WCSSC2 Power Rank: June 2019 - Page 3
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1375 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia668 Posts
Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition. And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall. So a really good list this time, GJ | ||
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Parrek
United States781 Posts
On June 07 2019 20:23 MarianoSC2 wrote: I dont understand the complaints against Darks placement. This is a power rank, not results rank. And Dark looks like the most scary and strongest player almost in every tournament he enters. Yes, he falters in the final rounds, but that looks like its more a problem in his head or he just has specific opponents he cant beat in those stages of the competition. And those are basically only Serral, Classic, Maru and Trap. Classic is above him, Maru would be too but he screwed up his last 2 tournaments, Serral cant be above him until he plays against serious opponents regularly, and Trap should probably be higher but not sure I would put him above Dark overall. So a really good list this time, GJ Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??" | ||
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BerserkSword
United States680 Posts
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote: Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??" Serral just recently lost a WCS to reynor Watching them play, Dark just looks better to me, especially considering the fact that he's been constantly up against Korea's finest. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy1481 Posts
On June 09 2019 07:16 BerserkSword wrote: Serral just recently lost a WCS to reynor Watching them play, Dark just looks better to me, especially considering the fact that he's been constantly up against Korea's finest. Reynor beat Serral in ZvZ, something that Dark apparently can't do; Dark has been performing consistently well, and consistently choking as usual. I hope he'll stop, but I wouldn't be so sure Dark should be ahead of Serral in the Power Ranking; it's still a fine decision but it's a close one unlike you say. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States680 Posts
On June 09 2019 07:36 Xain0n wrote: Reynor beat Serral in ZvZ, something that Dark apparently can't do; Dark has been performing consistently well, and consistently choking as usual. I hope he'll stop, but I wouldn't be so sure Dark should be ahead of Serral in the Power Ranking; it's still a fine decision but it's a close one unlike you say. Dark lost to Serral ZvZ but i don't think Serral is playing at the same level as when that happened. I didn't say it wasnt close. It's close but Dark just looks looks better, and against stronger competition recently | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia668 Posts
On June 09 2019 05:44 Parrek wrote: Serral should be rated higher regardless. We've already been through this. It's clear his level hasn't changed almost at all and he's showing the same dominance of WCS. I don't think we have to argue "But how would he do against Koreans??" Serral lost to Neeb, Reynor and even Heromarine or Lambo I think?... And also to Inno twice. WCS results are meaningless, and he didn't do anything that spectacular this year to be ranked higher. Maybe after GSL vs the world or Blizzcon. | ||
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Parrek
United States781 Posts
On June 09 2019 23:27 MarianoSC2 wrote: Serral lost to Neeb, Reynor and even Heromarine or Lambo I think?... And also to Inno twice. WCS results are meaningless, and he didn't do anything that spectacular this year to be ranked higher. Maybe after GSL vs the world or Blizzcon. Serral lost to soO in an ace match, lost to Inno in an ace match in finals (and in a meaningless bo3 for Serral. Practice is more important there than winning), lost to Reynor in an ace match in finals and then crushed him the next event, and dropped a couple of series in tournaments he still made the finals or won. He lost a bo3 to Heromarine and Neeb during a couple of group stages.Literally all that has changed in Serral is he's slightly less clutch this year. He is losing the ace match clutch instead of winning every time. Dark is doing well, but Serral just looks better to me than anyone except maybe Classic (since Classic doesn't implode in events not the GSL, though there are some Toss balance questions considering overall results in Korea) | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom6594 Posts
On June 10 2019 01:54 Parrek wrote: Serral lost to soO in an ace match, lost to Inno in an ace match in finals (and in a meaningless bo3 for Serral. Practice is more important there than winning), lost to Reynor in an ace match in finals and then crushed him the next event, and dropped a couple of series in tournaments he still made the finals or won. He lost a bo3 to Heromarine and Neeb during a couple of group stages.Literally all that has changed in Serral is he's slightly less clutch this year. He is losing the ace match clutch instead of winning every time. Dark is doing well, but Serral just looks better to me than anyone except maybe Classic (since Classic doesn't implode in events not the GSL, though there are some Toss balance questions considering overall results in Korea) I agree with everything you say, and if Serral were to play anyone on this list (eg Dark or Classic) I'd absolutely bet on him to win. But if we're being objective, he literally has no results in the last six months that are worthy of such a high rank. He gets it purely from the fact he was so good towards the end of last year. It's half way through 2019 and he's played four matches against people on this top 10, and lost three of them. It's like all the csgo fans that have been saying Astralis are still #1 when they haven't played a serious event in three months. You can't just assume that had they had played during that time they would have been just as dominant. Even though it would be reasonable to bet on them winning the next major. | ||
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terribleplayer1
58 Posts
On June 10 2019 02:22 Fango wrote: But if we're being objective, he literally has no results in the last six months that are worthy of such a high rank. He gets it purely from the fact he was so good towards the end of last year. It's half way through 2019 and he's played four matches against people on this top 10, and lost three of them. Not quite: He beat Gumiho (2-1) and Dark (3-1). Lost to Inno (3-4) and (1-2), soO (2-3) Also beat Rogue, Solar, Ragnarok. It's too hard to rate Serral's "Power Rank" when he plays so few Koreans, just by watching the games he looks to be the best again. | ||
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Anc13nt
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Anc13nt
631 Posts
On June 12 2019 14:05 terribleplayer1 wrote: Not quite: He beat Gumiho (2-1) and Dark (3-1). Lost to Inno (3-4) and (1-2), soO (2-3) Also beat Rogue, Solar, Ragnarok. It's too hard to rate Serral's "Power Rank" when he plays so few Koreans, just by watching the games he looks to be the best again. tbh that definitely shows that he's top 10 player but not necessarily the best | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
641 Posts
On June 12 2019 14:44 Anc13nt wrote: thing with Dark is that he's really good at stomping people weaker than him (why he was foreigner-slayer and is 2nd person to get PartinG award). He has a similar problem as TY as they have problems closing a series. Also, I feel like he is not very good at beating players stronger than him. He'll usually give a good fight but lose late into the series. This is a good assessment of Dark. I think it partly comes down to his "blunt force trauma" style of play with aggressive pushes and more use of ultras than many zerg pros seem comfortable with. It's great at just ending the game when your opponent can't macro up enough or control well enough to hold, but his last losses against ShowTime perfectly illustrate how it can go wrong when the opponent is playing on point. | ||
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