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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
PRs measure current form, and Stats peaked around March. Some people just can't understand that, I guess. If TL is wrong then Stats can prove it himself. I'm guessing Rogue will be second and Inno first, but wouldn't be surprised if it's the other way around. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On October 24 2017 01:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Rogue is just better than Stats, guys. Stop trying to deny it Lol User was warned for this post | ||
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franzji
United States583 Posts
On October 24 2017 01:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Rogue is just better than Stats, guys. Stop trying to deny it lul User was warned for this post | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On October 23 2017 23:20 DieuCure wrote: Yes, IEM Shanghai > SSL. And GSL+GslvsW > IEM+GSLST > SSL. Given the interesting format of SSL, I can understand IEM and ST > SSL, but Stats won both a GSL and an SSL title. Also, I don't see how Stats peaked in March as his SSL victory was in Late September. I don't really care what the order is for the top 3-4 since they're pretty close together anyways, but it is interesting to talk about form, where an SSL should be higher than an ST. Not to mention, Stats recently swept through all the Terrans at Blizzcon in an Olimoleague. | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
PRs measure current form, and Stats peaked around March. Some people just can't understand that, I guess. If TL is wrong then Stats can prove it himself. If Stats was only good around March when he won GSL how did he end up with over 12000 points? That is sick you are aware of that right? Hero ran away with the points in 2015 with just 7900, Dark clearly won it last year with 9400. And why was a horrible out of form Stats able to beat a super stud in form Rogue in GSL s 3? Why was a horrible out of form Stats able to beat a surging Dark in SSL s 2? This is a guy who had his ticket punched to Blizzcon on March 26th yet keeps going deep in tournament after tournament. Nobody has been this good over an entire year. Nobody! Not MC, MVP, Life, nobody! | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
And nobody's arguing that Stats is horribly out of form. Just that Rogue's recent form is a bit better. You continue to exaggerate massively. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Stats peaked in March, after he won GSL S1. This means that Stats was at his strongest, relative to the rest of the competitive scene, in March. At that time, he was undisputed as the best player in the world, with TY being second. Peaking in March does not mean Stats is trash right now. Winning SSL S2 shows that Stats is still plenty strong. But arguing that Stats is undisputed as the best player in the world right now is, bluntly put, idiocy (though some people here are still trying). Dark, herO, Rogue, Inno, all these players have strong cases for being as strong or stronger than Stats is right now. Stats peaked in March. | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Dark handled Dear and Classic 4-2. He had all that practice against Protoss players. Classic was super motivated he needed that win to get to Blizzcon. Despite everything going his way Dark could not beat Stats. Stats was at another level. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
But that also means that Rogue has to be #1, since his recent form is the best, and even all the pros agree that he is the best. If Inno gets to be #1 now, because he was better overall this year, Stats should've been above Rogue as well. So Rogue now has to be #1 or it lost all meaning and I will just forget about this PR. That would of course not mean that I can not just enjoy the articles without caring about the ranking. Thanks for another awesome piece of writing! | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 24 2017 02:39 Musicus wrote: I am fine with this position since it seems to be about recent form. But that also means that Rogue has to be #1, since his recent form is the best, and even all the pros agree that he is the best. If Inno gets to be #1 now, because he was better overall this year, Stats should've been above Rogue as well. So Rogue now has to be #1 or it lost all meaning and I will just forget about this PR. That would of course not mean that I can not just enjoy the articles without caring about the ranking. Thanks for another awesome piece of writing! ??? Most recent tournaments were GSL, SSL, and GSL Super Tournament. Inno won GSL, got 5th in SSL, and semifinals in ST. Rogue got Ro8 in GSL, wasn't even in SSL Premier, and won ST. There's a perfectly legitimate case for Inno > Rogue based on recent tournaments. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 24 2017 02:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I was just talking to Olli in private and he says he'll demote Stats to 16th if anyone else bitches Ayyyy go for it. I want to feast on Stats-fanboy salt and tears. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Mvp and Zest were both better in 2011 and 2014 respectively. INnoVation was better this year too. And nobody's arguing that Stats is horribly out of form. Just that Rogue's recent form is a bit better. You continue to exaggerate massively. How was Zest better in 2014? You are making that up. Zest won a GSL and a Kespa. How does that trump a GSL and an SSL? He finished third in points behind Bomber and Hyun with 5800. Stats has over 12000. Innovation had an absolutely monster year and Stats still has more than 2000 points. FYI you gain points by playing well. This is not a figment of somebody's imagination. This is not an opinion of how he played. You EARN points by finishing high in significant tournaments. Stats finished in the top 4 in 6 major tournaments. 6! He won 2 of them and finished 2nd in 2 of them. That is sick! 4 of those tournaments occurred after March. | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Stats vs Rogue. Who won? Who won? | ||
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Rolltide
United States447 Posts
Most recent tournaments were GSL, SSL, and GSL Super Tournament. Inno won GSL, got 5th in SSL, and semifinals in ST. Rogue got Ro8 in GSL, wasn't even in SSL Premier, and won ST. There's a perfectly legitimate case for Inno > Rogue based on recent tournaments. Who won SSL s 2? Who was the one who eliminated Rogue in GSL 3? My god you have the nerve to brag that Rogue made the round of 8 in GSL 3? User was warned for this post | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On October 24 2017 02:43 pvsnp wrote: ??? Most recent tournaments were GSL, SSL, and GSL Super Tournament. Inno won GSL, got 5th in SSL, and semifinals in ST. Rogue got Ro8 in GSL, wasn't even in SSL Premier, and won ST. There's a perfectly legitimate case for Inno > Rogue based on recent tournaments. Yeah well Stats was in GSL ro4, won SSL and an lost 2-3 to soO in ST. So there is also a perfectly legitimate case for ranking Stats above Rogue. So either Rogue is above both or below both, but not inbetween imo. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 24 2017 02:56 Musicus wrote: Yeah well Stats was in GSL ro4, won SSL and an lost 2-3 to soO in ST. So there is also a perfectly legitimate case for ranking Stats above Rogue. So either Rogue is above both or below both, but not inbetween imo. There is indeed a perfectly legitimate case for Stats > Rogue. There is also a perfectly legitimate case for Rogue > Stats, and a perfectly legitimate case for Rogue > Inno. Which case actually turns out to be reality is up to the TL writers. They chose Rogue > Stats, and we will find out tomorrow whether they chose Rogue > Inno or Inno > Rogue. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On October 24 2017 00:56 Cricketer12 wrote: Reminds me of Man vs Machine, the drg v inno ro8 preview...well done miz, it certainly lived up to the hype. I can't found it, do someone have the link ? | ||
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