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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
May 31 2017 14:40 GMT
#61
On May 31 2017 22:14 Fango wrote:
The whole faceless korean thing is overused imo. People want big names. names like mc, zest, sos, innovation, life, maru, stephano, neeb etc.

The most hype events are always korean vs foreigner. A dream final in terms of viewership is like nerchio vs maru for example

Unfortunately no foreigner is good enough to reach a finals vs koreans.
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Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
May 31 2017 15:03 GMT
#62
On May 31 2017 23:40 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2017 22:14 Fango wrote:
The whole faceless korean thing is overused imo. People want big names. names like mc, zest, sos, innovation, life, maru, stephano, neeb etc.

The most hype events are always korean vs foreigner. A dream final in terms of viewership is like nerchio vs maru for example

Unfortunately no foreigner is good enough to reach a finals vs koreans.


No that never happened (that was sarcasm)
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
May 31 2017 15:13 GMT
#63
On May 31 2017 22:14 Fango wrote:
The whole faceless korean thing is overused imo. People want big names. names like mc, zest, sos, innovation, life, maru, stephano, neeb etc.

The most hype events are always korean vs foreigner. A dream final in terms of viewership is like nerchio vs maru for example

Hmm i think there is definitely merit in "faceless korean". Not that koreans don't have personality, but the language barrier simply was a big hurdle for them to show it + the general attitude of them being humble, etc.
Yes there were exceptions as well, ofc. But in general it's still true that it was and is way easier to get a emotional attachment to content/personalities/etc you actually can understand.
Here on TL we are pretty hardcore, we watch korean tournaments a lot. We already have made the step to care aboout our favorite korean players. But someone only vaguely interested in starcraft probably wouldn't do that. So yeah i think koreans being extremely good, so good that they won every weekend tournament was actually bad for the scene. Tournaments should have done more to show the personalities behind the players (like the signature series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCEtqjgP-Js)
Players could have done more to at least try to speak some english here and there. Blizzard could have done more. Well you get the point.
Right now we are probably at a point where the majority of people knows the big korean players though, simply because the hardcore audience is still here and everybody else not so much.
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
May 31 2017 16:14 GMT
#64
Most hyped Weekender since IEM Katowice.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
May 31 2017 17:13 GMT
#65
I love these tournaments.
I spent weekends chilling and watching them.
Really happy to see another one.
moo...for DRG
warlocke
Profile Joined September 2015
97 Posts
June 01 2017 03:50 GMT
#66
great to see another tourney annouced, more entertainment on the way
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2722 Posts
June 01 2017 15:26 GMT
#67
On May 31 2017 23:40 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2017 22:14 Fango wrote:
The whole faceless korean thing is overused imo. People want big names. names like mc, zest, sos, innovation, life, maru, stephano, neeb etc.

The most hype events are always korean vs foreigner. A dream final in terms of viewership is like nerchio vs maru for example

Unfortunately no foreigner is good enough to reach a finals vs koreans.

Fortunately the first global open qualifier is on the same date as GSL S3 qualifier, and it has 8 spots to go into the closed qualifier, from which 10 will qualifier for the main tournament.
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