EPTOn October 25 2018 00:05 Bagration wrote:
Hot take time: IF sOs wins this Blizzcon, he's the greatest Protoss of SC2
Hot take time: IF sOs wins this Blizzcon, he's the greatest Protoss of SC2
he already is the greatest Protoss tied with Zest imo
sOs: Rounding Third - Road to BlizzCon 2018 (#15) - Page 2
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
he already is the greatest Protoss tied with Zest imo | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On October 25 2018 04:13 Charoisaur wrote: he already is the greatest Protoss tied with Zest imo I don't think its that clear cut actually. At the moment I feel Classic, Zest, sOs and Stats are pretty close to each other when it comes to overall greatness. Personally I value Classics consistency highly but there are arguments for all four I feel. | ||
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jissytito
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egrimm
Poland1202 Posts
On October 25 2018 04:31 Shuffleblade wrote: I don't think its that clear cut actually. At the moment I feel Classic, Zest, sOs and Stats are pretty close to each other when it comes to overall greatness. Personally I value Classics consistency highly but there are arguments for all four I feel. It seems like we got to similar position as with Korean Terrans like 1 year ago when we had this "4 Horseman" narrative which kind of fizzled out when Maru won all GSLs wheras ByuN and Inno feel down with theirs performances  I wonder if something similar might happen with those 4 tosses. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On October 25 2018 04:42 egrimm wrote: It seems like we got to similar position as with Korean Terrans like 1 year ago when we had this "4 Horseman" narrative which kind of fizzled out when Maru won all GSLs wheras ByuN and Inno feel down with theirs performances I wonder if something similar might happen with those 4 tosses. God knows how the 4 horsemen ever got traction cause by the time that caught on ByuN was less relevant than GuMiho and aLive. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 25 2018 04:49 Elentos wrote: God knows how the 4 horsemen ever got traction cause by the time that caught on ByuN was less relevant than GuMiho and aLive. It's not that shocking when you consider INno was the least relevent he's ever been in sc2 when the 4 horsemen thing started. It was around blizzcon 2016 when Artosis first used it I think. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On October 25 2018 04:58 Fango wrote: Considering when the 4 horsemen thing started INno was the least relevent he's ever been in sc2? It was around blizzcon 2016 when Artosis first started using it I think. I don't think anyone actually called them that before Inno won IEM Ggyeongi. And I don't think it became popular until around Katowice 2017. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2223 Posts
Not sure how this can be true given that Soulkey himself was on Woonjin and was the ace. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 25 2018 05:32 Edpayasugo wrote: The standout member of Woongjin Stars surpassed all expectations on his semifinals run, barely losing out to eventual champion Soulkey Not sure how this can be true given that Soulkey himself was on Woonjin and was the ace. This is about GSL, thankfully teammates can play against each other in individual leagues  | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On October 25 2018 04:31 Shuffleblade wrote: I don't think its that clear cut actually. At the moment I feel Classic, Zest, sOs and Stats are pretty close to each other when it comes to overall greatness. Personally I value Classics consistency highly but there are arguments for all four I feel. Classic and Stats really? They are the best right now but in terms of overall achievements they're lacking behind Zest and sOs by a significant margin. I'd even rate herO and Rain above them. | ||
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Topim0
Finland8 Posts
He has won 2 Blizzcon titles. Only Genius has even got one from other tosses. SoS might also be considered 1# player of sc2. No one else has got 2 Blizzcon titles. | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2223 Posts
On October 25 2018 05:35 The_Red_Viper wrote: This is about GSL, thankfully teammates can play against each other in individual leagues I'm not sure what you mean, I'm saying that Soulkey was the standout member of Woonjin, not sOs | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 25 2018 06:28 Edpayasugo wrote: I'm not sure what you mean, I'm saying that Soulkey was the standout member of Woonjin, not sOs Oh that angle, well even then sOs had the best record and won just as many ace matches. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On October 25 2018 05:36 Charoisaur wrote: Classic and Stats really? They are the best right now but in terms of overall achievements they're lacking behind Zest and sOs by a significant margin. I'd even rate herO and Rain above them. Yeah, when looking a bit more into the actual results I guess Zest to be slightly ahead of the pack, also pretty crazy this will be Zests fourth wcs finals. However I really tend to rate Classics overall results over a long period and dual SSL and GSL championship titles above sOs results. I do rate GSL higher than the wcs finals to be honest. Stats is farther behind these three and Rain, really this is where I'm pretty surprised. Don't see Rain being comparable to Classic in overall greatness. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On October 25 2018 05:36 Charoisaur wrote: Classic and Stats really? They are the best right now but in terms of overall achievements they're lacking behind Zest and sOs by a significant margin. I'd even rate herO and Rain above them. Zest and sOs always trade back and forth each year for the top spot imo. I think Zest has pulled back ahead to #1 ever so slightly what with making another final and ro4 this year but sOs could easily change that. Stats trails with the most consistent performance of LotV by far which includes 4 starleague finals appearances and 2 wins among other things. Zest sOs Stats herO MC PartinG Rain Classic Dear Is my rough ranking of the great Protoss players. MC and PartinG are sure to catch shit, but idc they both had staggering longevity and PartinG in particular has had the greatest consistency of all but just hasn't quite hit the same peak levels as others on this list. They both get bonus points for being highly relevant in WoL which was the dark age for Protoss (ditto for Rain). | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
So the question is whether we rank BlizzCon so highly that it overshadows sOs' rather mediocre performance throughout the rest of the year. And I personally don't. I used to rank Code S more highly because players have to perform over a longer period of time and therefore show more consistency to win it. However, foreigners have massively caught up, to the point where it can actively be held against GSL that a player like Serral isn't in it, while BlizzCon does have him and others that could easily play in Code S in terms of quality. So I don't think Zest's Code S performance this year did much to swing it in his favor, it's rather that sOs' BlizzCons shouldn't be valued as highly as Zest's Code S wins when Code S was still the more impressive tournament to win. That's just my opinion though of course. | ||
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
Now, sOs deserve his special spot for some reason - especially because he missed the chance last year where he performed some splendid final in Code S against Inno. He and Rain will always remain my two very favorite tosses for all time. But to be honest, I'll be more glad if Classic make it this time because he deserves it in many aspects. Many of the top tosses now were very underrated - sOs in the beginning if his rise back in 2013, Classic - almost all of the time, Stats - it's because he is too balanced and solid Kind of Inno's form, no extraordinary moves, but always keeping the middle high level. Only Zest among the other toss finalists now got the usual respect and fear in those years in the past. It seems that the attitude is changed right now because Zest seems a bit overshadowed by the other tosses. From what I saw in the last Super Tournament I still can't tell how sOs is feeling. Last year he was much stronger in the end of September and unfortunately he lost the final. But strategies belong to many other players - TY, Inno, Dark, Stats... sOs is faith, pure faith and love. Third Blizzcon title will erase the hard feeling that he got no Code S title yet I guess. | ||
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dummy1
420 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On October 25 2018 07:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Zest and sOs always trade back and forth each year for the top spot imo. I think Zest has pulled back ahead to #1 ever so slightly what with making another final and ro4 this year but sOs could easily change that. Stats trails with the most consistent performance of LotV by far which includes 4 starleague finals appearances and 2 wins among other things. Zest sOs Stats herO MC PartinG Rain Classic Dear Is my rough ranking of the great Protoss players. MC and PartinG are sure to catch shit, but idc they both had staggering longevity and PartinG in particular has had the greatest consistency of all but just hasn't quite hit the same peak levels as others on this list. They both get bonus points for being highly relevant in WoL which was the dark age for Protoss (ditto for Rain). You might be right about Stats I guess. his resumé has gotten really impressive in the last few years. Though he gets some minus points for having no tournament wins in the Kespa era so I'm not sure. | ||
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