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SpeCial and Elazer break the mould as Stats and Dark crash…

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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
October 30 2017 01:00 GMT
#21
On October 30 2017 09:57 Veluvian wrote:
Honestly when I see how the quarter finals looks like I can boldly imagine that soO can make some unexpected shock and triumph for the grand finals. Fan favorites are definitely placed in the down bracket and may be this could be really shocking for most expectations. Anyway, TY fighting, buuut... soO could surprise us all and finally breaks the curse :D

If this happens, then god is real and he really moved heaven and earth to make soO finally win!
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engesser1
Profile Blog Joined December 2016
264 Posts
October 30 2017 01:24 GMT
#22
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual. herO vs Rogue, again? Innovation vs TY, AGAIN? soO vs Gumiho, AGAAAAIN? and Elazer vs Major, meh.
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franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
October 30 2017 01:37 GMT
#23
I love this bracket, so what if the finals could be a stomp, every other game is going be awesome.
YamiRi
Profile Joined September 2015
152 Posts
October 30 2017 01:55 GMT
#24
I think our dear foreigner could pave a way for soO vs Inno or soO vs Rogue in the final
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 30 2017 02:15 GMT
#25
why did they break the mold though? 3 foreigners made it last year? gap is widening
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Duckman
Profile Joined August 2009
United States158 Posts
October 30 2017 02:26 GMT
#26
Thanks for the write up, I missed the games. Sad to see Neeb couldn't make it through but that group was brutal!
paxconsciente
Profile Joined January 2015
Belgium91 Posts
October 30 2017 02:29 GMT
#27
hoping for soo or major, couldn't care less about the other players.
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curufinwe_wins
Profile Joined August 2017
68 Posts
October 30 2017 02:34 GMT
#28
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual. herO vs Rogue, again? Innovation vs TY, AGAIN? soO vs Gumiho, AGAAAAIN? and Elazer vs Major, meh.

I honestly don't know how you could call Neeb overrated here... Rogue is considered the best zerg in the world... And soO outside of a finals?

But honestly... when Neeb lost G1 vs soO he looked mentally shaken. Like he was shaking himself and very visibly disturbed. His mindset seemed more or less broken after that (taking the bluff in G2, and losing pretty easy games against Rogue in the rematch.)

I don't say this to make excuses for Neeb. He played good to start and fell to aggression that he had to know was a very good possibility. But it was clearly a headcase thing that was really depressing to see.

Major played a masterclass. He owned his group start to finish and damn that hardwork and preparation showed. I feel bad for TY if Innovation has been practicing with Major! [THAT'S RIGHT PEOPLE WE GET TO MAKE THAT SORT OF COMMENT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!!!!!].


NOTE: I say easy in the sense that if you follow the scene you have seen Rogue pull out those strats before in BTTV cups, and Neeb is plenty capable of defending it on other days.



EDIT2: Protoss clearly OP. Clearly.
MogSkynet
Profile Joined May 2011
25 Posts
October 30 2017 02:34 GMT
#29
Really want the winner of soO v Gumiho to win the whole thing. But it feels like a long shot... Too bad all 4 players I'm rooting for are all in top bracket haha
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
October 30 2017 02:47 GMT
#30
On October 30 2017 11:34 curufinwe_wins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual. herO vs Rogue, again? Innovation vs TY, AGAIN? soO vs Gumiho, AGAAAAIN? and Elazer vs Major, meh.

I honestly don't know how you could call Neeb overrated here... Rogue is considered the best zerg in the world... And soO outside of a finals?

But honestly... when Neeb lost G1 vs soO he looked mentally shaken. Like he was shaking himself and very visibly disturbed. His mindset seemed more or less broken after that (taking the bluff in G2, and losing pretty easy games against Rogue in the rematch.)

I don't say this to make excuses for Neeb. He played good to start and fell to aggression that he had to know was a very good possibility. But it was clearly a headcase thing that was really depressing to see.

Major played a masterclass. He owned his group start to finish and damn that hardwork and preparation showed. I feel bad for TY if Innovation has been practicing with Major! [THAT'S RIGHT PEOPLE WE GET TO MAKE THAT SORT OF COMMENT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!!!!!].


NOTE: I say easy in the sense that if you follow the scene you have seen Rogue pull out those strats before in BTTV cups, and Neeb is plenty capable of defending it on other days.



EDIT2: Protoss clearly OP. Clearly.


Yeah, not to excuse Neeb of making those mistakes, but he looked quite unsure of himself in those other three games.

It reminded me a lot of when he played versus Dark last year. He just wasn't able to play to his full potential.

Especially in his games to Rogue in the previous series, he played with a lot less confidence in the final series.

But, it was really exciting to see Special do well against a top Terran and Protoss. Also, seeing Elazer get his revenge was really cool as well.
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invisigoat
Profile Joined March 2013
184 Posts
October 30 2017 03:59 GMT
#31
It's a big shame that Neeb looked so shaken and vulnerable to aggression. He looked so good on Friday, but I suppose his nerves can still get to him when playing some of the best in the world.

Now at least I won't have to feel conflicted anymore, soO all the way! It's time to prove to everyone he is the GOAT zerg.
Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
October 30 2017 05:05 GMT
#32
Should be interesting to see if major can continue his strong form in a third matchup (TvZ). On one hand, it sucks that we have a "team kill" for foreigners, but on the other hand, we have a guaranteed foreigner in the ro4.

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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 30 2017 05:12 GMT
#33
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual.

Neeb wasn't overrated. He was by far the best non-Korean in the world and proved that by winning literally 3/4ths of the WCS Circuit events.

SpeCial wasn't underrated unless you think it makes sense that he fails to make it to the playoffs of the last WCS circuit event but then makes the ro8 at WCS Global finals.
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
October 30 2017 05:49 GMT
#34
On October 30 2017 14:12 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2017 10:24 engesser1 wrote:
Overrated Neeb and underrated Major, as usual.

Neeb wasn't overrated. He was by far the best non-Korean in the world and proved that by winning literally 3/4ths of the WCS Circuit events.

SpeCial wasn't underrated unless you think it makes sense that he fails to make it to the playoffs of the last WCS circuit event but then makes the ro8 at WCS Global finals.


In a tournament like this, where the best Koreans and the best Foreigners meet, there's bound to be people who don't perform as well as they did in their original circuits as well as people who outperform their performance.

Even aside from Neeb and Major, look at Stats and Dark. I don't think most people thought that they would be out of the tournament (mostly anyways), but here we are.

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Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
October 30 2017 06:37 GMT
#35
Concluding the ro16, how did I know that it was foreigner vs foreigner in the quarterfinals. I am hoping to see an Innovation vs soO (maybe elazer) finals.

(poor snute being ill though)
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i-MajiN
Profile Joined August 2014
France113 Posts
October 30 2017 07:23 GMT
#36
I cheer for soO but I think will reach the final along Inno or herO
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
October 30 2017 08:08 GMT
#37
Cheering for soO and Rogue, that Elazer vs Major is a brutal matchup though would have been more fun if they would have been spread out. Hoping soO crushes that part of the bracket but if he doesn't I hope Special takes it!
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
October 30 2017 08:28 GMT
#38
What in good god! Neeb, Stats, Dark all out before BlizzCon holy hell!!!!!
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16017 Posts
October 30 2017 09:25 GMT
#39
Hopefully Inno or herO will take it all
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ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
October 30 2017 10:29 GMT
#40
soo will come second again
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