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On August 05 2018 12:21 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:Show nested quote +Do you even read what you type? How could a top 3 player in the world not have vods available to be watched? In what world can foreigners watch GSL and Koreans have 0 access to WCS?
Did Neeb not have vods in 2016? Nope. He had but Koreans did not aware of him at Kespa Cup, and they started watch VODs in blizzcon. Same as Serral in this tounament.
There isn't anything he's doing that is dramatically different from other top Zergs....he just does it better and faster. His decision making is top notch and fast.
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On August 05 2018 14:50 papaz wrote:
Now Serral is not gonna be able to win Blizzcon.
Just like Neeb, everyone is gonna study him and respect him which will put an end to Serrals lings killing workers.
Just like no one waited for Neebs late game disruptor death ball anymore but just straight up killed him early.
Lol - he sums up all of Serral's success to "lings killing workers" - that's it, he's cracked the code.
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On August 05 2018 21:51 Hillshtify wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2018 23:05 yubo56 wrote:Watching Serral play, I feel like I understand how non-saviOr fans must have felt during his reign of dominance. It's never very flashy, but somehow in every situation he finds the best play. There's some meta evolution going on, but the army positioning, the constant counterattack threat from Serral have been so on point lately Here to stay: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/final-edits/102206-here-to-stay Was Innovation "flashy" when he had his run at multiple titles? What about MVP or Stats when they won a GSL? Who's the flashiest player you can think of? Has would probably be it. I don't really get why flashiness is a concern at all and what that means....Serral is flashy in that he can defend the attack, counterattack you, and continue to macro. That's all the flash I need. I don't think any other Koreans are are any more or less flashy...aside from maybe early Life (weird style) and some of the crazier ones, they are few & far between though. I just think your comment is a throwaway statement that means nothing when you break it down.
I'd consider Maru, Rogue, Dark, herO and sOs all as flashy players
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On August 05 2018 09:59 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2018 04:11 Fango wrote:On August 05 2018 01:47 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:I know I don't have the skills to even criticize players rightfully because I get rekt when I try myself, but by now shouldn't pro players realize that Serral's signature thing is ling runbys to kill workers, and keep rallied units behind there? (Talking to Protoss, Terran). It just annoys me when people have a great wall but leave the defenses behind it inadequate. Kind of like a castle with thick walls but no people behind. I saw Innovation do a little of this but he was using an entire depot width so his defending units ended up too few. If he had the building space of a half depot open there are numerous times when he could have kept out 100 lings.
Korean players simply didn't know Serral's style while Serral watches GSL and studied Korean pros' styles. Serral isn't a foreigner who can be beaten easily like any other foreigners. INnoVation and Dark were kinda arrogant to not know their opponent before the match. They just played too simple without bringing any build or strategy. And this is what they got. Just like when no Koreans knew who Neeb was in 2016 Kespa Cup, and after Neeb won the Kespa Cup, they all started to study Neeb before blizzcon there. Maybe. Or maybe Serral's just that good. Koreans underestimating foreigners was huge in 2016, I dunno how huge it would be now. Trust me, koreans don't underestimate Serral. Neeb came out of literally nowhere and 2016 was also a very chaotic domestic year for koreans, but I think people do overrate that 2016 Kespa Cup run. It was essentially all PvP, which Neeb was admittedly very good at, but Serral is a three-dimensional player with more depth than I ever expected.
They probably underestimated Serral. They might have been aware of his success, but they're still used to cleaning foreigners. I don't think any of them worked hard to prepare or study him at all, not to try and take away from his victories however, he played at an elite level. But it's reasonable to assume his opponents didn't quite expect it.
Koreans are good at sniping opponents, they study them and prepare builds for each map. A good example is Classic vs Serral at katowice, Classic said himself he treated it like he was preparing a top opponent. I don't believe INno and Dark did that, they didn't care about Serral at all until after the tournament started.
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On August 05 2018 16:33 FrkFrJss wrote:
Right, like IEM Pyeongchang..oh wait. Or like WESG....oh wait. Or like Hangzhou...oh wait.
But to be fair, one of the strengths of the Koreans is their ability to study and prepare for an opponent. Not saying that foreigners don't do that, but these top Koreans have the experience and knowledge of preparing for their opponents. Tournaments with less time to prepare for opponents generally favour foreigners because the foreigners are less known than fellow Koreans.
WeSG was a beatdown. The koreans did rinse and repeat builds and all made top 4 barely dropping maps. If anything it just fueled Maru and Dark's beliefs that foreigners are a joke.
IEM Pyeongchang was a joke of a tournament, and Zest absolutely sucked. Although Scarlett beating sOs was a big upset (yes I know she used imba builds that got patched out, but it was still an upset).
I don't think anyone cares about Hangzhou tbh.
IEM Katowice is a good example, it was the biggest tournament of the year, with almost every pro player in the world entering it. And it ended up with Serral the only foreigner placing highly (just like gsl vs tw). GSL is also the biggest long running event in sc2, and other than Scarlett going deep once then falling off, foreigners haven't had much success.
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On August 05 2018 18:15 jinroairwings wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2018 01:04 MockHamill wrote:
I said all year that Serral is the best or second best sc2 player. Turned out I was right. He is extremly solid and does not rely on gimmicks. He just outplays his opponents. He is favored to win vs every korean player, except maybe Maru. I think that Jinro is still the best foreigner ever. No foreigner has ever made it to the round of 4 in the GSL besides Jinro. The GSL regular seasons are much more competitive and meaningful than these fluff events. That's why Maru didn't bother showing his A game. That's why players like Neeb and Serral can make it this far... Koreans are simply hiding their good builds and skill.
Lol - Maru decided he didn't want an extra 15k or whatever, sand-bagged for the whole even. Get real.
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Really impressed with Serral this year; he's definitely cemented himself as the current #1 foreigner.
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On August 05 2018 22:42 Hillshtify wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2018 18:15 jinroairwings wrote:On August 05 2018 01:04 MockHamill wrote:
I said all year that Serral is the best or second best sc2 player. Turned out I was right. He is extremly solid and does not rely on gimmicks. He just outplays his opponents. He is favored to win vs every korean player, except maybe Maru. I think that Jinro is still the best foreigner ever. No foreigner has ever made it to the round of 4 in the GSL besides Jinro. The GSL regular seasons are much more competitive and meaningful than these fluff events. That's why Maru didn't bother showing his A game. That's why players like Neeb and Serral can make it this far... Koreans are simply hiding their good builds and skill. Lol - Maru decided he didn't want an extra 15k or whatever, sand-bagged for the whole even. Get real.
It's obvious that Maru doesn't show his A-game outside of GSL or big events like WeSG and Katowice. I'm sure he enjoys the money, but he said at the start of the event he has been taking time of to recharge and try his hardest to win GSL S3.
Also the idea that pros only care about money and put in all their effort for every event is nonsese. Maru turned down Nation Wars when it was basically free 5K and a trip to France. And he literally never enters online events even though he could easily earn thousands playing in them.
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