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Code S RO16 Preview: Dark, Patience, INnoVation, Stats

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Code S RO16 Preview: Dark, Patience, INnoVation, Stats

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May 31st, 2019 01:20 GMT

Code S RO16 Group D Preview:
Dark, Patience, INnoVation, Stats

by Wax

Start time: Saturday, Jun 01 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

2019 Global StarCraft II League Season 2: Code S


With five Protoss and one Zerg locked into the quarterfinals, it seems appropriate to focus on Terran hope INnoVation in this final round-of-sixteen group.

INnoVation's 2019 has been—for the lack of a better expression—f***ing hilarious. Initially, it looked like another year lost to playing League of Legends when he was embarrassed by getting quickly eliminated in Code S Season 1 (RO16) and IEM Katowice (RO24). Then, just weeks after IEM Katowice, INnoVation defeated WCS Global Champion Serral to win the whopping $150,000 grand prize at WESG. Just as 'INnoVation is back!' narratives started to pop up, he dumpstered them by failing to qualify for Super Tournament #1 (losses to PartinG and sOs) and narrowly escaping from his Code S Season 2 group in second place (loss to Patience in initial match).

Still, the funniest indictment of INnoVation's erratic form came when Patience picked him fifth during the Code S group nominations, deciding he'd rather play the PvOGPAT (One of the Greatest Players of All Time) match-up over PvP. That's right—a player who had never made it beyond the Code S RO16 and didn't even qualify for 2/3 Code S tourneys in 2018 basically gave INnoVation an 'eh, he's aight' rating.*

*Granted, there was a mitigating factor in Patience being unable to pick Impact due to him being "reserved" by #1 seed Classic.

Is Patience justified in thinking so? On one hand, he did beat INnoVation in their RO32 match, where his 'proxy-everything' approach allowed him to cripple his opponent early on. Patience even defeated Maru with more proxy-shenanigans later—you can see why he'd be confident in his ability to prepare for such a match.

On the other hand, INnoVation has looked pretty strong in the online matches I've checked out. Sure, his PvT record since the last balance patch (March 25—Protoss upgrade time patch) is a mere 38-23 (62% win rate). But going eye-test on recent his BO5+ victories against top Protoss players Stats, Trap, and Classic, it felt like everyone else should have copied Patience's cheesy approach. Given a lead, INnoVation looked just like his old self, brute forcing his way through Storms with unrelenting waves of infantry. On top of that, he still had deadly two-base timings to keep Protoss on their toes.

Also, let's not overlook INnoVation's comments from the group nominations, where he said "TvP is bad too, but it's still comparatively okay" and also stating "Games have been going well lately." Anyone familiar with INnoVation-speak and his history of exaggerating Terran weakness will know that translates to "You're all gonna die."

INnoVation vs. Stats - Olimoleague May Finals


In contrast, INnoVation said the state of TvZ balanced is "collapsed," and insinuated Dark was the main reason he didn't want to end up in Group D. That's curious, considering that INnoVation's TvZ has been slightly better than his TvP since the last balance patch at 29-13 (69% win-rate), and it being the match-up where he took two high-profile wins off of Serral earlier this year. Sure, Dark does have a seven-match winning streak (BO3+ matches) going against INnoVation since late 2017, but I don't think it will have much bearing on their potential match here. Dark's vaunted late-game play was good-but-not-great in his Super Tournament match against GuMiho, and he even committed an unbelievable throw in game five to blow the series. Dark's Roach-Ravager timings and Nydus all-ins are probably the more deadly parts of his arsenal at the moment, with macro games favoring the machine-Terran.

Predictions

There's a side of me that's rooting for two Protoss to advance. After all, who doesn't like to stare into the hypnotizing, garish light of a dumpster fire? However, I'm not going to be duped by INnoVation's crocodile tears and cries of imbalance. Watch as he grates his opponent's cheeses to dust and strolls into the RO8 with glorious macro.

Dark 2 - 1 Patience
INnoVation 2 - 0 Stats
INnoVation 2 - 1 Dark
Stats 2 - 0 Patience
Stats 2 - 1 Dark

INnoVation and Stats to advance.



Credits and acknowledgements

Writers: Wax
Images: AfreecaTV
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-31 03:13:50
May 31 2019 03:06 GMT
#2
quickly eliminated in Code S Season 1 (RO32) and IEM Katowice (RO24).

Nitpicking, but Inno went out in the Ro16 of Season 1, not the Ro32. Incidentally, he's never been eliminated in the Ro32; Inno either makes it to the Ro16 or he fails to qualify altogether. They mentioned that during group selections when they gave him the "GSL Immortal" award.

Poor Dark, Stats, and Patience barely get a mention. Though the dark-horse-Inno narrative is pretty compelling, I admit.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
May 31 2019 03:11 GMT
#3
I have a feeling we are going to see double toss advance
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yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
688 Posts
May 31 2019 03:39 GMT
#4
Wtf the preview only took the perspectives of two of the players, it barely mentioned Dark and Stats. Disappointed we didn't get any Ro4ark or Shield of Aiur comments
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necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
May 31 2019 04:04 GMT
#5
rooting for all toss winners
xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
May 31 2019 04:28 GMT
#6
On May 31 2019 12:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
I have a feeling we are going to see double toss advance



Yeah, we will have 2 Protoss advance. And then it will be 7 Protoss out of 8 players in the Round of 8, just like the last GSL Super Touurnament,
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 31 2019 06:39 GMT
#7
Dark and Inno are probably the best hope we have amongst the non Protosses in the Ro16.

Inno is doing well on the ladder as well (it fluctuates but I recall him being first last night).

He also beat Stats and won the recent Olimoleague monthly finals, so he's riding some momentum.

Hoping to see him and Dark advance now that my 8/8 dream has been crushed. (Hoping they both lose in Ro8 so my 4/4 dream survives though)
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 31 2019 06:42 GMT
#8
On May 31 2019 13:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 12:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
I have a feeling we are going to see double toss advance



Yeah, we will have 2 Protoss advance. And then it will be 7 Protoss out of 8 players in the Round of 8, just like the last GSL Super Touurnament,

Doubt that neither Dark nor Innovation will not advance. I personally predict Stats & Dark based on the fact that Inno's PvT isn't top shape and Dark is Dark, but maybe Inno will show us some fancy builds
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
May 31 2019 08:17 GMT
#9
On May 31 2019 15:42 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 13:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On May 31 2019 12:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
I have a feeling we are going to see double toss advance



Yeah, we will have 2 Protoss advance. And then it will be 7 Protoss out of 8 players in the Round of 8, just like the last GSL Super Touurnament,

Doubt that neither Dark nor Innovation will not advance. I personally predict Stats & Dark based on the fact that Inno's PvT isn't top shape and Dark is Dark, but maybe Inno will show us some fancy builds


Innovation is an online TvP monster atm and he even seemed quietly confident in the matchup during the group nominations so I think his chances are pretty decent. Has he even lost a TvP since GSL Ro32? His games have been impressive for sure.

Dark could have a potential "easy" road to the Ro8 if he avoids Stat, which is possible if Innovation brings his online TvP form to the GSL studio. Innovation doesn't seem confident in TvZ and Dark is Dark, so I could see this playing out.

I'm not even going to try and predict what will happen regarding Patience in this group.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 31 2019 08:24 GMT
#10
On May 31 2019 17:17 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 15:42 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 31 2019 13:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On May 31 2019 12:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
I have a feeling we are going to see double toss advance



Yeah, we will have 2 Protoss advance. And then it will be 7 Protoss out of 8 players in the Round of 8, just like the last GSL Super Touurnament,

Doubt that neither Dark nor Innovation will not advance. I personally predict Stats & Dark based on the fact that Inno's PvT isn't top shape and Dark is Dark, but maybe Inno will show us some fancy builds


Innovation is an online TvP monster atm and he even seemed quietly confident in the matchup during the group nominations so I think his chances are pretty decent. Has he even lost a TvP since GSL Ro32? His games have been impressive for sure.

Dark could have a potential "easy" road to the Ro8 if he avoids Stat, which is possible if Innovation brings his online TvP form to the GSL studio. Innovation doesn't seem confident in TvZ and Dark is Dark, so I could see this playing out.

I'm not even going to try and predict what will happen regarding Patience in this group.

Several times we saw that ladder form is not a Code S form. Maybe vs. Stats who's usually as standard as it gets(on the Has - Rain scale he's probably the closest Protoss player to Rain we have currently). It really comes down to what the players will show. IMO both Stats and Patience will have the nastiest PvT builds because they don't have to hide them anymore as Inno is the only Terran left. While Inno in theory can think about hiding his best TvP builds because reasons
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
May 31 2019 08:31 GMT
#11
I believe in the machine, Inno and Stats will go on here, it is not Darks time.
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
May 31 2019 09:11 GMT
#12
On May 31 2019 17:24 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 17:17 blooblooblahblah wrote:
On May 31 2019 15:42 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 31 2019 13:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On May 31 2019 12:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
I have a feeling we are going to see double toss advance



Yeah, we will have 2 Protoss advance. And then it will be 7 Protoss out of 8 players in the Round of 8, just like the last GSL Super Touurnament,

Doubt that neither Dark nor Innovation will not advance. I personally predict Stats & Dark based on the fact that Inno's PvT isn't top shape and Dark is Dark, but maybe Inno will show us some fancy builds


Innovation is an online TvP monster atm and he even seemed quietly confident in the matchup during the group nominations so I think his chances are pretty decent. Has he even lost a TvP since GSL Ro32? His games have been impressive for sure.

Dark could have a potential "easy" road to the Ro8 if he avoids Stat, which is possible if Innovation brings his online TvP form to the GSL studio. Innovation doesn't seem confident in TvZ and Dark is Dark, so I could see this playing out.

I'm not even going to try and predict what will happen regarding Patience in this group.

Several times we saw that ladder form is not a Code S form. Maybe vs. Stats who's usually as standard as it gets(on the Has - Rain scale he's probably the closest Protoss player to Rain we have currently). It really comes down to what the players will show. IMO both Stats and Patience will have the nastiest PvT builds because they don't have to hide them anymore as Inno is the only Terran left. While Inno in theory can think about hiding his best TvP builds because reasons


I'm not talking about ladder though, I meant actual tournaments with money on the line. I'm not saying offline form = online form but Innovation has crushed every TvP series recently and these were Bo5s and Bo9s against the best protoss players on the planet, plus he's more confident in this matchup than TvZ, something he said himself. I don't think that guarantees him to get out of this group, but his play HAS been good recently, and that has to count for something. I've watched the majority of the games too and he looked really good.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 31 2019 09:15 GMT
#13
On May 31 2019 18:11 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 17:24 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 31 2019 17:17 blooblooblahblah wrote:
On May 31 2019 15:42 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 31 2019 13:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On May 31 2019 12:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
I have a feeling we are going to see double toss advance



Yeah, we will have 2 Protoss advance. And then it will be 7 Protoss out of 8 players in the Round of 8, just like the last GSL Super Touurnament,

Doubt that neither Dark nor Innovation will not advance. I personally predict Stats & Dark based on the fact that Inno's PvT isn't top shape and Dark is Dark, but maybe Inno will show us some fancy builds


Innovation is an online TvP monster atm and he even seemed quietly confident in the matchup during the group nominations so I think his chances are pretty decent. Has he even lost a TvP since GSL Ro32? His games have been impressive for sure.

Dark could have a potential "easy" road to the Ro8 if he avoids Stat, which is possible if Innovation brings his online TvP form to the GSL studio. Innovation doesn't seem confident in TvZ and Dark is Dark, so I could see this playing out.

I'm not even going to try and predict what will happen regarding Patience in this group.

Several times we saw that ladder form is not a Code S form. Maybe vs. Stats who's usually as standard as it gets(on the Has - Rain scale he's probably the closest Protoss player to Rain we have currently). It really comes down to what the players will show. IMO both Stats and Patience will have the nastiest PvT builds because they don't have to hide them anymore as Inno is the only Terran left. While Inno in theory can think about hiding his best TvP builds because reasons


I'm not talking about ladder though, I meant actual tournaments with money on the line. I'm not saying offline form = online form but Innovation has crushed every TvP series recently and these were Bo5s and Bo9s against the best protoss players on the planet, plus he's more confident in this matchup than TvZ, something he said himself. I don't think that guarantees him to get out of this group, but his play HAS been good recently, and that has to count for something. I've watched the majority of the games too and he looked really good.

We'll see, I still don't trust him vs Stats and Patience is Patience
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Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
May 31 2019 10:22 GMT
#14
On May 31 2019 18:11 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 17:24 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 31 2019 17:17 blooblooblahblah wrote:
On May 31 2019 15:42 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 31 2019 13:28 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On May 31 2019 12:11 Cricketer12 wrote:
I have a feeling we are going to see double toss advance



Yeah, we will have 2 Protoss advance. And then it will be 7 Protoss out of 8 players in the Round of 8, just like the last GSL Super Touurnament,

Doubt that neither Dark nor Innovation will not advance. I personally predict Stats & Dark based on the fact that Inno's PvT isn't top shape and Dark is Dark, but maybe Inno will show us some fancy builds


Innovation is an online TvP monster atm and he even seemed quietly confident in the matchup during the group nominations so I think his chances are pretty decent. Has he even lost a TvP since GSL Ro32? His games have been impressive for sure.

Dark could have a potential "easy" road to the Ro8 if he avoids Stat, which is possible if Innovation brings his online TvP form to the GSL studio. Innovation doesn't seem confident in TvZ and Dark is Dark, so I could see this playing out.

I'm not even going to try and predict what will happen regarding Patience in this group.

Several times we saw that ladder form is not a Code S form. Maybe vs. Stats who's usually as standard as it gets(on the Has - Rain scale he's probably the closest Protoss player to Rain we have currently). It really comes down to what the players will show. IMO both Stats and Patience will have the nastiest PvT builds because they don't have to hide them anymore as Inno is the only Terran left. While Inno in theory can think about hiding his best TvP builds because reasons


I'm not talking about ladder though, I meant actual tournaments with money on the line. I'm not saying offline form = online form but Innovation has crushed every TvP series recently and these were Bo5s and Bo9s against the best protoss players on the planet, plus he's more confident in this matchup than TvZ, something he said himself. I don't think that guarantees him to get out of this group, but his play HAS been good recently, and that has to count for something. I've watched the majority of the games too and he looked really good.


He still got dumpsterd 2-0 by Stats in the most recent olimoleague weakly. And that was online Stats, god knows how he'll fair against offline Stats. Also, Inno always complains about how poor he is in TvZ, I remember him complaining about how he was bad at it when he had a 75% win rate at the back end of 2017 and went on to win GSL S3.
tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
May 31 2019 11:51 GMT
#15
Inno loses to Dark but smashes Patience to get out of the group. Dark tends to make really bizarre and poor decisions when it matters, so I'm going to go with Stats to take him out.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
May 31 2019 12:14 GMT
#16
''Also, let's not overlook INnoVation's comments from the group nominations, where he said "TvP is bad too, but it's still comparatively okay" and also stating "Games have been going well lately." Anyone familiar with INnoVation-speak and his history of exaggerating Terran weakness will know that translates to "You're all gonna die."

One of the best things ever written here.
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Juny1spion
Profile Joined December 2014
Czech Republic25 Posts
May 31 2019 13:05 GMT
#17
I'm getting scared that Dark could lose against Patience. God knows what he's gonna show us this time
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
May 31 2019 13:39 GMT
#18
Is this the first ro16 preview where the group seed and the literally last member to be picked in group selection are not even mentioned?
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2648 Posts
May 31 2019 14:23 GMT
#19
The chances of a non-protoss advancing depend 100% on what shenanigans Patience brings, if he can top Dark he will most likely go through but I have my doubts as PvZ isn't as much of a dumpster fire as PvT. I don't think Inno is favored against anyone here, hes at least even with dark.
tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
May 31 2019 15:38 GMT
#20
On May 31 2019 21:14 Morbidius wrote:
''Also, let's not overlook INnoVation's comments from the group nominations, where he said "TvP is bad too, but it's still comparatively okay" and also stating "Games have been going well lately." Anyone familiar with INnoVation-speak and his history of exaggerating Terran weakness will know that translates to "You're all gonna die."

One of the best things ever written here.


The funny thing is, he always seems to win championships after complaining about ladder. "I lose 99/100 to zerg" and then smash soO or something.
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