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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
Now to find the middle ground, what if after it has shot it would still get revealed, but you could make it invisible again just by reburrowing it. So the opponent would have a window to kill it without detection, but with good micro there is a good chance you can save your mines . Thoughts? | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
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Lokxpr
24 Posts
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LegoesRockRaider
Denmark6 Posts
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Mier19891
United States75 Posts
On April 04 2018 20:56 LegoesRockRaider wrote: Very good idea. It would also indirectly make the widow mine upgrade better. It would quite directly make it MUCH better. One might even decry as OP. | ||
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
Maybe (as a contribution to the theology of this thread) the widow mine could have an animation that runs like 10 seconds quicker than the reload, which changes the color of the light on top, indicating a burrowable mine. I dunno, also the reload speed in general feels just a tad too slow for its available counter-play Just my thoughts | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Your solution would mines too good in early TvP if you have high APM. My solution would make early TvP mine drops less strong (which is good) but make mines much more useful in the midgame and the lategame where they underperform. The last thing Terran needs is even more micro. The micro requirments for the race is already too high, the race should be playable even for those that are not Maru. | ||
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Dillon1
118 Posts
People also need to realize mines now have to be able to Either A. do massive dmg to cover their retreat, or B. be more of a perimiter unit than a trench unit used with marines and medivacs to hold ground.. With the upgrade however it would open up timings where a shitload of mines suddenly can revert back to parade styles | ||
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yubo56
690 Posts
One difficulty is conveying the "your widow mine is currently visible! but you can unburrow and reburrow to recloak it" visually. Think it might just be easier to have widow mines unburrow on shooting? Would be visually clear what's going on. Mines staying invisible after tunneling claws seems okay to me as well, but I don't feel like there are that many upgrades in the game that have multiple side effects? Would be a bit inconsistent is all. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On April 04 2018 21:33 Mier19891 wrote: It would quite directly make it MUCH better. One might even decry as OP. People call everything OP | ||
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WeddingEpisode
United States356 Posts
This would seem to directly address all the 'issues'. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 04 2018 23:55 WeddingEpisode wrote: Why didn't they just increase the cost of the original widow mine (maybe with some damage nerf)? This would seem to directly address all the 'issues'. It would make them not viable as army units and still destroy mineral lines without a detection...? ??? | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
This change presents the similar counterplay issues, and Widow Mine drops would again be too effective. Consider how cheap and easy they are to build, and the fact they deal near instant burst damage (which in itself limits counterplay to begin with). They never should have been as strong as they were. A unit that is that cheap and can be Reactored shouldn't provide the amount of burst damage and map control that the old Widow Mine could provide. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
That nerf was done because Protoss gateway units were struggling, exactly the opposite of what is happening now. | ||
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Doink
75 Posts
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WeddingEpisode
United States356 Posts
On April 05 2018 00:00 Ej_ wrote: It would make them not viable as army units and still destroy mineral lines without a detection...? ??? Nexus should have the ability to reveal (momentarily) proximal cloaked units, at an energy cost equal to Terran's Orbital, . Zerg and Terran can get detection easily enough. | ||
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StabiloBoss20
313 Posts
if you wanna safe them, unburrow them and run away. obviously dont work in every situation, but thats fine. dont forget they are only 75/25... thats 25 minerals more then a baneling. i think its fine, if they die after getting a shot of. a single mine can fail, but if you build a bunch its most of the time a very cost efficient unit. | ||
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WeddingEpisode
United States356 Posts
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LTCM
174 Posts
On April 05 2018 04:26 WeddingEpisode wrote: Nexus should have the ability to reveal (momentarily) proximal cloaked units, at an energy cost equal to Terran's Orbital, . Zerg and Terran can get detection easily enough. Why would it cost as much as a scan? A scan is way more powerful than what you are suggesting so there is absolutely no reason it should cost as much. What they need to do is allow observers to be built from the nexus. Protoss is the only race that doesn't get detection from their base structures. Widow mines could then be reverted. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On April 05 2018 07:20 WeddingEpisode wrote: Well, or, true to real form, once mines have detonated, they're dead. And all units have ammo counters, and fuel gauges, and get tired, and every player has to fill out a hundred pages of paperwork on casualty reports and supply requisitions and logistics. Realism is a terrible argument for anything in any game. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17429 Posts
On April 04 2018 22:10 MockHamill wrote: I think a better solution is to give back the invisible burrow when you get the mine uppgrade. Your solution would mines too good in early TvP if you have high APM. My solution would make early TvP mine drops less strong (which is good) but make mines much more useful in the midgame and the lategame where they underperform. The last thing Terran needs is even more micro. The micro requirments for the race is already too high, the race should be playable even for those that are not Maru. i think this is a great idea. On April 04 2018 22:10 MockHamill wrote: The last thing Terran needs is even more micro. The micro requirments for the race is already too high, the race should be playable even for those that are not Maru. true. that said, i knew it was the most micro intense when i chose to play terran and i just accepted the fact that i'd lose to players who might be considered slightly worse than me who play as zerg or protoss. i think players with less than 150 APM just have to accept the fact that the game won't be perfectly balanced for them. My APM is around 125 when i play on a regular basis. I've watched other Code S Korean Terrans play on Twitch and the difference in their APM and my APM means that really..we're playing 2 different games. | ||
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getg00d
United States120 Posts
On April 05 2018 11:25 pvsnp wrote: And all units have ammo counters, and fuel gauges, and get tired, and every player has to fill out a hundred pages of paperwork on casualty reports and supply requisitions and logistics. Realism is a terrible argument for anything in any game. ha lelmfa0 | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17429 Posts
On April 05 2018 11:25 pvsnp wrote: And all units have ammo counters, and fuel gauges, and get tired, and every player has to fill out a hundred pages of paperwork on casualty reports and supply requisitions and logistics. Realism is a terrible argument for anything in any game. increased realism has been a popular feature of video games for 40+ years. + Show Spoiler + i couldn't explain it any better than George Plimpton. | ||
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