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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
June 07 2019 08:46 GMT
#41
I like the list, it reflects the recent results well while also taking into account old results. Personally I rate Dark a lot lower but I also LB that Inno and Stats would knock Dark out. To be honest, if Dark can one two punch his way to first in the group against Stats and Inno then yeah I don't mind seeing him this high.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
June 07 2019 11:23 GMT
#42
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
June 08 2019 20:44 GMT
#43
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
June 08 2019 22:16 GMT
#44
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"


Serral just recently lost a WCS to reynor

Watching them play, Dark just looks better to me, especially considering the fact that he's been constantly up against Korea's finest.


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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 08 2019 22:36 GMT
#45
On June 09 2019 07:16 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"


Serral just recently lost a WCS to reynor

Watching them play, Dark just looks better to me, especially considering the fact that he's been constantly up against Korea's finest.




Reynor beat Serral in ZvZ, something that Dark apparently can't do; Dark has been performing consistently well, and consistently choking as usual. I hope he'll stop, but I wouldn't be so sure Dark should be ahead of Serral in the Power Ranking; it's still a fine decision but it's a close one unlike you say.
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
June 09 2019 02:18 GMT
#46
On June 09 2019 07:36 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 07:16 BerserkSword wrote:
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"


Serral just recently lost a WCS to reynor

Watching them play, Dark just looks better to me, especially considering the fact that he's been constantly up against Korea's finest.




Reynor beat Serral in ZvZ, something that Dark apparently can't do; Dark has been performing consistently well, and consistently choking as usual. I hope he'll stop, but I wouldn't be so sure Dark should be ahead of Serral in the Power Ranking; it's still a fine decision but it's a close one unlike you say.


Dark lost to Serral ZvZ but i don't think Serral is playing at the same level as when that happened.

I didn't say it wasnt close. It's close but Dark just looks looks better, and against stronger competition recently

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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
June 09 2019 14:27 GMT
#47
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"



Serral lost to Neeb, Reynor and even Heromarine or Lambo I think?... And also to Inno twice.
WCS results are meaningless, and he didn't do anything that spectacular this year to be ranked higher. Maybe after GSL vs the world or Blizzcon.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
June 09 2019 16:54 GMT
#48
On June 09 2019 23:27 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"



Serral lost to Neeb, Reynor and even Heromarine or Lambo I think?... And also to Inno twice.
WCS results are meaningless, and he didn't do anything that spectacular this year to be ranked higher. Maybe after GSL vs the world or Blizzcon.



Serral lost to soO in an ace match, lost to Inno in an ace match in finals (and in a meaningless bo3 for Serral. Practice is more important there than winning), lost to Reynor in an ace match in finals and then crushed him the next event, and dropped a couple of series in tournaments he still made the finals or won. He lost a bo3 to Heromarine and Neeb during a couple of group stages.Literally all that has changed in Serral is he's slightly less clutch this year. He is losing the ace match clutch instead of winning every time. Dark is doing well, but Serral just looks better to me than anyone except maybe Classic (since Classic doesn't implode in events not the GSL, though there are some Toss balance questions considering overall results in Korea)
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-09 17:23:42
June 09 2019 17:22 GMT
#49
On June 10 2019 01:54 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2019 23:27 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote:
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters.
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition.
And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall.

So a really good list this time, GJ


Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??"



Serral lost to Neeb, Reynor and even Heromarine or Lambo I think?... And also to Inno twice.
WCS results are meaningless, and he didn't do anything that spectacular this year to be ranked higher. Maybe after GSL vs the world or Blizzcon.



Serral lost to soO in an ace match, lost to Inno in an ace match in finals (and in a meaningless bo3 for Serral. Practice is more important there than winning), lost to Reynor in an ace match in finals and then crushed him the next event, and dropped a couple of series in tournaments he still made the finals or won. He lost a bo3 to Heromarine and Neeb during a couple of group stages.Literally all that has changed in Serral is he's slightly less clutch this year. He is losing the ace match clutch instead of winning every time. Dark is doing well, but Serral just looks better to me than anyone except maybe Classic (since Classic doesn't implode in events not the GSL, though there are some Toss balance questions considering overall results in Korea)

I agree with everything you say, and if Serral were to play anyone on this list (eg Dark or Classic) I'd absolutely bet on him to win.

But if we're being objective, he literally has no results in the last six months that are worthy of such a high rank. He gets it purely from the fact he was so good towards the end of last year. It's half way through 2019 and he's played four matches against people on this top 10, and lost three of them.

It's like all the csgo fans that have been saying Astralis are still #1 when they haven't played a serious event in three months. You can't just assume that had they had played during that time they would have been just as dominant. Even though it would be reasonable to bet on them winning the next major.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
terribleplayer1
Profile Joined July 2018
95 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-12 05:06:20
June 12 2019 05:05 GMT
#50
On June 10 2019 02:22 Fango wrote:


But if we're being objective, he literally has no results in the last six months that are worthy of such a high rank. He gets it purely from the fact he was so good towards the end of last year. It's half way through 2019 and he's played four matches against people on this top 10, and lost three of them.



Not quite:

He beat Gumiho (2-1) and Dark (3-1).

Lost to Inno (3-4) and (1-2), soO (2-3)

Also beat Rogue, Solar, Ragnarok.


It's too hard to rate Serral's "Power Rank" when he plays so few Koreans, just by watching the games he looks to be the best again.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
June 12 2019 05:44 GMT
#51
thing with Dark is that he's really good at stomping people weaker than him (why he was foreigner-slayer and is 2nd person to get PartinG award). He has a similar problem as TY as they have problems closing a series. Also, I feel like he is not very good at beating players stronger than him. He'll usually give a good fight but lose late into the series.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
June 12 2019 05:46 GMT
#52
On June 12 2019 14:05 terribleplayer1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2019 02:22 Fango wrote:


But if we're being objective, he literally has no results in the last six months that are worthy of such a high rank. He gets it purely from the fact he was so good towards the end of last year. It's half way through 2019 and he's played four matches against people on this top 10, and lost three of them.



Not quite:

He beat Gumiho (2-1) and Dark (3-1).

Lost to Inno (3-4) and (1-2), soO (2-3)

Also beat Rogue, Solar, Ragnarok.


It's too hard to rate Serral's "Power Rank" when he plays so few Koreans, just by watching the games he looks to be the best again.


tbh that definitely shows that he's top 10 player but not necessarily the best
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
June 12 2019 09:43 GMT
#53
On June 12 2019 14:44 Anc13nt wrote:
thing with Dark is that he's really good at stomping people weaker than him (why he was foreigner-slayer and is 2nd person to get PartinG award). He has a similar problem as TY as they have problems closing a series. Also, I feel like he is not very good at beating players stronger than him. He'll usually give a good fight but lose late into the series.


This is a good assessment of Dark. I think it partly comes down to his "blunt force trauma" style of play with aggressive pushes and more use of ultras than many zerg pros seem comfortable with. It's great at just ending the game when your opponent can't macro up enough or control well enough to hold, but his last losses against ShowTime perfectly illustrate how it can go wrong when the opponent is playing on point.
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
June 20 2019 20:25 GMT
#54
Hey guys, great power rank thanks. I'm guessing next month will probably see 1 and 2 swapped around and Trap up into about 4th place, maybe 5th. It'd be hard to get Hurricane in but maybe he gets 9 or 10, I guess June was a fairly slow month.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6899 Posts
June 24 2019 11:28 GMT
#55
Next PR

#1 Dark
#2 Trap
#3 Serral
#4 Classic
#5 Maru

Am I doing this right? xD
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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