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Eladmiara
Profile Joined December 2018
25 Posts
December 31 2018 08:25 GMT
#1
Im 5k mmr terran in eu.
I feel very slow and even no at all progress. For about 4 months now
I play 10 games day on avg.. Analyze replays and training...
So master 2 is my peak?
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-31 09:11:38
December 31 2018 09:11 GMT
#2
There is not such thing as peak.
Anyone can get better at any skill until the moment they die.
If you played 20 games per day you would progress faster.

Skill is just:
Amount of time you practice * Quality of practice * Talent.

You can always improve the first two. And since the brain is plastic even talent can be improved to some degree.
Eladmiara
Profile Joined December 2018
25 Posts
December 31 2018 09:16 GMT
#3
On December 31 2018 18:11 MockHamill wrote:
There is not such thing as peak.
Anyone can get better at any skill until the moment they die.
If you played 20 games per day you would progress faster.

Skill is just:
Amount of time you practice * Quality of practice * Talent.

You can always improve the first two. And since the brain is plastic even talent can be improved to some degree.


In weekend i play 30 games day
So about 100 games week..
400 month.
I try to be efficante... I watch the replay from both me and enemy camera.. I still stuck.
My memory suck i forget to do little stuff that make me lose games.
I find it hard to micro vs storm even when im way ahead and oftan lose..
How cani improve past m2 into gm?
::Rhapsody
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Canada124 Posts
December 31 2018 09:34 GMT
#4
as someone who's played since wol and is stuck in 4.7K, and has been since wol (percentage wise) it saddens me but I want to say yes. I've tried lots of thigns in this game and never improved.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 31 2018 09:42 GMT
#5
On December 31 2018 18:16 Eladmiara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2018 18:11 MockHamill wrote:
There is not such thing as peak.
Anyone can get better at any skill until the moment they die.
If you played 20 games per day you would progress faster.

Skill is just:
Amount of time you practice * Quality of practice * Talent.

You can always improve the first two. And since the brain is plastic even talent can be improved to some degree.


In weekend i play 30 games day
So about 100 games week..
400 month.
I try to be efficante... I watch the replay from both me and enemy camera.. I still stuck.
My memory suck i forget to do little stuff that make me lose games.
I find it hard to micro vs storm even when im way ahead and oftan lose..
How cani improve past m2 into gm?

Pick one thing each day you want to improve in each matchup, based on whatever you feel you did badly in games you played the day before. You can't fix every problem at once, but if you can improve one thing each day, you should continue to improve a bit more.

As for the peaking, I think most people will cap out talent in high masters/low GM, irrespective of playtime/practice/coaching. You aren't quite there yet. so keep it up if you want to get better.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Eladmiara
Profile Joined December 2018
25 Posts
December 31 2018 09:50 GMT
#6
On December 31 2018 18:42 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2018 18:16 Eladmiara wrote:
On December 31 2018 18:11 MockHamill wrote:
There is not such thing as peak.
Anyone can get better at any skill until the moment they die.
If you played 20 games per day you would progress faster.

Skill is just:
Amount of time you practice * Quality of practice * Talent.

You can always improve the first two. And since the brain is plastic even talent can be improved to some degree.


In weekend i play 30 games day
So about 100 games week..
400 month.
I try to be efficante... I watch the replay from both me and enemy camera.. I still stuck.
My memory suck i forget to do little stuff that make me lose games.
I find it hard to micro vs storm even when im way ahead and oftan lose..
How cani improve past m2 into gm?

Pick one thing each day you want to improve in each matchup, based on whatever you feel you did badly in games you played the day before. You can't fix every problem at once, but if you can improve one thing each day, you should continue to improve a bit more.

As for the peaking, I think most people will cap out talent in high masters/low GM, irrespective of playtime/practice/coaching. You aren't quite there yet. so keep it up if you want to get better.


By high master u mean 5400?
Cuz gm in eu is 5600
Btw i beat 5k and 5.1k from time to time. But keep losing to 4.4k terran mech or 4.6k turtle colosus protoss ...
But ive never faced gm player...
Im not sure if it worth tokeep play since idk if icapped my limit..
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 31 2018 09:51 GMT
#7
I think you will know if you reached your peak the moment you make your 7th thread on tl which gets closed
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
vik7
Profile Joined May 2009
United States227 Posts
December 31 2018 10:18 GMT
#8
when you peak at 3.7k </3 feels bad, I feel like vegeta watching bullshit gokus/gohans progressing really fast
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WeakOwl
Profile Joined December 2018
25 Posts
December 31 2018 11:01 GMT
#9
You know you've reached your peak when you're in the same league 10 seasons in a row. Like the first guy said you're continually improving unfortunately so is everyone else. So your peak is basically when you reach the point at which everyone you play is improving at the same rate as you. I believe you may possibly be able to surpass your peak by grinding out games against someone of much greater skill than yourself.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15953 Posts
December 31 2018 11:02 GMT
#10
I think once you've played 10k games in a row without increasing your mmr at all you can say you've peaked.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
ilovegroov
Profile Joined January 2015
357 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-31 11:10:00
December 31 2018 11:09 GMT
#11
I do think it matters how many games you play per day. But then you have to seriously ask yourself if youre still having fun and whether its worth it.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
December 31 2018 11:19 GMT
#12
On December 31 2018 19:18 vik7 wrote:
when you peak at 3.7k </3 feels bad, I feel like vegeta watching bullshit gokus/gohans progressing really fast


Can promise this isn't your peak XD
You need to maybe try learn differently (if improvement is something you care about).
Learn some builds, and play them out against the AI and check how your timings are lining up.
Also try change your playstyle, if you never all-in for example, try drill that for a while. Your understanding of how to hold those things, and early game in general, will improve a lot.

As to the other person saying you've peaked after 10 seasons in the same league, I'm not sure I agree. I was diamond easily 10 seasons or more before first breaking through into masters. Although at 10 seasons you are probably not far off your ceiling unless you change something up about your learning and practicing process a lot.
HariSeldon
Profile Joined October 2018
Sweden114 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-31 11:31:09
December 31 2018 11:30 GMT
#13
Like most things in life, you don't truly know when you've peaked. But you can still make a reasonable assesment, which it seems you have. To be sure I think you'd ought to get someone significantly better than you (who also happens to be a good teacher) to watch several of your replays in order to determine a path forward.

I've personally never played in ny structured manner whatsoever, as in I play terran and I didn't even know what most protoss buildings did for several years; what structures or units they unlocked. I like to say it's because I don't care and just want to have fun, but really it's probably just cause I'm too lazy.
Liquipedias don’t win wars.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
December 31 2018 12:31 GMT
#14
You better play for fun and stop caring about your own peak. Most players, when they got promoted to gm ONCE, they stop play sc2 after few games. Very noticeable since first expansion HotS.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
sertman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-31 12:35:38
December 31 2018 12:34 GMT
#15
On December 31 2018 18:11 MockHamill wrote:
There is not such thing as peak.
Anyone can get better at any skill until the moment they die.
If you played 20 games per day you would progress faster.

Skill is just:
Amount of time you practice * Quality of practice * Talent.

You can always improve the first two. And since the brain is plastic even talent can be improved to some degree.


That is an admirable view and I hope you keep it, but it flies in the face of neuropsychology. For example, people with ADHD have dysfunctional prefrontal cortexes and as hard as they try they probably will not be able to sustain the attention necessary to compete after a certain MMR. The point I'm making here is that everyone is on an executive functioning spectrum. I can play 10k games and be 4k MMR and you can play 10k games and be 6k MMR even if we both practice and analyze together. Talent exists, everyone's brains are different and some people will peak before others. Some of the top chess players can play blindfolded when they are 6/7 years old (Judit Polgar could play blindfolded by 4 years old). That is not teachable. Someone like Stephano has to work hard, but he can get drunk and high and show up and still compete with the best.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15953 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-31 12:41:08
December 31 2018 12:37 GMT
#16
On December 31 2018 18:11 MockHamill wrote:
There is not such thing as peak.
Anyone can get better at any skill until the moment they die.
If you played 20 games per day you would progress faster.

Skill is just:
Amount of time you practice * Quality of practice * Talent.

You can always improve the first two. And since the brain is plastic even talent can be improved to some degree.

That's unfortunately not true.
What about players who have played 10k games in a row without improving their mmr at all?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-31 13:45:09
December 31 2018 13:43 GMT
#17
On December 31 2018 21:37 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2018 18:11 MockHamill wrote:
There is not such thing as peak.
Anyone can get better at any skill until the moment they die.
If you played 20 games per day you would progress faster.

Skill is just:
Amount of time you practice * Quality of practice * Talent.

You can always improve the first two. And since the brain is plastic even talent can be improved to some degree.

That's unfortunately not true.
What about players who have played 10k games in a row without improving their mmr at all?


It is because the quality of practice is bad.

If you gave him the best coach on the planet and the best training partners on the planet and he played 10.000 more games he would be several times better.

The whole reason Koreans were superior to Western players were that their quality of practice was better. Now when the team houses are dead the Korean advantage is much smaller, which is also show that the difference in skill is much less compared to what it used to be.


MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-31 13:53:45
December 31 2018 13:52 GMT
#18
On December 31 2018 21:34 sertman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2018 18:11 MockHamill wrote:
There is not such thing as peak.
Anyone can get better at any skill until the moment they die.
If you played 20 games per day you would progress faster.

Skill is just:
Amount of time you practice * Quality of practice * Talent.

You can always improve the first two. And since the brain is plastic even talent can be improved to some degree.


That is an admirable view and I hope you keep it, but it flies in the face of neuropsychology. For example, people with ADHD have dysfunctional prefrontal cortexes and as hard as they try they probably will not be able to sustain the attention necessary to compete after a certain MMR. The point I'm making here is that everyone is on an executive functioning spectrum. I can play 10k games and be 4k MMR and you can play 10k games and be 6k MMR even if we both practice and analyze together. Talent exists, everyone's brains are different and some people will peak before others. Some of the top chess players can play blindfolded when they are 6/7 years old (Judit Polgar could play blindfolded by 4 years old). That is not teachable. Someone like Stephano has to work hard, but he can get drunk and high and show up and still compete with the best.


Well I said the formula was:
Amount of practice * Quality of practice * Talent

Obviously if you have 1000 players practicing for 30.000 hours they will all be great but some will be greater than others.
The outcome will be determined by the quality of their practice and their talent.

For normal ladder players I really doubt it is lack of talent holding them back. If they played more and had a world class coach helping them focus on how they should improve they would improve much faster.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-31 17:53:39
December 31 2018 16:45 GMT
#19
You reach your peak when you say you do.

When you're not willing to work hard to get better, not willing to learn to new things or change the way you play, not willing to seek out the help of others... when your mind gives up, then you've reached your peak.

Doing hard things isn't easy or relaxing, you have to push yourself. But if you want to deliver unreasonable and unexpected results, you have to be an unreasonable person who doesn't listen to those who'll tell you you've reached your limit. If it was easy, everyone would be a champion.

So the only person who can answer that question, is you.
Ulargg
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands33 Posts
December 31 2018 17:33 GMT
#20
Over time there are two things that are happening.

- People stop playing, which increases the average skill level.
- The people that keep playing get better.

So if you manage to keep at the same MMR it still means you are improving.
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