• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:38
CEST 20:38
KST 03:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy8uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event17Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments7[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
Is there a way to see if 2 accounts=1 person? #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ New season has just come in ladder StarCraft player reflex TE scores BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Biochemical Cost of Gami…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 691 users

Stats: KeSPA's Custodian - Rank 3 - Road to BlizzCon - Pag…

Forum Index > SC2 General
115 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
October 23 2017 12:53 GMT
#21
As far as super recent form they both did poorly in Master's coliseum and Stats is 6-4 in his last 10 matches where Rogue is 6-3-1.

I know this is all in fun to provoke discussion and debate leading up to Blizzcon but the rankings have to be somewhat credible. I would have put Rogue 4th behind Inno, Stats and Dark.

Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
October 23 2017 12:57 GMT
#22
Honestly, Rogue was not even being considered among the best until he won the super tournament to now have him as a favourite above Stats and possibly innovation is just wrong even if he is in good form.
AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
October 23 2017 13:13 GMT
#23
On October 23 2017 21:53 Rolltide wrote:
As far as super recent form they both did poorly in Master's coliseum and Stats is 6-4 in his last 10 matches where Rogue is 6-3-1.

I know this is all in fun to provoke discussion and debate leading up to Blizzcon but the rankings have to be somewhat credible. I would have put Rogue 4th behind Inno, Stats and Dark.



Rogue has a draw? Where? Against who?
bulya
Profile Joined February 2016
Israel386 Posts
October 23 2017 13:16 GMT
#24
I know that Stats has a large fan base, and I like him as well. But if I have to calm my emotions and be objective then not only I put Rogue above him, but herO is above Stats as well by means of form.

I know that herO doesn't have many fans, and some don't even like his play style (I'm one among them), but by means of form and chances of winning it all herO has more then Stats.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 23 2017 13:19 GMT
#25
On October 23 2017 21:57 Z3nith wrote:
Honestly, Rogue was not even being considered among the best until he won the super tournament to now have him as a favourite above Stats and possibly innovation is just wrong even if he is in good form.

Someone is forgetting IEM Shanghai.
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
October 23 2017 13:25 GMT
#26
Rogue's last 10 matches. Some of them are only 1 or 2 maps...

http://aligulac.com/players/1662-Rogue/
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
October 23 2017 13:32 GMT
#27
I know that Stats has a large fan base, and I like him as well. But if I have to calm my emotions and be objective then not only I put Rogue above him, but herO is above Stats as well by means of form.


Since when is it only about form? And what does that mean how a guy played this week only?

At Master's coliseum 2 these are the matches Rogue played.

In group. 2-0 vs TIME, 1-1 vs Elazer, 0-2 vs Classic, vs Byun was a wash because Byun did not show.

Then in the rd of 12 he was eliminated by Hero 3-1.

So what is so damned impressive about that? That's top 2 in the world? That is the last significant tournament he played in!

So classic should be 2nd then? Or first? Hero won that tournament.
Jimmon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States112 Posts
October 23 2017 13:33 GMT
#28
I love the article, yet I feel like KeSpa overshadowed Stat's actual accomplishments. Of course people uphold KeSpa with high regard, but I felt like there was more KeSpa hyping then actual Stats hyping.

Overall, I really liked the verbage and opener/ender.

I love LOveRH
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
October 23 2017 13:35 GMT
#29
On October 23 2017 22:19 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2017 21:57 Z3nith wrote:
Honestly, Rogue was not even being considered among the best until he won the super tournament to now have him as a favourite above Stats and possibly innovation is just wrong even if he is in good form.

Someone is forgetting IEM Shanghai.


Ah yes IEM shanghai beats out an SSL and GSL title and quite a few ro4s etc. Sure. Not to mention for innovation the GSL, GSL vs the world and an SSL.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
October 23 2017 13:51 GMT
#30
On October 23 2017 22:35 Z3nith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2017 22:19 Boggyb wrote:
On October 23 2017 21:57 Z3nith wrote:
Honestly, Rogue was not even being considered among the best until he won the super tournament to now have him as a favourite above Stats and possibly innovation is just wrong even if he is in good form.

Someone is forgetting IEM Shanghai.


Ah yes IEM shanghai beats out an SSL and GSL title and quite a few ro4s etc. Sure. Not to mention for innovation the GSL, GSL vs the world and an SSL.

Look at the last 4 months and keep in mind that GSL vs The World was an invitational tournament. Unless tournament wins don't mean much in your book, the only people who can compare with Rogue are Innovation and Neeb.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15967 Posts
October 23 2017 13:51 GMT
#31
Some people don't understand the purpose of a powerrank.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 23 2017 14:04 GMT
#32
On October 23 2017 22:51 Charoisaur wrote:
Some people don't understand the purpose of a powerrank.


I think people overrate trophies when it comes to them. If you just rank everyone based on their finish in the latest tournament then what's the point? Given how rare back-to-back championships are, it's clearly not the right way to go about it
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-23 14:20:58
October 23 2017 14:20 GMT
#33
On October 23 2017 22:35 Z3nith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2017 22:19 Boggyb wrote:
On October 23 2017 21:57 Z3nith wrote:
Honestly, Rogue was not even being considered among the best until he won the super tournament to now have him as a favourite above Stats and possibly innovation is just wrong even if he is in good form.

Someone is forgetting IEM Shanghai.


Ah yes IEM shanghai beats out an SSL and GSL title and quite a few ro4s etc. Sure. Not to mention for innovation the GSL, GSL vs the world and an SSL.


Yes, IEM Shanghai > SSL.

And GSL+GslvsW > IEM+GSLST > SSL.
TL+ Member
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4010 Posts
October 23 2017 14:56 GMT
#34
your stories are great! Just lacking some innovation.
Drone is a way of living
VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
October 23 2017 15:06 GMT
#35
On October 23 2017 21:50 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2017 21:42 Rolltide wrote:
I'll temper my comments the best I can. To have Stats ranked anything below 2nd is total absolute bullcrap! A travesty an abomination!


You're one funny poster.


That's my new quote, it's just so theatrical and dramatic
"I'll temper my comments the best I can. To have Stats ranked anything below 2nd is total absolute bullcrap! A travesty an abomination!" - Rolltide | "When a foreign Terran is about to win, the entire universe conspires against him" - Paulo Coelho
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
October 23 2017 15:08 GMT
#36
Is that a bad joke?
The guy is #1 WCS and just won SSL yet he is ranked below Rogue?

That doesn't make any sense :x.
WriterMaru
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
October 23 2017 15:11 GMT
#37
lol I don't care about the ranking, Kim Dae Yeob will crush everyone
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-23 15:29:08
October 23 2017 15:17 GMT
#38
any sports analyst with basic understandings of ranking skilled players based on overall results would put stats above 3rd place, and more likely to win blizzcon, only TL would be biased or stupid enough or selective enough to make a ranking off of two tournaments.

I mean, we'll just have to see.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
October 23 2017 15:31 GMT
#39
Stats is a stable player, no ebb and flow in his game or performance. He is the perfect balance of control and aggression. And he always manages to preform well in big stages.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-23 16:07:34
October 23 2017 15:56 GMT
#40
Reminds me of Man vs Machine, the drg v inno ro8 preview...well done miz, it certainly lived up to the hype.
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 22m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech99
BRAT_OK 75
ForJumy 40
Codebar 40
MindelVK 38
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2109
Shuttle 1726
Larva 470
hero 453
firebathero 257
ggaemo 231
Soma 217
Rush 171
Mong 142
Sharp 60
[ Show more ]
sSak 58
Bonyth 51
Aegong 33
Backho 32
Terrorterran 23
Dota 2
Gorgc4276
Dendi1146
XcaliburYe92
Counter-Strike
fl0m3709
ScreaM978
Foxcn137
oskar128
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby1225
Liquid`Hasu260
Khaldor124
Other Games
crisheroes747
RotterdaM335
Beastyqt276
PiGStarcraft225
mouzStarbuck203
Fuzer 163
ViBE147
C9.Mang0140
TKL 140
Hui .119
ArmadaUGS98
KnowMe85
Trikslyr63
StateSC225
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta25
• iHatsuTV 7
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 15
• 80smullet 8
• Michael_bg 3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Nemesis2473
• C_a_k_e 2093
• WagamamaTV341
League of Legends
• TFBlade900
Counter-Strike
• imaqtpie928
• Shiphtur201
Upcoming Events
BSL Team Wars
22m
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Online Event
16h 22m
SC Evo League
17h 22m
Online Event
18h 22m
OSC
18h 22m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
20h 22m
CSO Contender
22h 22m
[BSL 2025] Weekly
23h 22m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 16h
[ Show More ]
SC Evo League
1d 17h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 20h
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Bonyth
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
2 days
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Mini vs TBD
Soma vs sSak
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-08-13
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.