT
#50
On June 10 2019 02:22 Fango wrote:


But if we're being objective, he literally has no results in the last six months that are worthy of such a high rank. He gets it purely from the fact he was so good towards the end of last year. It's half way through 2019 and he's played four matches against people on this top 10, and lost three of them.



Not quite:

He beat Gumiho (2-1) and Dark (3-1).

Lost to Inno (3-4) and (1-2), soO (2-3)

Also beat Rogue, Solar, Ragnarok.


It's too hard to rate Serral's "Power Rank" when he plays so few Koreans, just by watching the games he looks to be the best again.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
June 12 2019 05:44 GMT
#51
thing with Dark is that he's really good at stomping people weaker than him (why he was foreigner-slayer and is 2nd person to get PartinG award). He has a similar problem as TY as they have problems closing a series. Also, I feel like he is not very good at beating players stronger than him. He'll usually give a good fight but lose late into the series.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
June 12 2019 05:46 GMT
#52
On June 12 2019 14:05 terribleplayer1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2019 02:22 Fango wrote:


But if we're being objective, he literally has no results in the last six months that are worthy of such a high rank. He gets it purely from the fact he was so good towards the end of last year. It's half way through 2019 and he's played four matches against people on this top 10, and lost three of them.



Not quite:

He beat Gumiho (2-1) and Dark (3-1).

Lost to Inno (3-4) and (1-2), soO (2-3)

Also beat Rogue, Solar, Ragnarok.


It's too hard to rate Serral's "Power Rank" when he plays so few Koreans, just by watching the games he looks to be the best again.


tbh that definitely shows that he's top 10 player but not necessarily the best
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
June 12 2019 09:43 GMT
#53
On June 12 2019 14:44 Anc13nt wrote:
thing with Dark is that he's really good at stomping people weaker than him (why he was foreigner-slayer and is 2nd person to get PartinG award). He has a similar problem as TY as they have problems closing a series. Also, I feel like he is not very good at beating players stronger than him. He'll usually give a good fight but lose late into the series.


This is a good assessment of Dark. I think it partly comes down to his "blunt force trauma" style of play with aggressive pushes and more use of ultras than many zerg pros seem comfortable with. It's great at just ending the game when your opponent can't macro up enough or control well enough to hold, but his last losses against ShowTime perfectly illustrate how it can go wrong when the opponent is playing on point.
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
June 20 2019 20:25 GMT
#54
Hey guys, great power rank thanks. I'm guessing next month will probably see 1 and 2 swapped around and Trap up into about 4th place, maybe 5th. It'd be hard to get Hurricane in but maybe he gets 9 or 10, I guess June was a fairly slow month.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6860 Posts
June 24 2019 11:28 GMT
#55
Next PR

#1 Dark
#2 Trap
#3 Serral
#4 Classic
#5 Maru

Am I doing this right? xD
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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