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On January 12 2018 16:34 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 14:44 Scarlett` wrote:
featured articles like this make pros lose any respect they had for the site C'mon, using your pro status to try to suppress opinions is pretty low. It might even cause some readers to lose any respect they had for you.
And you're trying to suppress his opinions too.
How good is this kind of article for the game ?
it's not like there are some many people playing SC2.
TL was like a reference on SC2, not just a random website, mostly because they used to be neutral/not biased and moderate some rage/balance whine behavior.
But recently, they start supporting more and more the "Terran whine", releasing pro-terran articles after pro-terran articles.
It's not fine because on the other side, the view of P and Zerg are not expressed, they stop neutrality for "pro-terran support".
Now they start non-terran progamer bashing ? Really ?
It's the view of one poster, but if you highligh it on the website you say you support it.
He, you can do whatever you want, but well we can stop considering TL to be something different and more respectable than a random SC2 website.
Now it's just TL website, the "Terran lobbying website" and it has no right to claim to represent more than that on the SC2 scene.
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On January 12 2018 17:27 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 16:34 opisska wrote:On January 12 2018 14:44 Scarlett` wrote:
featured articles like this make pros lose any respect they had for the site C'mon, using your pro status to try to suppress opinions is pretty low. It might even cause some readers to lose any respect they had for you. [...] It's not fine because on the other side, the view of P and Zerg are not expressed, they stop neutrality for "pro-terran support".
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/529530-protossed-or-how-we-gave-up-on-understanding
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Russian Federation188 Posts
I wholeheartedly disagree with the article. I think this is the brilliance of Rogue who grows out off being a cheesy player, then falls behind in 2016, starts consistently play ladder and succeeds in the end.
We witness the evolution of a player in him - he is the Life's heir - the best Zerg in the world
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On January 12 2018 16:57 shadymmj wrote:
i dont think rogue is an S class player (as opposed to soo, dark) but this writer and article are awful. i don't think i've read anything that was not nonsense and fake news from this particular staff writer.
Fake news mentioned on TL article. What did i do to deserve seeing this.
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On January 12 2018 17:27 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 16:34 opisska wrote:On January 12 2018 14:44 Scarlett` wrote:
featured articles like this make pros lose any respect they had for the site C'mon, using your pro status to try to suppress opinions is pretty low. It might even cause some readers to lose any respect they had for you. And you're trying to suppress his opinions too. How good is this kind of article for the game ? it's not like there are some many people playing SC2. TL was like a reference on SC2, not just a random website, mostly because they used to be neutral/not biased and moderate some rage/balance whine behavior. But recently, they start supporting more and more the "Terran whine", releasing pro-terran articles after pro-terran articles. It's not fine because on the other side, the view of P and Zerg are not expressed, they stop neutrality for "pro-terran support". Now they start non-terran progamer bashing ? Really ? It's the view of one poster, but if you highligh it on the website you say you support it. He, you can do whatever you want, but well we can stop considering TL to be something different and more respectable than a random SC2 website. Now it's just TL website, the "Terran lobbying website" and it has no right to claim to represent more than that on the SC2 scene.
I just wanted to remind you that the author is a Z ))
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On January 12 2018 17:27 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 16:34 opisska wrote:On January 12 2018 14:44 Scarlett` wrote:
featured articles like this make pros lose any respect they had for the site C'mon, using your pro status to try to suppress opinions is pretty low. It might even cause some readers to lose any respect they had for you. And you're trying to suppress his opinions too. How good is this kind of article for the game ? it's not like there are some many people playing SC2. TL was like a reference on SC2, not just a random website, mostly because they used to be neutral/not biased and moderate some rage/balance whine behavior. But recently, they start supporting more and more the "Terran whine", releasing pro-terran articles after pro-terran articles. It's not fine because on the other side, the view of P and Zerg are not expressed, they stop neutrality for "pro-terran support". Now they start non-terran progamer bashing ? Really ? It's the view of one poster, but if you highligh it on the website you say you support it. He, you can do whatever you want, but well we can stop considering TL to be something different and more respectable than a random SC2 website. Now it's just TL website, the "Terran lobbying website" and it has no right to claim to represent more than that on the SC2 scene.
It’s important to know that Terran is the main race in Starcraft. Always has always will be, people start out wanting to be like boxer. Terran is the beautiful race and TvT the best mirror. I say this being a Protoss player for most of sc2. When a godlike player plays Terran, I will always want to watch.
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On January 12 2018 02:08 Waxangel wrote:
he just hates StarCraft II and joy in general
I agree + he admits on twitter he's a troll,
The real question is why are his articles *featured* on joyful sc2 loving TL website ?
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TB was right. Toxic sludgepit of moderation. Terrible stuff.
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Nice follow up to protossed. Good to see that sc2 gets the content it deserves
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On January 12 2018 16:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 16:34 opisska wrote:On January 12 2018 14:44 Scarlett` wrote:
featured articles like this make pros lose any respect they had for the site C'mon, using your pro status to try to suppress opinions is pretty low. It might even cause some readers to lose any respect they had for you. You have a pretty low bar for "suppressing opinions"... "Expressing disapproval as to the website endorsing these opinions" would be a more accurate description. Though there have been way worse articles in the past. Such as "Welcome to ZParcraft II" which despite all the solid research and the statistics turned into a giant heap of balance whining due to being written in the most insufferable tone ever.
No I don't. Scarlett's post is explicitly formulated as "we pros won't like your site if you post things like this", which is an open abuse of her status in trying to influence the content of the site, in this particular sense trying to push the site for not having similar articles in the future, hence, suppressing opinions. If this was written by a regular joe, speaking for themselves, it would be just an opinion. It is the explicit reference to the "pros" that makes this post so shitty.
Back in the day, I was always psyched to see a pro or a content producer come to TL and interact. However it turns sour more often than it doesn't. Sometimes it is wannabe "celebrities" that think only their opinion matters because everyone else knows nothing (hi TB), sometimes it's players who think they do us a huge service by playing a game and all they deserve is a praise, But really the worst is this "racial agenda". It's stupid enough when pushed by platinum heroes (who could switch race on a whim if they wanted) and it is outright absurd when pros get involved and trying to use their weight to push the public opinion from nerfing their own race instead of getting better.
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Jeez, I feel like once upon a time you'd get warned for posting a comment like this article.
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On January 12 2018 18:53 neutralrobot wrote:
Jeez, I feel like once upon a time you'd get warned for posting a comment like this article.
Don't worry, you can get away with worse if you're a pro ! And don't tell me it's sarcastic because even if it is, I've seen plenty of sarcastic people with warnings and/or bans.
Also, if we could get away with calling Jonnyrecco and Ziktomini patchzergs in the past, I don't see why we can't call Rogue the same thing (not that this article is only about calling Rogue a patchzerg, but everyone seems to want to focus only on that).
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On January 12 2018 18:56 Durnuu wrote:
Also, if we could get away with calling Jonnyrecco and Ziktomini patchzergs in the past, I don't see why we can't call Rogue the same thing (not that this article is only about calling Rogue a patchzerg, but everyone seems to want to focus only on that).
Jonnyrecco wasn't a patchzerg, he was The Patchzerg !
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On January 12 2018 16:34 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 14:44 Scarlett` wrote:
featured articles like this make pros lose any respect they had for the site C'mon, using your pro status to try to suppress opinions is pretty low. It might even cause some readers to lose any respect they had for you.
TL is one of, if not the main foreign nexus for SC2 related material and exposure.
It is the place to go for reporting on current SC2 events.
It is the place to go to advertise yourself as a streamer and get some publicity.
It hosts the resource for tournament brackets, advertising and organisation.
It's completely fair to expect a modicum of professionality and respect towards the pro players that make any of it worthwhile or possible, especially given the mutually beneficial relationship this place and SC2 pros, casters and organisers have.
Scarlett is not suppressing opinion, she is giving her own as to why this kind of thing is no go if you want to be taken seriously. Imagine if this was on a KR site for SC2? Imagine if Rogue frequented TL, it would be a ****-show. As a player you'd know any joke could be made at your expense, casting doubt in fan's minds about the things you've committed this whole mini-career to, and it could be put up as a featured article.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I think it's incredibly narrow-minded to assume that mizenhauer wrote this article to bash on Rogue or that he doesn’t respect his achievements. But even if he did, articles of this kind have always been very clearly formulated as opinion pieces, and somehow equating mizenhauer's opinion with some preconceived notion of how Teamliquid promotes clickbait, bashing and toxic attitudes is pretty rich. Better to address the content that builds the conclusion that the formulation of that conclusion, if the conclusion so offends.
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I dunno maybe people focus on the "patchzerg" thing because it is written as a conclusion and even highlighted ("is")?
At least the formulation is problematic. Replace "patchzerg" with any insult ("no-skill", "bitch", "ass hole") and see how the article reads...
Maybe the author should not have stated so strongly in a matter of fact tone with "is an opinion" like all people agree on it. Something along the lines of. There are people who will call him "patchzerg". But then it's not so catchy ...
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In this case, "opinion pieces" like these shouldn't be a featured article and promoted by the site itself. It might be funny as an inside joke, or as a hypothetical posting, but not as a featured article. They should be as posted as normal, not as a "Text byTeamLiquid ESPORTS". It doesn't serve any purpose but self promotion. Imagine it wasn't Rogue, but someone who frequents the site respectfully like Snute or Scarlett. It's just plain disrespectful, no matter how you hide it with the other text.
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United States33541 Posts
Make sure to tune in to GSL (in 14 hours!) to watch Rogue stick it to Mizenhauer!
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On January 12 2018 17:27 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2018 16:34 opisska wrote:On January 12 2018 14:44 Scarlett` wrote:
featured articles like this make pros lose any respect they had for the site C'mon, using your pro status to try to suppress opinions is pretty low. It might even cause some readers to lose any respect they had for you. And you're trying to suppress his opinions too. How good is this kind of article for the game ? it's not like there are some many people playing SC2. TL was like a reference on SC2, not just a random website, mostly because they used to be neutral/not biased and moderate some rage/balance whine behavior. But recently, they start supporting more and more the "Terran whine", releasing pro-terran articles after pro-terran articles. It's not fine because on the other side, the view of P and Zerg are not expressed, they stop neutrality for "pro-terran support". Now they start non-terran progamer bashing ? Really ? It's the view of one poster, but if you highligh it on the website you say you support it. He, you can do whatever you want, but well we can stop considering TL to be something different and more respectable than a random SC2 website. Now it's just TL website, the "Terran lobbying website" and it has no right to claim to represent more than that on the SC2 scene.
Lmao somehow I am consistently suprised by the by the dumb things people manage to say
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Netherlands4514 Posts
I strongly disagree with your opinions.
You would be well off rewatching some of rogue's victories and looking at his gameplay and what made him win rather than writing some controversial nonsense.
Regardless if Rogue ever wins a game of Starcraft again, he played awesome the latter half of 2017 and his multitask, precise control, and overall gamesense were a class above all other players playing in those tournaments that he won. Well-deserved. You have no idea the ammount of work and practice went into being able to perform like he did, and it would help to show some respect in your writing about players with great accomplishments that put years of hard work into the game.
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