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On January 27 2019 04:17 gpanda.sc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 03:59 yuisaka wrote:On January 27 2019 03:43 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 03:04 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:On January 27 2019 02:55 Puosu wrote:On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends? is your point that because this isn't the first time someone is saying horrible shit we should just shrug it off ? you'd think the prevalence of this kind of speech would get you more pissed off! My point is that he has done something probably 90+ % of the poulation have done at one point (even if not as extreme) but because it got leaked and people like to play white knight SJW on the internet he gets crucified for it. Even the current US president was recorded making derogatory comments about women. And the #metomovement was born out of that #metoo = me + too, me = victim Is this OP a victim? I think the OP/others should post this to Korean community to see what Korean would think, we just think this is offensive conversation and it is bad that's all as none of us are victim In criminal case, the plaintiff has not to be the victim. But this not, this is more like civil cases, the OP should be a victim. And what's the most important, no matter criminal or civil cases, the plaintiff has the burden of proof. if the OP/other post this to KR community, can they prove anything? Don't you think the whole OP just waste TL community's time？
I don't want to talk about laws as Ive talked with other just if this is true(which I believe it is and the reason that I given) it is very bad behaviours and could ruin his career but if this is not true Time definitely is the only victim
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On January 27 2019 04:44 yuisaka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 04:20 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 04:09 yuisaka wrote:On January 27 2019 04:04 opisska wrote:On January 27 2019 03:59 yuisaka wrote:On January 27 2019 03:43 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 03:04 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:On January 27 2019 02:55 Puosu wrote:On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends? is your point that because this isn't the first time someone is saying horrible shit we should just shrug it off ? you'd think the prevalence of this kind of speech would get you more pissed off! My point is that he has done something probably 90+ % of the poulation have done at one point (even if not as extreme) but because it got leaked and people like to play white knight SJW on the internet he gets crucified for it. Even the current US president was recorded making derogatory comments about women. And the #metomovement was born out of that #metoo = me + too, me = victim Is this OP a victim? I think the OP/others should post this to Korean community to see what Korean would think, we just think this is offensive conversation and it is bad that's all as none of us are victim Based on existing evidence, I think testing whether the Korean community will be offended by anything is a great waste of time. They will. Victims have the right to know what is going on so it is not waste of time Who is the victim? Are you 100% sure the chat speech were from Time? However we are 100% sure that Time is a victim of the OP. I think it should be true as the original poster is his sugar daddy/godfather , just dont know what kind of relationship between them but close enough
Son, you should really learn slang.
On January 27 2019 03:02 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 02:56 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2019 02:55 Puosu wrote:On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends? is your point that because this isn't the first time someone is saying horrible shit we should just shrug it off ? Is his point wrong? The most you can and should do about it is just make a mental note not to make friends with TIME, but i doubt one would want to do so in the first place. What's the argument? Is it that because "most you can do ... is just make a mental note", we shouldn't discuss a person acting inappropriately? I don't think that holds. We sure as hell can do much more than just make a mental note. We can, for example, say that we think that what he did was inappropriate and ask that he explain himself. Sound familiar from kindergarten?
I dunno about your kindergartens but stuff you describe we, in our kindergartens, considered childish. Nobody owes anyone anything for their private opinions, and yes, "say that we think what he did was inappropriate" is exactly "making a mental note' i am talking about.
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On January 27 2019 04:44 yuisaka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 04:20 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 04:09 yuisaka wrote:On January 27 2019 04:04 opisska wrote:On January 27 2019 03:59 yuisaka wrote:On January 27 2019 03:43 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 03:04 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:On January 27 2019 02:55 Puosu wrote:On January 27 2019 02:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Everyone here bashing TIME should post the most political incorrect conversation they've ever held publicly right now.
But I guess you're all angels and have never held a political incorrect conversation, right? Never used a slur word while talking to friends? is your point that because this isn't the first time someone is saying horrible shit we should just shrug it off ? you'd think the prevalence of this kind of speech would get you more pissed off! My point is that he has done something probably 90+ % of the poulation have done at one point (even if not as extreme) but because it got leaked and people like to play white knight SJW on the internet he gets crucified for it. Even the current US president was recorded making derogatory comments about women. And the #metomovement was born out of that #metoo = me + too, me = victim Is this OP a victim? I think the OP/others should post this to Korean community to see what Korean would think, we just think this is offensive conversation and it is bad that's all as none of us are victim Based on existing evidence, I think testing whether the Korean community will be offended by anything is a great waste of time. They will. Victims have the right to know what is going on so it is not waste of time Who is the victim? Are you 100% sure the chat speech were from Time? However we are 100% sure that Time is a victim of the OP. I think it should be true as the original poster is his sugar daddy/godfather , just dont know what kind of relationship between them but close enough
You *think* based on the screenshot. is that the answer to "Are you 100% sure the chat speech were from Time"?
If Time really said those and got leaked, he should apologize. But the whole premise itself is controversial. Let's do not waste our time any more.
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On January 27 2019 03:18 William paradise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 03:12 Elmonti wrote:
The OP must be really pleased with the thread: not only he makes all of this public (clearly he doesn't like TIME), but he makes people argue for 10+ pages. Seriously, like he's laughing his ass off. so he doesnt like TIME does that excuse that kind of language. does that mean trump gets a pass for the bus tape?
You missunderstood my post..... I never said that excuses the things TIME said, cause I dont think so. In fact, I'm not even talking about TIME there. The thing is I hate people/media who do things just to provoke a big fuzz... and this 3-post-chinese-account clearly is one of those, without trying to solve anything.
And I talk about that because I've seen 6 or 7 accounts like that, and another thread defending TIME or whatever. So I think thtey are spreading their garbage in this forum, and I dont like it.
Don't compare this chinese 20yo SC2 player with the USA president please. It has nothing to do with that. Both can be talking shit about women and being misogynists, and still the situations are completely different.
On January 27 2019 04:37 William paradise wrote:
as i have not followed TIME as long as you ill take your word on him and yes if this a false smear then I would apologize to him but if true then yes i think he would need to at least apologies and yea I don't think Scarlett would join a team with a person who truly believes these things but you never know.
Lol, Scarlett can join the team she wants no matter what their teammates personalities are. She's not gonna forfeit an opportunity like that because one of them is an asshole. Plus I don't think the guy is yelling this stuff at the Root Unity House or when they talk... you can be kind of friends with someone and not knowing/caring that he and his friends say these things in their private chat.
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On January 27 2019 05:17 Elmonti wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 03:18 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 03:12 Elmonti wrote:
The OP must be really pleased with the thread: not only he makes all of this public (clearly he doesn't like TIME), but he makes people argue for 10+ pages. Seriously, like he's laughing his ass off. so he doesnt like TIME does that excuse that kind of language. does that mean trump gets a pass for the bus tape? You missunderstood my post..... I never said that excuses the things TIME said, cause I dont think so. In fact, I'm not even talking about TIME there. The thing is I hate people/media who do things just to provoke a big fuzz... and this 3-post-chinese-account clearly is one of those, without trying to solve anything. And I talk about that because I've seen 6 or 7 accounts like that, and another thread defending TIME or whatever. So I think thtey are spreading their garbage in this forum, and I dont like it. Don't compare this chinese 20yo SC2 player with the USA president please. It has nothing to do with that. Both can be talking shit about women and being misogynists, and still the situations are completely different. Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 04:37 William paradise wrote:
as i have not followed TIME as long as you ill take your word on him and yes if this a false smear then I would apologize to him but if true then yes i think he would need to at least apologies and yea I don't think Scarlett would join a team with a person who truly believes these things but you never know. Lol, Scarlett can join the team she wants no matter what their teammates personalities are. She's not gonna forfeit an opportunity like that because one of them is an asshole. Plus I don't think the guy is yelling this stuff at the Root Unity House or when they talk... you can be kind of friends with someone and not knowing/caring that he and his friends say these things in their private chat.
As far as I know about him, he is not that kind of peraon though.
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I don’t see why posters like yuisaka and William paradise who call for apologies, punishment, and widespread reform based on a single person’s private conversation are so personally invested. His comments are distasteful, but they don’t bring harm to anyone beyond causing them to be offended, which isn’t a terrible crime. You certainly aren’t victims, and getting outraged on others’ behalf is so unnecessary.
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On January 27 2019 05:41 Sero wrote:
I don’t see why posters like yuisaka and William paradise who call for apologies, punishment, and widespread reform based on a single person’s private conversation are so personally invested. His comments are distasteful, but they don’t bring harm to anyone beyond causing them to be offended, which isn’t a terrible crime. You certainly aren’t victims, and getting outraged on others’ behalf is so unnecessary.
ok so if say an athlete in any other sport was caught saying anything remotely like these they wouldn't either be crucified in the public writ large and or fired? please, the media would go crazy calling everyone who has money invested in them to pull there support if that person is still on that team. yea I would say at least a apologize is due for saying yea lets kill all women
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On January 27 2019 05:51 William paradise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 05:41 Sero wrote:
I don’t see why posters like yuisaka and William paradise who call for apologies, punishment, and widespread reform based on a single person’s private conversation are so personally invested. His comments are distasteful, but they don’t bring harm to anyone beyond causing them to be offended, which isn’t a terrible crime. You certainly aren’t victims, and getting outraged on others’ behalf is so unnecessary. ok so if say an athlete in any other sport was caught saying anything remotely like these they wouldn't either be crucified in the public writ large and or fired? please, the media would go crazy calling everyone who has money invested in them to pull there support if that person is still on that team. yea I would say at least a apologize is due for saying yea lets kill all women
Yeah, that would probably happen, but that doesn’t mean it’s an appropriate response. Just because it happens elsewhere doesn’t mean the reaction is reasonable or should be applied here as well.
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On January 27 2019 05:51 William paradise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 05:41 Sero wrote:
I don’t see why posters like yuisaka and William paradise who call for apologies, punishment, and widespread reform based on a single person’s private conversation are so personally invested. His comments are distasteful, but they don’t bring harm to anyone beyond causing them to be offended, which isn’t a terrible crime. You certainly aren’t victims, and getting outraged on others’ behalf is so unnecessary. ok so if say an athlete in any other sport was caught saying anything remotely like these they wouldn't either be crucified in the public writ large and or fired? please, the media would go crazy calling everyone who has money invested in them to pull there support if that person is still on that team. yea I would say at least a apologize is due for saying yea lets kill all women
NFL/NBA have players who've been involved in dogfighting and some gun violence stuff xD
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On January 27 2019 05:59 Sero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 05:51 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 05:41 Sero wrote:
I don’t see why posters like yuisaka and William paradise who call for apologies, punishment, and widespread reform based on a single person’s private conversation are so personally invested. His comments are distasteful, but they don’t bring harm to anyone beyond causing them to be offended, which isn’t a terrible crime. You certainly aren’t victims, and getting outraged on others’ behalf is so unnecessary. ok so if say an athlete in any other sport was caught saying anything remotely like these they wouldn't either be crucified in the public writ large and or fired? please, the media would go crazy calling everyone who has money invested in them to pull there support if that person is still on that team. yea I would say at least a apologize is due for saying yea lets kill all women Yeah, that would probably happen, but that doesn’t mean it’s an appropriate response. Just because it happens elsewhere doesn’t mean the reaction is reasonable or should be applied here as well.
ok yea i prolly went a tad overboard and i apologize.
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On January 26 2019 16:21 globalzhuxia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2019 16:14 Lambertus wrote:
Still not seeing the connection to GSL? Asking for clarification?
Edit: Regarding the title and the post I mean. After receving the e-mail from GSL,which tells Time can't join in both WCS and GSL,Time is angry.So he says this.
Where did you find that information?
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LoL, the problem here is it is a private conversation that is being posted publicly. I agree that it is rude and radical and disrespectful, in private conversation between friends, I will add f**k, sh*t even without notice (sorry for being a rude person T-T), but it is only limited to the very close friend. when we are talking with public or strangers we will focus more on what we say and what they mean.
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All in all, quite boring stuff. Let discuss how to play god damn TvP and how to win protoss
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On January 27 2019 06:49 Veritas99 wrote:
All in all, quite boring stuff. Let discuss how to play god damn TvP and how to win protoss
sorry you cant win protoss
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As far as I'm concerned, how insensitive your expressions are allowed to be depends mostly (if not solely) on the preferences of the people you reach with your message. When speaking in public, you are reaching far more people (when expressing yourself on the internet even most people on this planet) - with varying tastes and acceptance levels of insensitive comments - than when you have a private conversation. So naturally, you have to be more considerate with your speech in public.
The comments supposedly made by TIME were apparently made in private. As long as the person TIME was speaking to didn’t mind the comments, there is not much for us to be upset about. And if the person TIME was speaking to did mind the comments to the point of being offended, then I still see no reason for why that matters to us. We were not part of this conversation and the message was not meant for us.
The only reason to care would be if these comments laid bare a specific character trait of TIME that you think lowly of. If for instance you believe that TIME didn’t just say racist things, but actually holds racist beliefs, then I can understand why someone not part of the conversation would hold these comments against him. Personally though, I’m not convinced these comments reveal anything about the character of TIME. At least not to me, as I don’t know TIME on a personal level and therefor have no idea how to judge these comments. Offensive comments can be made in earnest, but also in jest or out of emotion. Do we really know which is the case here? I certainly don’t.
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We have all said terrible things in the ignorance of our youth. And still do too. While he should be careful how he words things that can go public, I just see this as a young man mouthing off. It happens and we shouldn't prosecute him. Probably just sound advice on how to act from those involved in his life would do him best.
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On January 27 2019 08:26 BisuDagger wrote:
We have all said terrible things in the ignorance of our youth. And still do too. While he should be careful how he words things that can go public, I just see this as a young man mouthing off. It happens and we shouldn't prosecute him. Probably just sound advice on how to act from those involved in his life would do him best.
Yeah,this is a totally private conversation,the guy post it is the worst one.Time should learn a lesson,not be banned.NOT LEGAL
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I'm annoyed at people who think this thread should be closed or we shouldn't talk about this or we're SJW white knights or whatever nonsense. Basically people should shut up to protect TIME is what some people here seem to think.
It's normal in most occupations to have some fuck-ups that lead to losing your job.
I'm not saying TIME should be banned or fired, but he should consider it part of his job to not let shit like this leak.
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Misleading translations.
the post of Weibo just means that "ooops ,@newbee, he's not a cute boy~"
although Time's words made some people feel uncomfortable, but basicly he just chose wrong words and driven by anger.
He's not a perfect, but as I know, he is a good teenager, and almost all the chinese starcraft fans like him, not just because of his game skills.
He have lots of korean friends, just like TY Soo Parting.... also have good relationship with Scarlett and Special, he's not a racist or a female hater, which is highlighted by some acconts and tried to use it attack him.
I believe some other shits was involved. Competitions of game and commerce are not always clean.
Considering of his age, this is a big mistake but it's not unforgivable.
And it's a lesson, as the best SC2 pro player of China, Time should take care of his behavior much more.
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On January 27 2019 02:35 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2019 02:16 7hincat wrote:On January 27 2019 02:14 ETisME wrote:On January 27 2019 01:51 NonY wrote:On January 27 2019 01:48 William paradise wrote:On January 27 2019 01:44 NonY wrote:
i dont see why this thread is open. some guy read something bad, thought it was bad, and now wants all of us to read it too. it's like a comedy bit i saw once where someone at a dinner eats something awful and their first reaction is to get everyone else at the table to try it, and one by one they each try it and say it's awful and encourage the next person to try it.
so to the OP, fuck you for thinking i wanted to read this shit. no, i didnt. and mods, wtf? question if I say a racist joke but its private and I am a public figure to you want to know that I make racist jokes? no. that shit is for gossip rags. whether TIME is a racist or a sexist or an angel, it has nothing to do with me watching him play starcraft. i'd watch a murderer play starcraft. i dont care. the two have nothing to do with each other this is an sc2 forum, not a gossip forum. if you care about personal lives of starcraft players then discuss it somewhere else if they did something socially unacceptable, then take it up with other people enforcing social justice. there are a ton of communities interested in enforcing social justice on gamers. this is not one of them if they did something illegal, then let the justice system take care of it it has nothing to do with sc2 he is a professional gamer and in a team, from SC2. if an actor did/say something racist at this level, I have no reason to doubt he/she would be punished, by sponsors or agent. I don't care if what was said happened in private or public time. I expect the same here in SC2 scene. On January 27 2019 02:12 7hincat wrote:On January 27 2019 02:05 gpanda.sc2 wrote:On January 27 2019 01:31 Silvanel wrote:
Its not the proper way to vent Your anger.
I mean it reveals a lot about him that when he is angry he thinks and says about raping and killing of Korean women, rather than venting specifically about GSL/WCS/SC2/persons directly responsible(or even Koreans in general) for his anger/problems, which would be much more understable and easier (at least in my book) to forgive. The fact that he is targeting something which isnt directly connected to the source of anger is very troubling for me. OK, It *reveals*... so it must be proved to be genuine at first, right? And even if it's real, circumstance and context is required, right? What if somebody point a gun at his head and force him to type those? What if after all those messages, he actually added another line "If I chat like this and get exposed on the web, will I get destroyed?" but was omitted by the one did the screenshot? if they are to set TIME up there's no use saying anything. Anyone from China can see that this is very misleading translation. Someone know they cant ruin TIME in China so they try to ruin his career oversea. After there's a Chinese Team League upcoming and killing TIME, the best player in China, may be the right way to ruin the League the translation is quite on point. 那照你这样说生气的时候在朋友面前骂两句操你妈也该被惩罚 带网友你来辣 English only site. Fuck your mum is a common swear word. Fuck the korean bitches is not, Fuck them till they faint is at another level. Simple as that.
If you think it is, then it is.
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