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SpeCial and Elazer break the mould as Stats and Dark crash…

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Swash91
Profile Joined June 2017
26 Posts
October 30 2017 10:53 GMT
#41
Gumiho - Soo will be an easy 3-0...
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
October 30 2017 11:47 GMT
#42
On October 30 2017 19:53 Swash91 wrote:
Gumiho - Soo will be an easy 3-0...

Yeah, Gumiho stands no chance.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
October 30 2017 11:58 GMT
#43
On October 30 2017 20:47 DBooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 19:53 Swash91 wrote:
Gumiho - Soo will be an easy 3-0...

Yeah, Gumiho stands no chance.



I really hope to see soO overcoming his ZvT struggles.

Also INno is at 92% of winrate in offline TvT since june, he is favored against TY.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
October 30 2017 12:07 GMT
#44
Sad that Neeb crumbled, I guess he underestimated soO then lost his head would have liked to see Serral make it through but couldn't quite do it. Special has impressed me most so far out of the foreigners so I hope he makes it far.
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
October 30 2017 12:18 GMT
#45
On October 30 2017 19:53 Swash91 wrote:
Gumiho - Soo will be an easy 3-0...


Gumi wasn't really that convincing in the group stage. I'm not saying hes the underdog vs soO, but its a 50-50%. It can go either way.
Why so serious?
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 30 2017 12:50 GMT
#46
On October 30 2017 14:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 14:12 Boggyb wrote:
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual.

Neeb wasn't overrated. He was by far the best non-Korean in the world and proved that by winning literally 3/4ths of the WCS Circuit events.

SpeCial wasn't underrated unless you think it makes sense that he fails to make it to the playoffs of the last WCS circuit event but then makes the ro8 at WCS Global finals.


In a tournament like this, where the best Koreans and the best Foreigners meet, there's bound to be people who don't perform as well as they did in their original circuits as well as people who outperform their performance.

Even aside from Neeb and Major, look at Stats and Dark. I don't think most people thought that they would be out of the tournament (mostly anyways), but here we are.


That's why Blizzard swapped from a straight 16 man tournament with bests of 5 to GSL style groups with bests of 3. More volatility = more chance of non-Koreans winning.
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
October 30 2017 13:04 GMT
#47
On October 30 2017 21:50 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 14:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
On October 30 2017 14:12 Boggyb wrote:
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual.

Neeb wasn't overrated. He was by far the best non-Korean in the world and proved that by winning literally 3/4ths of the WCS Circuit events.

SpeCial wasn't underrated unless you think it makes sense that he fails to make it to the playoffs of the last WCS circuit event but then makes the ro8 at WCS Global finals.


In a tournament like this, where the best Koreans and the best Foreigners meet, there's bound to be people who don't perform as well as they did in their original circuits as well as people who outperform their performance.

Even aside from Neeb and Major, look at Stats and Dark. I don't think most people thought that they would be out of the tournament (mostly anyways), but here we are.


That's why Blizzard swapped from a straight 16 man tournament with bests of 5 to GSL style groups with bests of 3. More volatility = more chance of non-Koreans winning.


I don't doubt that that was part of it. Of course, the foreigners have to be good enough in part, but it has the potential for the foreigner to have to win more games than a bo5 or to just have to win two games over a foreigner and then upset a Korean for the other two.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
Ryu3600
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada469 Posts
October 30 2017 13:46 GMT
#48
Whom would win? Juan man or the machine
Maru is the best Terran ever.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
October 30 2017 14:15 GMT
#49
On October 30 2017 21:18 kajtarp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 19:53 Swash91 wrote:
Gumiho - Soo will be an easy 3-0...


Gumi wasn't really that convincing in the group stage. I'm not saying hes the underdog vs soO, but its a 50-50%. It can go either way.


soO will win easily.

Gumiho had to use a weird build to take game 2, and had to use all his skills to defeat serral in game 3.

And soO >> Serral.
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ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
October 30 2017 14:38 GMT
#50
as an Inno's fan, this is a really sad bracket draw for me, if Gumiho gets to the final, we could have a TvT finals that nobody wants, but if Soo gets there, he will become runner-up again, which is also sad.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
October 30 2017 14:47 GMT
#51
Inno vs soO finals plz
Denominator of the Universe
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Alarak'smanservant
Profile Joined May 2017
35 Posts
October 30 2017 14:55 GMT
#52
Wow what a protoss massacre. Now I am cheering for hero to take the whole thing, hope he can beat that bracket.
BitbyBit is mathematically the greatest player of all time
SpecKROELLchen
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany151 Posts
October 30 2017 15:08 GMT
#53
I hope that innovation wins. Someone moving towards a bonjwa stage would be nice for sc2 i think.

Vendethiel
Profile Joined February 2017
213 Posts
October 30 2017 16:55 GMT
#54
On October 30 2017 09:37 DinosaurJones wrote:
THEY GOT PUT AGAINST EACH OTHER? Aw, come on, not cool...

Depends if you like koreans of foreigners: at least it guarantees 100% a foreigner in ro4.

On October 30 2017 11:15 Shellshock wrote:
why did they break the mold though? 3 foreigners made it last year? gap is widening

They break the mold compared to other foreigners probably.


All in all, it's just nice that terrans won't be able to use the "no foreigners terrans bc terrans too hard" excuse .
Maru <3
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
October 30 2017 17:12 GMT
#55
On October 30 2017 21:50 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 14:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
On October 30 2017 14:12 Boggyb wrote:
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual.

Neeb wasn't overrated. He was by far the best non-Korean in the world and proved that by winning literally 3/4ths of the WCS Circuit events.

SpeCial wasn't underrated unless you think it makes sense that he fails to make it to the playoffs of the last WCS circuit event but then makes the ro8 at WCS Global finals.


In a tournament like this, where the best Koreans and the best Foreigners meet, there's bound to be people who don't perform as well as they did in their original circuits as well as people who outperform their performance.

Even aside from Neeb and Major, look at Stats and Dark. I don't think most people thought that they would be out of the tournament (mostly anyways), but here we are.


That's why Blizzard swapped from a straight 16 man tournament with bests of 5 to GSL style groups with bests of 3. More volatility = more chance of non-Koreans winning.


lmao, keep finding excuses.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 30 2017 17:19 GMT
#56
On October 31 2017 02:12 youngjiddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 21:50 Boggyb wrote:
On October 30 2017 14:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
On October 30 2017 14:12 Boggyb wrote:
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual.

Neeb wasn't overrated. He was by far the best non-Korean in the world and proved that by winning literally 3/4ths of the WCS Circuit events.

SpeCial wasn't underrated unless you think it makes sense that he fails to make it to the playoffs of the last WCS circuit event but then makes the ro8 at WCS Global finals.


In a tournament like this, where the best Koreans and the best Foreigners meet, there's bound to be people who don't perform as well as they did in their original circuits as well as people who outperform their performance.

Even aside from Neeb and Major, look at Stats and Dark. I don't think most people thought that they would be out of the tournament (mostly anyways), but here we are.


That's why Blizzard swapped from a straight 16 man tournament with bests of 5 to GSL style groups with bests of 3. More volatility = more chance of non-Koreans winning.


lmao, keep finding excuses.


It's not really an excuse. bo3 series by default have a greater chance for an upset/the lesser player is more likely to win.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 17:27:54
October 30 2017 17:26 GMT
#57
On October 31 2017 02:19 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 02:12 youngjiddle wrote:
On October 30 2017 21:50 Boggyb wrote:
On October 30 2017 14:49 FrkFrJss wrote:
On October 30 2017 14:12 Boggyb wrote:
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual.

Neeb wasn't overrated. He was by far the best non-Korean in the world and proved that by winning literally 3/4ths of the WCS Circuit events.

SpeCial wasn't underrated unless you think it makes sense that he fails to make it to the playoffs of the last WCS circuit event but then makes the ro8 at WCS Global finals.


In a tournament like this, where the best Koreans and the best Foreigners meet, there's bound to be people who don't perform as well as they did in their original circuits as well as people who outperform their performance.

Even aside from Neeb and Major, look at Stats and Dark. I don't think most people thought that they would be out of the tournament (mostly anyways), but here we are.


That's why Blizzard swapped from a straight 16 man tournament with bests of 5 to GSL style groups with bests of 3. More volatility = more chance of non-Koreans winning.


lmao, keep finding excuses.


It's not really an excuse. bo3 series by default have a greater chance for an upset/the lesser player is more likely to win.


That is very true, and there is no doubt that helped and has helped foreigners win. However, it does seem like the talk shifted from "foreigners only being able to beat Koreans in bo1s or online but rarely in an offline series of any length" to "foreigners are only able to beat Koreans because bo3s are too volatile."

At some point people will have to stop blaming the format or jet lag or meta changes as the main reasons why foreigners are able to beat top level Koreans.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-30 17:50:46
October 30 2017 17:50 GMT
#58
Rofl sure Showtime has won against Byunlast year because of the skill difference and not the build /s
TL+ Member
Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
October 30 2017 17:58 GMT
#59
It's not that bo3 favors foreigners imo but it definitely encourages sniper strats and puts solid style players at a disadvantage.

This might lead to some less epic ro8 because I am sure we would end up with a slightly different lineup if ro16 was bo5 instead.

Still I'm very happy that soO advanced and I'm gonna send him all my energy because him winning it all would be one of the most beautiful stories in sc2 history. If not him than let it be INno, let's give him that GOAT finally and move on with life, mkay?


Trizztein
Profile Joined August 2014
Canada45 Posts
October 30 2017 17:59 GMT
#60
Really hope to see soO take it all and break the curse in the best tournament possible to do it once and for all.

Elazer would be great too, obviously.

Inno I'd still be very happy too because SC2 needs a new bonjwa.

I really love how Special admitted he took his TvT build against TY from a low MMR player; it's a nice tribute to all the players out there who are able to envision excellent builds but are not able to perform them to their fullest potential due to mechanical flaws that naturally come with not practicing as much as pros. He got lucky to find it and yet admits it and does not take undue credit for it. Gogo Juanito!
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