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Austria24417 Posts
Olli sat down with Scarlett during WESG to discuss the event itself, her upcoming Code S group, and just a little bit of game balance.
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OLLI: Solar said you'll advance in Code S. Do you agree?
SCARLETT: Yeah, I think so as well.  MyuNgSiK doesn’t play anymore, so I just have to beat Classic or  aLive, and I think I’ll beat aLive. So even if I lose to Classic I should still advance.
Are you planning on playing in all of the Korean tournaments?
Yeah, I’m living in Korea now. I’ll try and play in all the Korean tournaments. It might be hard though because you have to get top 4 in Code S now to get a seed for next season, everyone else has to play qualifiers again.
Who are top players of each race on ladder?
 ByuL is the best Zerg I think.
Maru is the best TvZ. He reminds me of TaeJa a lot. Back in 2013 I could beat any Terran quite easily with muta/ling/bane. For example: in a Season Finals in 2013 I beat Maru, after he’d just won OSL, and MMA, but then I played TaeJa in practice and it wasn’t even close. Every game I got destroyed. He was so much better at engaging, super patient with his units. He never went on creep; he just slowly pushed the creep back before engaging properly. And he always dealt perfectly with counterattacks. Playing Maru in practice now feels exactly the same.
For Protoss… they’re all pretty similar at the top, but Stats is good. Classic is good too. herO just does random builds and shades on everything, so if you play safe he should be beatable.
What do you think about the skill level overall now compared to years prior? Some people are saying it's gone down, some say it's better than ever.
I don’t think the overall level is lower. I think there’s fewer top players now, but the best are better now. There used to be about a hundred good players in Korea and now there’s around 30. But the top players I think have always gotten better. Even ShoWTimE and Neeb are better than top players years ago.
How do you feel about your match-ups?
ZvT and ZvZ are my better matchups, but in ZvP they just make carriers. It’s almost a free win for Protoss. The only way you really beat it is with roach/queen/nydus and they don’t see it. If it gets to lategame it’s unbeatable. Hydras have no HP and corruptors don’t do enough damage. Skytoss lategame has been an issue for four years now.
Some things are really annoying. 3rax reaper is still an issue, and carriers obviously. On Habitation Station there’s a liberator spot behind the third base where only one queen can hit it. We’ve told Blizzard but they haven’t fixed it. Protoss can’t hit it at all except with stargate units. And as Zerg you need 7 queens to kill a single liberator there.
So if it's been a problem for so long, is it even possible to balance Zerg vs Protoss lategame with tweaks to existing units, or does Zerg need a new unit altogether?
Hopefully just buffs. We have enough units for now. I think corruptors are just useless, so buffing them would be good.
Speaking of balance, you won games in NationWars with BL/infestor. How does it feel to go back to the roots?
It feels nice. But I only won because I was really ahead. BL/infestor works well as a timing, but if they get ravens it doesn’t work anymore.
If you ask different Zergs, they'll tell you that ZvZ is still a coinflip.
The maps now are better for it. I think it’s better than it’s been in a while, but everyone still plays really aggressively so it’s hard.
Have you enjoyed WESG?
Yeah, mostly. I like Chinese events unlike most of the other players. I like coming to China. I came here for the first time when I was 12. I’ve been here 8 times in total. The others don’t like the food or don’t speak or read Chinese, but for me it’s easy to get around.
And I know there’s been stream issues and such, but they’re taking care of everyone so well. There’s player managers that speak essentially every language. We have individual little booths for players, which is the first time I’ve seen that. It’s really nice. So I really hope they’re doing another one of these for StarCraft.
You speak Chinese?
I forgot most of it, but I’ve still got basics. I can order food and such, but no long conversations. Not even StarCraft stuff.
How far can you go in Code S?
Depends on who I have to play against and whether or not they nerf carriers. That’s a big roadblock. And right now I don’t think I can beat Maru. I’d feel pretty confident even against INnoVation or ByuN – I beat them like 60-70% in practice. But Maru I lose to 100%.
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They havent even acknowledged skytoss as an issue publically during those 4 years I think.
So dont hold your breath on a nerf.
Nice interview.
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sounds good that she can beat Byun in practice but Dark said that he won every game against Byun in practice and in tournament games Byun played like a different player so he might not be playing 100% serious in practice.
also liked reading the part about TaeJa. I always said that from pure skill he's one of the best players of all time.
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what, Scarlet beats Innovation and Byun 60-70% in practice ? I would doubt about it. Btw in terms of TvZ, I still think TY is one step ahead of Maru, he's just really solid.
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On January 22 2017 21:39 ParksonVN wrote:
what, Scarlet beats Innovation and Byun 60-70% in practice ? I would doubt about it. Btw in terms of TvZ, I still think TY is one step ahead of Maru, he's just really solid.
Practice is always a different story than tournaments.
Myungsik is a trap! He qualified for code S when he had already switched to overwatch and we know how protoss bs can affect Scarlett :D
Great to see they can't hotfix that liberator spot even when pros tell them 8)
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On January 22 2017 21:39 ParksonVN wrote:
what, Scarlet beats Innovation and Byun 60-70% in practice ? I would doubt about it. Btw in terms of TvZ, I still think TY is one step ahead of Maru, he's just really solid.
In one of the LR threads for NationWars she also said she loses to TY every time on ladder because "Hellions kill my drones". But Maru's TvZ is just pretty disgustingly good no matter how he plays.
I like the confidence but we'll have to see if it's warranted. aLive isn't someone you can afford to underestimate atm.
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France12761 Posts
On January 22 2017 21:38 Charoisaur wrote:
sounds good that she can beat Byun in practice but Dark said that he won every game against Byun in practice and in tournament games Byun played like a different player so he might not be playing 100% serious in practice.
also liked reading the part about TaeJa. I always said that from pure skill he's one of the best players of all time.
Yeah ByuN is the wolf in sheep's clothing :D.
It's a bit weird that she takes practice results seriously
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Scarlett should know that practice and offline tournament are differents! Her gsl group is quite easy with myungsik retired but i hope she'll meet INnoVation or Byun later.
I miss Taeja, he had a very unique skill...
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you have to get top 4 in Code S now to get a seed for next season
wow didn't know that, that's pretty brutal
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On January 22 2017 22:13 Charoisaur wrote:wow didn't know that, that's pretty brutal
TY said it was top 8 during his GSL group. Conflicting information.
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Go Scarlett! gl hf! 
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I hope they will fix that liberator spot because that sounds awful.
Thanks for the interview!
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i feel bad, but scarlet is definitely not getting out of this group, she wont make it to late game, timing attacks and cheese will crush her.
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Maru confirmed best player basically. I think scarlett can do very well in this GSL, would be interesting to see her in a finals tbh
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On January 22 2017 22:26 Darkencik wrote:
I hope they will fix that liberator spot because that sounds awful.
Thanks for the interview!
it not only sounds awful...
clips.twitch.tv
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Norway839 Posts
On January 22 2017 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 22:26 Darkencik wrote:
I hope they will fix that liberator spot because that sounds awful.
Thanks for the interview! it not only sounds awful... clips.twitch.tv
i counter this by bringing 8 queens to that spot, it works just fine. a bit scary though because you're "a bit" weak to pressure elsewhere while your queens are busy, lol xD
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France12761 Posts
On January 22 2017 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 22:26 Darkencik wrote:
I hope they will fix that liberator spot because that sounds awful.
Thanks for the interview! it not only sounds awful... clips.twitch.tv
Can't blizzard pretend to care and "nerf" that spot with the same trick they used to prevent bunkers blocking the ramps? :/.
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On January 22 2017 22:50 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:On January 22 2017 22:26 Darkencik wrote:
I hope they will fix that liberator spot because that sounds awful.
Thanks for the interview! it not only sounds awful... clips.twitch.tv Can't blizzard pretend to care and "nerf" that spot with the same trick they used to prevent bunkers blocking the ramps? :/.
We could also remove liberators
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On January 22 2017 22:50 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 22:33 Charoisaur wrote:On January 22 2017 22:26 Darkencik wrote:
I hope they will fix that liberator spot because that sounds awful.
Thanks for the interview! it not only sounds awful... clips.twitch.tv Can't blizzard pretend to care and "nerf" that spot with the same trick they used to prevent bunkers blocking the ramps? :/.
They're like "Hey guys we've had reports about an unattackable liberator spot on Habitation Station, what do we do? Fix it immediately?" "Nah too much effort, maps gonna be gone from ladder soon anyway"
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Love the shoutout to TaeJa... Never would have considered him and Maru to be similar.
Very confident, hopefully she does well.
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On January 22 2017 23:11 Mier19891 wrote:
Love the shoutout to TaeJa... Never would have considered him and Maru to be similar.
Very confident, hopefully she does well.
Haha yeah I'm sure games look different in the booth than out of it, so she's about as qualified as it gets when talking about similarities/differences.
Good interview! <3
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i hope she meets innovation in the ro16, so he can crush her.
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Great read.
Nice insight on playstyle and practice. Loved the TaeJa talk.
I truly believe Scarlett will go far in GSL !
Gogo Sasha !
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How is there not some form of outrage over the Liberator spot. That is completely broken and such an easy fix. I presume the progamers will have a gentlemens agreement not to use it...
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On January 23 2017 00:40 SC2Toastie wrote:
How is there not some form of outrage over the Liberator spot. That is completely broken and such an easy fix. I presume the progamers will have a gentlemens agreement not to use it...
I mean Byun would probably use it regardless :>
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On January 23 2017 00:40 SC2Toastie wrote:
How is there not some form of outrage over the Liberator spot. That is completely broken and such an easy fix. I presume the progamers will have a gentlemens agreement not to use it...
we had the same problem on dusk towers for it's entire lifespan, they did nothing
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On January 22 2017 22:32 3ra1n1ac wrote:
i feel bad, but scarlet is definitely not getting out of this group, she wont make it to late game, timing attacks and cheese will crush her.
definitely lol. she showed that she doesnt need to make it to the late game in order to win for example at nation wars vs korea anyway, so i'm not sure what kind of dislike convinced you that she wont make it out no matter what.
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On January 22 2017 21:38 Charoisaur wrote:
sounds good that she can beat Byun in practice but Dark said that he won every game against Byun in practice and in tournament games Byun played like a different player so he might not be playing 100% serious in practice.
also liked reading the part about TaeJa. I always said that from pure skill he's one of the best players of all time.
I agree 100% with this. It's scary to think with how good all the top terrans are right now, to place one of them in 3rd or fourth place sounds mad.
Byun, Innovation, TY, Maru.
I'd have to still give ByuN the top spot though. He has consistently delivered during the top stages (Blizzcon and GSL), and he just shoots up to a different league when he plays during important matches. I mean his road to the finals in Blizzcon included downing the best performers in their respective races ( TY, Stats, Dark).
There will probably be some disagreement here, but I think I would pick ByuN, Inno, and TY over Maru in terms of who would win GSL or an event like Blizzcon. I love all of them though.
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On January 23 2017 00:40 SC2Toastie wrote:
How is there not some form of outrage over the Liberator spot. That is completely broken and such an easy fix. I presume the progamers will have a gentlemens agreement not to use it...
20 min no rush plz
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awesome interview!
fucking carriers god damnit
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Maru rekting Solar in the group stages of last IEM came to my mind during the interview
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Thanks for the interview!
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If scarlett was in a group with inno byun sos 90% she advances. In her current group? 20%
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If Maru reaches the GSL finals, I'll fly to Seoul.
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On January 22 2017 22:14 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2017 22:13 Charoisaur wrote: you have to get top 4 in Code S now to get a seed for next season wow didn't know that, that's pretty brutal TY said it was top 8 during his GSL group. Conflicting information.
In that very same interview Artosis said "little does he know its top four that get seeded" when he responded like that
EDIT: Or maybe it was the 2nd place interview. It was some interview in the last GSL broadcast
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Good to hear that Scarlett is confident, but I do hope she knows better than to think practice == GSL. It's been demonstrated that both INnoVation and ByuN hold back during practice.
Dark called ByuN a "wolf in sheep's clothing" because he lost all their practice games then brought his A-game to IEM.
Inno infamously said "Zerg OP" because he had a terrible winrate against them during practice.....right after he crushed ByuL and Losira without dropping a map in his GSL group.
And just yesterday, two of the NationWars casters (Funka and Drogo I think) were talking about how Maru beat Scarlett 3-0 at WESG, and in the next sentence, how Inno was just as good as Maru.
Scarlett is good, and apparently she's confident too, but I would still bet on any of Byun, Inno, Maru, or TY every day of the week.
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Good luck to Scarlett! Never underestimate her skill in ZvT. Always routing for you.
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Man the 0-4 is gonna go over rough here
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She's the Queen of Blades! :O Best of luck to her.
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Not only does practice =/= real games and some players are known to hold back in practice, but scarlett is also known to exaggerate a bit when she talks. We'll see of course. I wish her luck and I'm sure it will be a fun group either way
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France12761 Posts
On January 23 2017 05:17 Fatam wrote:
Not only does practice =/= real games and some players are known to hold back in practice, but scarlett is also known to exaggerate a bit when she talks. We'll see of course. I wish her luck and I'm sure it will be a fun group either way
I'm pretty sure she can beat them offline as well (she beat ByuN online in NW already), TvZ isn't as Terran favored as TvP, it just appears that the 4 top terrans are really good, so she has as much of a shot as any other top zerg in the MU (yeah, Koreans included).
However she has to pass her group first and I always feel that such declarations from foreigners bring bad results, so hopefully she didn't jinx herself up.
I hope she'll qualify so we can see another foreigner in a bo5 at GSL, this will bring back the hype from NaNiwa/HuK GSL days.
The fact that she didn't get an invite but qualified the same way everyone else did is the icing on the cake :D.
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I'm pretty sure she can beat them offline as well (she beat ByuN online in NW already), TvZ isn't as Terran favored as TvP, it just appears that the 4 top terrans are really good, so she has as much of a shot as any other top zerg in the MU (yeah, Koreans included).
Well she has a shot, but I personally wouldn't put money on it.
I am inclined to agree with you that she has similar chances to top Korean Zergs.....but none of them are doing very well in ZvT either.
Whatever the reason (blah blah patchterrans, blah blah balance whine, blah blah salt), Terran is doing well in general and ByuN, INnoVation, Maru and TY are in a league of their own. In the past two months' TvZ matches, they've got winrates from 69% (ByuN) to 91% (Maru). Their TvP winrates are even better, ofc.
^I like to call those 4 the Terran Tetrarchy, because they certainly seem to be ruling the current scene.
In comparison, I'd say the best Korean Zergs are probably Solar, ByuL, soO, and Dark. GSLTV has shown us soO and ByuL both going down 2-9 against Inno and Maru respectively. ByuL also failed to take a map from Inno in their GSL group. Solar didn't take a map off of TY, and got knocked out of GSL entirely.
That leaves Dark, who put up an excellent showing at IEM and is widely considered the best Zerg anyhow. Given that he beat Byun 3-2 and lost to Inno 2-3, I'd give him a 50/50 shot against any of the Tetrarchs.
Unless Scarlett is as good as Dark (its possible, I guess) I very much doubt she can trade evenly with ByuN or INnoVation in an offline match that everyone takes seriously, i.e. GSL.
Of course, Scarlett is very skilled and fully capable of taking a game off even the best Terrans. But my own prediction at least, is that she won't be able to win a Bo5/Bo7 against ByuN or INnoVation.
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The weekly:" Iam Scarlett, the theoretically best player in the World!"?
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Now watch the evil one carrier rush Scarlett to death
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On January 23 2017 09:03 Heyjoray wrote:
The weekly:"Iam Scarlett, the theoretically best player in the World!"?
manners plz
Scarlett is a litteral goddess. Her making a deep run in the tournament can only be good for sc2.
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On January 23 2017 09:03 Heyjoray wrote:
The weekly:" Iam Scarlett, the theoretically best player in the World!"?
He isn't wrong
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I guess its good to be confident? Too bad she won't make it past aLive and Classic.
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aLive is in really good form right now and Classic has always been top protoss. Good luck to her
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Guys, please. Anybody that followed Scarlett over the years knows that you should take such interviews and statements with a grain of salt. Shes like a Pro in trolling! Shes playing mind games already.
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Nice interview. But do not ignore aLive, he is one of the TIMBA group (Ty Inno Maru Byun Alive), XD. GG Scarlett!
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Alive is really good those days though. I would think Classic more beatable.
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good luck sasha <3
as to the people pesting about her chances and what she says+ Show Spoiler +.. wow! none of you know how it is on the big stage.. she does! Shes been on them and she could be riding/milking some "past glory" train.. she's not! she is still going at it full throttle against the WORLD's best players in THEIR house !..!  So maybe be hopeful for her doing better each time and CHEER her on, no? She talks about practice because you peeps might not have the information (actual stats on ladder), the rest (tournament results) is easy to see. Also, she is awesome smart/fun AND she is preparing a tournament, so being "trolly" or "hyped" seems more than obviously a good thing.. ever heard of player psychology (her own and her opponents' reading what she says here or there)?
#scarlett fitttttttiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!!!!!!!!
edit: sorry, forgot, thank you olli for the interview / we all jealous 
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This is a good interview and I respect Scarlett's confidence much than other foreign players who raised last year. She knows her strenght, but her weaknesses too. It is true that practice doesn't tell you anything for the victory in a offline tournament. Actually the most accomplished pros got usually grandmaster Top 40 or tob 50 in ladders. In other interviews progamers usually share that they usually lose in ladder and they know how the learn from it. And yes, it is completely different in offline tournaments, so we shall see. Scarlett always feels confident against terrans, there is nothing new here, I remember when she beat Bomber in 2013 too.
Of course, I hope for Classic to move on. 
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For a player of scarletts skill its always possible to beat anyone. Can she do it ? Yup. Likely? Depends on the player. Entirely possible that she gets crushed too? Yes.
We will have to wait. Wishing her best of success!
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Man... sadly, i can see Myungsik rushing carriers on her face and knocking her down 2-1 
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Gotta love all the backseat coaches telling a pro-gamer with years of experience that she doesn't really know she's talking about or even lying about her winrates ...
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On January 23 2017 20:28 Thax wrote:
Gotta love all the backseat coaches telling a pro-gamer with years of experience that she doesn't really know she's talking about or even lying about her winrates ...
I don't think there's anything wrong with what she said, all she said was that she's confident and being confident is always good.
But yeah, I wouldn't put my money on her if she faces Byun or INnoVation in an offline bo3/bo5.
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I hope she doesn't underestimate Myungsik...
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Good luck, Scarlet.
Thanks for the interview.
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Nice confidence coming from Scarlett.
About that imba liberator spot on habitation station, I couldn't see if liberator had range or not from my cellphone? Anyone?
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Austria24417 Posts
On January 24 2017 02:41 Trizztein1 wrote:
Nice confidence coming from Scarlett.
About that imba liberator spot on habitation station, I couldn't see if liberator had range or not from my cellphone? Anyone?
Doesn't have range. With range you can't hit it at all with ground units.
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On January 24 2017 02:41 Trizztein1 wrote:
Nice confidence coming from Scarlett.
About that imba liberator spot on habitation station, I couldn't see if liberator had range or not from my cellphone? Anyone?
She will lose 2-0 against myungsik and calm down
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people really react differently when foreigners are confident. when koreans are confident and talk smack it's all "hype! a literal god, go crush them!" but if it's scarlett everyone's first thought is to deconstruct her logic and shoot her down as if a progamer of 5+ years doesn't know things about progaming lol
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France12761 Posts
On January 24 2017 04:13 brickrd wrote:
people really react differently when foreigners are confident. when koreans are confident and talk smack it's all "hype! a literal god, go crush them!" but if it's scarlett everyone's first thought is to deconstruct her logic and shoot her down as if a progamer of 5+ years doesn't know things about progaming lol
Well there is the fact that Koreans dominated sc2 from the start.
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On January 24 2017 04:13 brickrd wrote:
people really react differently when foreigners are confident. when koreans are confident and talk smack it's all "hype! a literal god, go crush them!" but if it's scarlett everyone's first thought is to deconstruct her logic and shoot her down as if a progamer of 5+ years doesn't know things about progaming lol
Really? I feel like it's just people always being harsh when someone says in an interview something that contradicts facts, statistics and recent tournament results. And I think it's a little justified as long as it's kept civil. Are you sure it's not just your selection bias making you think it's a Korean vs foreigner thing? ^^
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On January 24 2017 07:01 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 04:13 brickrd wrote:
people really react differently when foreigners are confident. when koreans are confident and talk smack it's all "hype! a literal god, go crush them!" but if it's scarlett everyone's first thought is to deconstruct her logic and shoot her down as if a progamer of 5+ years doesn't know things about progaming lol Really? I feel like it's just people always being harsh when someone says in an interview something that contradicts facts, statistics and recent tournament results. And I think it's a little justified as long as it's kept civil. Are you sure it's not just your selection bias making you think it's a Korean vs foreigner thing? ^^
I'm not sure how her saying she's confident goes against any of that. Statistically she's one of the best foreigners vs Koreans there is.
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On January 24 2017 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 07:01 207aicila wrote:On January 24 2017 04:13 brickrd wrote:
people really react differently when foreigners are confident. when koreans are confident and talk smack it's all "hype! a literal god, go crush them!" but if it's scarlett everyone's first thought is to deconstruct her logic and shoot her down as if a progamer of 5+ years doesn't know things about progaming lol Really? I feel like it's just people always being harsh when someone says in an interview something that contradicts facts, statistics and recent tournament results. And I think it's a little justified as long as it's kept civil. Are you sure it's not just your selection bias making you think it's a Korean vs foreigner thing? ^^ I'm not sure how her saying she's confident goes against any of that. Statistically she's one of the best foreigners vs Koreans there is.
Conveniently glossing over the "recent tournament results" part I see. Ah well, what can ya do.
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On January 24 2017 07:27 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 07:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 24 2017 07:01 207aicila wrote:On January 24 2017 04:13 brickrd wrote:
people really react differently when foreigners are confident. when koreans are confident and talk smack it's all "hype! a literal god, go crush them!" but if it's scarlett everyone's first thought is to deconstruct her logic and shoot her down as if a progamer of 5+ years doesn't know things about progaming lol Really? I feel like it's just people always being harsh when someone says in an interview something that contradicts facts, statistics and recent tournament results. And I think it's a little justified as long as it's kept civil. Are you sure it's not just your selection bias making you think it's a Korean vs foreigner thing? ^^ I'm not sure how her saying she's confident goes against any of that. Statistically she's one of the best foreigners vs Koreans there is. Conveniently glossing over the "recent tournament results" part I see. Ah well, what can ya do.
Besides the series vs Maru, she's playing fairly well. Wins vs a some good Koreans in 2017 and the series she has dropped have been to top foreigners like Neeb and Snute. Nothing of that says she can't be confident.
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I'm not sure how her saying she's confident goes against any of that. Statistically she's one of the best foreigners vs Koreans there is.
Statistically, Byun and Innovation are at 69% and 76% TvZ, respectively. Scarlett's ZvT is at 56%.
^All since the latest patch.
"Best foreigner" doesn't change those statistics. It just means she isn't getting completely roflstomped, relatively speaking.
I dunno about you, but if I were Scarlett, I would not be "confident" with those numbers.
EDIT: To be fair, mentality is super important and I can totally understand if Scarlett is trying to avoid going into the match believing she will lose. Obviously that would only hurt her own performance.
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Some of you guys are really pedantic. When scarlett says she wins most games in practice and thus is confident then you either believe her or assume that she is lying to look better?!
If we trust her (which seems reasonable in this case) there really is no reason to deny her that confidence she speaks of
Yes tournament games are what matters but practice games build your skill and confidence.
GO SCARLETT
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Flash was 67-3 in TvP in practice. Didn't help him sadly.
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On January 24 2017 09:34 Phredxor wrote:
Flash was 67-3 in TvP in practice. Didn't help him sadly.
Context? I cannot remember what you're referring to.
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On January 24 2017 09:40 SKNielsen1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 09:34 Phredxor wrote:
Flash was 67-3 in TvP in practice. Didn't help him sadly. Context? I cannot remember what you're referring to.
Something entirely irrelevant for this case
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On January 24 2017 09:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 09:40 SKNielsen1989 wrote:On January 24 2017 09:34 Phredxor wrote:
Flash was 67-3 in TvP in practice. Didn't help him sadly. Context? I cannot remember what you're referring to. Something entirely irrelevant for this case
Yup. All I'm saying is doing great in practice doesn't translate to results.
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On January 24 2017 09:52 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 09:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 24 2017 09:40 SKNielsen1989 wrote:On January 24 2017 09:34 Phredxor wrote:
Flash was 67-3 in TvP in practice. Didn't help him sadly. Context? I cannot remember what you're referring to. Something entirely irrelevant for this case Yup. All I'm saying is doing great in practice doesn't translate to results.
Yeah i agree with that. But doing well in practice against two S class terran players surely is a good sign. You still have to translate that into games that acually matter though, no doubt about that.
I just think it's incredibly stupid to argue if she has the right to be confident, it's absurd tbh, ofc good practice results create confidence -.-
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On January 24 2017 09:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 09:52 Phredxor wrote:On January 24 2017 09:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 24 2017 09:40 SKNielsen1989 wrote:On January 24 2017 09:34 Phredxor wrote:
Flash was 67-3 in TvP in practice. Didn't help him sadly. Context? I cannot remember what you're referring to. Something entirely irrelevant for this case Yup. All I'm saying is doing great in practice doesn't translate to results. Yeah i agree with that. But doing well in practice against two S class terran players surely is a good sign. You still have to translate that into games that acually matter though, no doubt about that. I just think it's incredibly stupid to argue if she has the right to be confident, it's absurd tbh, ofc good practice results create confidence -.-
Agreed. Would be weird if a professional wasn't confident. May as well not bother in that case.
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On January 24 2017 09:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 09:40 SKNielsen1989 wrote:On January 24 2017 09:34 Phredxor wrote:
Flash was 67-3 in TvP in practice. Didn't help him sadly. Context? I cannot remember what you're referring to. Something entirely irrelevant for this case
Something entirely relevant to the satisfaction of my curiosity, though.
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confident against byun and innovation then she loses to alive... so sad
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still she played well, the games against alive were quite enjoyable. gg
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On January 24 2017 10:17 SKNielsen1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2017 09:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:On January 24 2017 09:40 SKNielsen1989 wrote:On January 24 2017 09:34 Phredxor wrote:
Flash was 67-3 in TvP in practice. Didn't help him sadly. Context? I cannot remember what you're referring to. Something entirely irrelevant for this case Something entirely relevant to the satisfaction of my curiosity, though.
At some point (in 2014 i think ?) Flash couldn't be beaten by Protoss in practice (I don't remember if it was 67-3 but he just didn't lose, it was even a better record in my memory) and yet couldn't find any succes pass Ro16 GSL when he even qualified and was on a losing streak in proleague and finished with an okayish record for Flash he still beat Parting and sOs when it mattered the most though
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On January 26 2017 22:48 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
confident against byun and innovation then she loses to alive... so sad
She beat Maru, but lost to aLive in 2013 WCS Season 2 Finals.
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On January 27 2017 01:43 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2017 22:48 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
confident against byun and innovation then she loses to alive... so sad She beat Maru, but lost to aLive in 2013 WCS Season 2 Finals.
To be fair aLive was way better in 2013, the gap between him and maru wasn't as big as it is now
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On January 27 2017 02:03 Philozovic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 01:43 stuchiu wrote:On January 26 2017 22:48 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
confident against byun and innovation then she loses to alive... so sad She beat Maru, but lost to aLive in 2013 WCS Season 2 Finals. To be fair aLive was way better in 2013, the gap between him and maru wasn't as big as it is now
huh? No he wasn't.
Alive was just some mid-tier WCS AM Terran. In fact, Scarlett 3-0'd him on one of her WCS runs around the same time. Maru had just come off of his OSL run.
In LotV aLive's been in his best form since the first half of 2012.
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On January 27 2017 02:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 02:03 Philozovic wrote:On January 27 2017 01:43 stuchiu wrote:On January 26 2017 22:48 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
confident against byun and innovation then she loses to alive... so sad She beat Maru, but lost to aLive in 2013 WCS Season 2 Finals. To be fair aLive was way better in 2013, the gap between him and maru wasn't as big as it is now huh? No he wasn't. Alive was just some mid-tier WCS NA Terran. Maru had just come off of his OSL run. In LotV aLive's been in his best form since the first half of 2012.
Sometimes. aLive's form changes about every month or so.
Also aLive was the 3rd best Terran in WCS NA, right behind Polt and TaeJa. WCS NA was kinda stacked back in the day.
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On January 27 2017 02:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 02:03 Philozovic wrote:On January 27 2017 01:43 stuchiu wrote:On January 26 2017 22:48 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
confident against byun and innovation then she loses to alive... so sad She beat Maru, but lost to aLive in 2013 WCS Season 2 Finals. To be fair aLive was way better in 2013, the gap between him and maru wasn't as big as it is now huh? No he wasn't. Alive was just some mid-tier WCS AM Terran. In fact, Scarlett 3-0'd him on one of her WCS runs around the same time. Maru had just come off of his OSL run. In LotV aLive's been in his best form since the first half of 2012.
Yes he was, he made 2 top 8 WCS america sure it's not GSL but it was pretty stacked he beat Maru 2-0 in group stage during WCS final Season 2 before losing 3-2 to First in the Ro8 who just had beaten Polt 4-0
And WCS final Season 1 he lost to Soulkey (GSL winner) and Innovation (GSL "runner up, I would have won if it was BO5")
After WCS Season 2 Maru was on another planet and aLive slumped hard but right at that time aLive was still a very strong player
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On January 27 2017 02:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 02:03 Philozovic wrote:On January 27 2017 01:43 stuchiu wrote:On January 26 2017 22:48 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
confident against byun and innovation then she loses to alive... so sad She beat Maru, but lost to aLive in 2013 WCS Season 2 Finals. To be fair aLive was way better in 2013, the gap between him and maru wasn't as big as it is now huh? No he wasn't. Alive was just some mid-tier WCS AM Terran. In fact, Scarlett 3-0'd him on one of her WCS runs around the same time. Maru had just come off of his OSL run. In LotV aLive's been in his best form since the first half of 2012.
I feel like every Terran is in his best form in LOTV :-/
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France12761 Posts
On January 27 2017 04:10 hiroshOne wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2017 02:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On January 27 2017 02:03 Philozovic wrote:On January 27 2017 01:43 stuchiu wrote:On January 26 2017 22:48 HoZBlooddrop wrote:
confident against byun and innovation then she loses to alive... so sad She beat Maru, but lost to aLive in 2013 WCS Season 2 Finals. To be fair aLive was way better in 2013, the gap between him and maru wasn't as big as it is now huh? No he wasn't. Alive was just some mid-tier WCS AM Terran. In fact, Scarlett 3-0'd him on one of her WCS runs around the same time. Maru had just come off of his OSL run. In LotV aLive's been in his best form since the first half of 2012. I feel like every Terran is in his best form in LOTV :-/
Maru shat the bed in 2016 individual leagues, INnovation as well.
Only TY and ByuN were relevant in 2016 individual leagues (Maru was only good for /!\ rip /!\ proleague), now ByuN is slumping but INnovation is back in form...
aLive was doing well at the start of LotV in SSL where only him and ByuN managed to go "far", he is kind of hit or miss in his performances.
It still seems odd that she lost to aLive of all terrans.
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D-D-D-DOMINATED!
better luck next time!
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
:D hope she tries next season as well though.
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She played well and had two chances to advance.
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Honestly was not impressed with scarlett's play...oh well, didn't expect much more from a foreigner (sorry def racist)
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aLive is a great player, but not the most consistent. I've seen him play great and nearly unbeatable, and full of mistakes and chokes.
With that said, Scarlett and aLive played really good games, and it was hardly a cake walk for aLive. Scarlett made some mistakes, and aLive capitalized on them.
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On January 27 2017 05:26 GumBa wrote:
:D hope she tries next season as well though.
What if next season she knocks out INoVation? Would you be so happy that she tried next season?
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Her defenses looked fragile and exploitable and she never seemed to transition to lategame at all... I don't think she can compete with an Alive who has a good day.
Also, after the ah ah ah ah Staying *ALIVE* I want to see what more tasteless can come up with. That was brilliant.
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10-1
thats some surprising results, considering its the theoretical best player in the world vs actual best player in the world
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INnoVation called her bluff.
Or maybe Scarlett is just bad at math?
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Scarlett uses mind games...it's not very effective
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On January 27 2017 22:53 ZertoN wrote:check out that 70% winrate!! aligulac.com
You'd think by now people would remember that players face each other on ladder constantly and not just in tournaments like aligulac would have you believe.
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On January 27 2017 23:21 blunderfulguy wrote:You'd think by now people would remember that players face each other on ladder constantly and not just in tournaments like aligulac would have you believe.
Well, reality and shitposting don't go well together so you have to choose one.
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On January 27 2017 23:21 blunderfulguy wrote:You'd think by now people would remember that players face each other on ladder constantly and not just in tournaments like aligulac would have you believe.
You'd also think that players would remember that ladder don't mean anything with koreans.
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On January 27 2017 21:51 ZertoN wrote:
10-1
thats some surprising results, considering its the theoretical best player in the world vs actual best player in the world
Wait, did they play somewhere? what are these 5-1 and 10-1 referring to?
edit: 'they' being scarlett and inno
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in the gstl inno beat scarlett 10-1
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Just an online tournament. Oh wait, that excuse only applies when foreigners win
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On January 27 2017 23:21 blunderfulguy wrote:You'd think by now people would remember that players face each other on ladder constantly and not just in tournaments like aligulac would have you believe.
You know what "ladder hero" means right? You know there's a reason for terms like that?
Practice from home and being on the tournament stage (even if it's online) are very different circumstances for competition, and this is the case in every esport that I can think of.
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On January 28 2017 01:04 Solar424 wrote:Just an online tournament. Oh wait, that excuse only applies when foreigners win
Yeah Inno being able to beat Scarlett online doesn't mean he would also beat her at an offline event.
He isn't used to playing in high-stake matches in front of a crowd so he would probably crumble under the pressure.
Also Scarlett probably didn't care about the tournament and was hiding strats for GSL.
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On January 28 2017 00:56 zakadar wrote:
in the gstl inno beat scarlett 10-1
oof
Terrans are killing that loser strikes back.
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On January 28 2017 01:31 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 01:04 Solar424 wrote:Just an online tournament. Oh wait, that excuse only applies when foreigners win Yeah Inno being able to beat Scarlett online doesn't mean he would also beat her at an offline event. He isn't used to playing in high-stake matches in front of a crowd so he would probably crumble under the pressure. Also Scarlett probably didn't care about the tournament and was hiding strats for GSL.
Inno does seem to do much worse when playing offline or while streaming, especially against Zerg, but then he'll 2-0 Losira and ByuL and go "back to normal" all of a sudden. Idk if it's just his attitude the last couple of months or what.
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Get.
REKT.
I know a lot of pros try to "play it cool" but Scarlett's always seemed as if she's overcompensating. How can you be THAT confident against fucking Innovation? The dude is a killing machine.
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United States33222 Posts
I think what happened is super funny, but I don't think it's anything more than that. Inno fans should definitely gloat tho
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On January 28 2017 02:12 DinoMight wrote:
Get.
REKT.
I know a lot of pros try to "play it cool" but Scarlett's always seemed as if she's overcompensating. How can you be THAT confident against fucking Innovation? The dude is a killing machine.
what do you even mean with "THAT confident"? she literally said "pretty confident". which is because she beats him about 60-70% in practice. what else would you get confidence vs a player from than games against that player?
also to quote TLO:
"Can never blame a player for saying one feels confident. What you want to hear? ''I accept my fate as lesser player and brace for defeat!''"
the stuff people are reading into this interview is baffling
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On January 28 2017 02:42 Waxangel wrote:I think what happened is super funny, but I don't think it's anything more than that. Inno fans should definitely gloat tho
Yep but like u said it's all harmless fun.
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On January 28 2017 03:37 GoloSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 02:12 DinoMight wrote:
Get.
REKT.
I know a lot of pros try to "play it cool" but Scarlett's always seemed as if she's overcompensating. How can you be THAT confident against fucking Innovation? The dude is a killing machine. what do you even mean with "THAT confident"? she literally said "pretty confident". which is because she beats him about 60-70% in practice. what else would you get confidence vs a player from than games against that player? also to quote TLO: "Can never blame a player for saying one feels confident. What you want to hear? ''I accept my fate as lesser player and brace for defeat!''" the stuff people are reading into this interview is baffling
I agreee with you. It is a typical speech from koreans pro players, full of confidence. Listen them before a GSL match: "I can beat him, I don't afraid of them, I can finish first in my group,..." No problem with that.
Simply, the way she declared she has a 60~70 % win ratio vs Inno, and she doesn't afraid of him ...Wow 
Today Inno beat her 10-1 in GSL Loser Strickes back, and I think that s the same thing on ladder. Recently, the only win she has against him is a poor game played by Inno in NW4.
Sorry for her, but they are not in the same category. Knowing this, you can't declare "I don't afraid of him", because it is false.
Actually Inno is on an another planet. His mechanics are so perfect. He is so predictable but nobody can stop him even if there is no surprise. For me, the future GSL Champion.
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On January 28 2017 07:58 Sound1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2017 03:37 GoloSC2 wrote:On January 28 2017 02:12 DinoMight wrote:
Get.
REKT.
I know a lot of pros try to "play it cool" but Scarlett's always seemed as if she's overcompensating. How can you be THAT confident against fucking Innovation? The dude is a killing machine. what do you even mean with "THAT confident"? she literally said "pretty confident". which is because she beats him about 60-70% in practice. what else would you get confidence vs a player from than games against that player? also to quote TLO: "Can never blame a player for saying one feels confident. What you want to hear? ''I accept my fate as lesser player and brace for defeat!''" the stuff people are reading into this interview is baffling I agreee with you. It is a typical speech from koreans pro players, full of confidence. Listen them before a GSL match: "I can beat him, I don't afraid of them, I can finish first in my group,..." No problem with that. Simply, the way she declared she has a 60~70 % win ratio vs Inno, and she doesn't afraid of him ...Wow Today Inno beat her 10-1 in GSL Loser Strickes back, and I think that s the same thing on ladder. Recently, the only win she has against him is a poor game played by Inno in NW4. Sorry for her, but they are not in the same category. Knowing this, you can't declare "I don't afraid of him", because it is false. Actually Inno is on an another planet. His mechanics are so perfect. He is so predictable but nobody can stop him even if there is no surprise. For me, the future GSL Champion.
I think there is an important point that was not mentioned before. If she only said like she could beat anyone or the confident story, no one would laugh at her after the awkward result. Koreans say the same thing, it's also common in any other sports. "confident" is just considered as the right attitude to face challenge, nobody cares if the players can actually keep their words.
What really matters is she put maru before inno and byun and made quiet long argument. That's no more harmlss confident talk but serious jugment. Of course there are people unhappy about that. Inno just proved how naive she was.
Anyway, we still love her. I hope Scarlett would'nt take the comments and games too serious and keep her passion. It's hard time for her though.
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Gumba guaranteed to me in PM that Scarlett would beat Inno this morning. Thought he was an inno fan lol
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On January 28 2017 11:38 Shellshock wrote:
Gumba guaranteed to me in PM that Scarlett would beat Inno this morning. Thought he was an inno fan lol
Pretty sure he's a Shura fanboi now.
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And she now beats Maru who she didn't think she would be able to. lol
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lol @people saying she is insane to challenge Inno, cause she lost to Alive. Sometimes people just argue without having an actual clue.
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On January 29 2017 17:54 egernya wrote:
And she now beats Maru who she didn't think she would be able to. lol
ATM I think Inno is a little bit above Maru. For me, Inno world best player right now and Dark is not far away for him.
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ultimately against alive her timings were slow. so were alive's timings and he hasn't been playing well relative to the best but i'm glad to see she had as many chances as she did to win as a fan.
knowing what to work on is a lot better than not having a real clue.
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On January 29 2017 19:18 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
lol @people saying she is insane to challenge Inno, cause she lost to Alive. Sometimes people just argue without having an actual clue.
?? But she lost 10-1 to Inno.
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EPT
