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HSC XIV - Days 1 to 3 - TL Writers right for once

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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 17:10:52
November 20 2016 06:05 GMT
#1
After three swift days, HSC has concluded its two group stage rounds.

Days 1 & 2 - Is this 2013?

Days 1and 2 progressed as expected, with Korea ruling the roost and progressing by a combined scoreline of 50-13. Six Koreans progressed in first place, while (Z)Rogue lost out to (T)aLive in Group A. (P)Patience was the sole Korean representative beaten by a foreigner all day long, after an impressive showing from (P)PtitDrogo.

Particularly impressive were the trio of players who progressed 6-0 out of their groups; (Z)Solar (over (T)DeMusliM and (Z)SortOf), (P)sOs (over (Z)Bly and (Z)TLO), and (Z)Snute (over (T)HeRoMaRinE and (P)Neeb).

That's not to say that everything went the favourites' ways though. (T)TY looked incredibly shaky early on, dropping a macro game on KSS to (Z)HateMe and two to an ascendant (Z)Namshar, while (Z)Elazer gave signs that his semifinal appearance at BlizzCon was no fluke in a tight 2-3 loss to (P)Zest.

One of the final stories of the day came in Group G, where technical difficulties and mech combined to push the schedule late into the evening. Cheers of "(Z)TLO (Z)TLO (Z)TLO" erupted as the Liquid zerg triumphed 3-2 over (T)MarineLorD, but a swift 0-3 shutout from (P)sOs brought him quickly back for the rematch. This time, it was the Millennium terran who took the series 3-2, securing his spot for Day 2.

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Snute getting into the mood



Day 3 - Sporadic upsets as favourites roll on

Once more, Korea reigned supreme in Krefeld on Day 3. This time, the damage was a hefty 30-5 win/loss record for Korea against the world, but while that might point to a hefty advantage, the truth is a little more nuanced. (P)PtitDrogo gave a good account of himself against (T)aLive, while (T)uThermal's 2-3 loss against a shaky (P)Zest was one of the closest series of the day. Still though, it's hard to look past all the other sweeps. (Z)Solar in particular looks in the kind of form we expected a few weeks back at BlizzCon, while (P)sOs has menacingly drifted into the playoffs with ease. To top it all, (T)aLive has been the star of the show so far (literally in the case of his spectacular pajama bottoms), and has illuminated the crowd with his stylistic brand of standard terran play.

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"And this is where I protoss you"


Your playoffs bracket for Day 4 will be:


Predictions:

Solar beating sOs in the Finals.

Writer: munch
Photos: Hexhaven
Editor: munch

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Neptuneajax
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia206 Posts
November 20 2016 07:17 GMT
#2
I think Solar will take this,
Denjor1elf
Profile Joined September 2016
5 Posts
November 20 2016 08:14 GMT
#3
aLive the last hope ^^
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15989 Posts
November 20 2016 08:43 GMT
#4
Foreigners have caught up!
Foreigners have caught up!
Foreigners have caught up!
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
November 20 2016 09:05 GMT
#5
I find it oddly satisfying to see all these wannabe foreigners get dominated
Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
November 20 2016 09:29 GMT
#6
How nice hsc proofed the never ending domination of Koreans, or at least for some fans.

I personally think, if you'd hid the names most people wouldn't have seen who was Korean and who was not
I am a slave of Golden from now on. Obey a supreme leader of StarCraft 2 or you get banned. I am really glad to be citizen of Democratic republic of Golden.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 20 2016 09:40 GMT
#7
On November 20 2016 18:29 Corvuuss wrote:
How nice hsc proofed the never ending domination of Koreans, or at least for some fans.

I personally think, if you'd hid the names most people wouldn't have seen who was Korean and who was not


If you'd hid the names during TY vs Zest I would have assumed it was HuK vs Xenocider or something.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15989 Posts
November 20 2016 09:45 GMT
#8
On November 20 2016 18:29 Corvuuss wrote:
How nice hsc proofed the never ending domination of Koreans, or at least for some fans.

I personally think, if you'd hid the names most people wouldn't have seen who was Korean and who was not

The winners are koreans, the losers foreigners.
Don't need to see the names to know that.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
November 20 2016 10:12 GMT
#9
I hope we won't get 4 toss in top4. That would be ultra boring. But quite high chance we get that Hope Rogue and/or Solar will prevent that.
Why so serious?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
November 20 2016 10:14 GMT
#10
Full title: "TL writers right for once - Apocalypse next week"
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Haukinger
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany131 Posts
November 20 2016 11:05 GMT
#11
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...
AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
November 20 2016 11:19 GMT
#12
If TY beat Zest in group stage, he would have yet again do the only TvT of the final brackets.

And quite happy with SortOf performances, he showed some guuuud games!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
November 20 2016 11:20 GMT
#13
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


You realize that the community literally paid for these Koreans to go to HSC? You really can't speak for everyone if you don't enjoy them being there, a lot of people very apparently do.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
November 20 2016 11:21 GMT
#14
On November 20 2016 18:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 18:29 Corvuuss wrote:
How nice hsc proofed the never ending domination of Koreans, or at least for some fans.

I personally think, if you'd hid the names most people wouldn't have seen who was Korean and who was not

The winners are koreans, the losers foreigners.
Don't need to see the names to know that.


Yes see if it was PtitDrogo vs Patience, you'd be wrong
I am a slave of Golden from now on. Obey a supreme leader of StarCraft 2 or you get banned. I am really glad to be citizen of Democratic republic of Golden.
Dungeontay
Profile Joined December 2015
126 Posts
November 20 2016 11:28 GMT
#15
"Foreigners caught up", i nearly shat my pants there.

So we are back to 2012/13 basically, where foreigners didnt have the slightest chance vs koreans. Also its funny how a lot of koreans had quiet a lot of unspent ressources during their games but still just ran over those foreigners. but thats no surprise, if you have to watch foreign players, whos units hit 20 seconds later or just chill on the map for a minute, without achieving anything. Reddit posts about a scripted scene dont even seem that stupid to me anymore. but then again, its fucking reddit
Zzz
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
November 20 2016 11:46 GMT
#16
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


If you ever visit Korea, you will understand how awesome is to see Koreans playing live. There is a solid reason why they are fan favorites.
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 20 2016 12:05 GMT
#17
It's all Nerchio's fault.

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15989 Posts
November 20 2016 12:08 GMT
#18
On November 20 2016 20:21 Corvuuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 18:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 20 2016 18:29 Corvuuss wrote:
How nice hsc proofed the never ending domination of Koreans, or at least for some fans.

I personally think, if you'd hid the names most people wouldn't have seen who was Korean and who was not

The winners are koreans, the losers foreigners.
Don't need to see the names to know that.


Yes see if it was PtitDrogo vs Patience, you'd be wrong

Uh one of 20 or so series i get wrong.
How terrible
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
MiCroLiFe
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway271 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 12:09:32
November 20 2016 12:09 GMT
#19
Im Terran. Yes i will balance whine somethimes. And thats how we terrans survive, Hoping for balance patches<3
Haukinger
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany131 Posts
November 20 2016 12:10 GMT
#20
On November 20 2016 20:20 Olli wrote:
You realize that the community literally paid for these Koreans to go to HSC? You really can't speak for everyone if you don't enjoy them being there, a lot of people very apparently do.


You know, when the "you-have-to-pay-for-koreans-if-you-want-them-at-hsc" action started on the taketv stream, I asked Naruto how to donate against the Koreans, and promised the then-asked $5000, if they didn't bring any Korean. And Naruto answered, literally, we don't want the money, we want the Koreans, because everyone likes them and it's so good for business and such. And now they say they don't get sponsors anymore, even though they can show Koreans playing all day long...
lioneros
Profile Joined November 2016
15 Posts
November 20 2016 12:15 GMT
#21
btw. Why isn't Nerchio participating?

Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 12:23:53
November 20 2016 12:22 GMT
#22
On November 20 2016 21:10 Haukinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 20:20 Olli wrote:
You realize that the community literally paid for these Koreans to go to HSC? You really can't speak for everyone if you don't enjoy them being there, a lot of people very apparently do.


You know, when the "you-have-to-pay-for-koreans-if-you-want-them-at-hsc" action started on the taketv stream, I asked Naruto how to donate against the Koreans, and promised the then-asked $5000, if they didn't bring any Korean. And Naruto answered, literally, we don't want the money, we want the Koreans, because everyone likes them and it's so good for business and such. And now they say they don't get sponsors anymore, even though they can show Koreans playing all day long...


You have to be a real special kind of person to donate for the cause of not giving the best players in the world a chance to play abroad, and have fans miss out on them.

Sponsors being hard to find is a general issue for SC2, no matter if Koreans are playing or not.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
lioneros
Profile Joined November 2016
15 Posts
November 20 2016 12:31 GMT
#23
It is understood that some fans are pissed because Koreans are winning, but it would be stupid and childish to compete only between foreigners and then cheer that they are the best. I favor foreigners(now Sortof) but I think the best shall win, no matter if foreigner or Korean.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
November 20 2016 12:36 GMT
#24
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...

You're trying to make these things related even though they're not. Starcraft 2 and HSC itself are money sinks for sponsors. Other than the sense of personal accomplishment, they gain nothing from sponsoring tournaments. This doesn't magically change with or without Korean players. If a 32 foreigner HSC had 3 times the viewers you could try to start making an argument that makes any sense. But it wouldn't.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 20 2016 12:36 GMT
#25
On November 20 2016 21:22 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 21:10 Haukinger wrote:
On November 20 2016 20:20 Olli wrote:
You realize that the community literally paid for these Koreans to go to HSC? You really can't speak for everyone if you don't enjoy them being there, a lot of people very apparently do.


You know, when the "you-have-to-pay-for-koreans-if-you-want-them-at-hsc" action started on the taketv stream, I asked Naruto how to donate against the Koreans, and promised the then-asked $5000, if they didn't bring any Korean. And Naruto answered, literally, we don't want the money, we want the Koreans, because everyone likes them and it's so good for business and such. And now they say they don't get sponsors anymore, even though they can show Koreans playing all day long...


You have to be a real special kind of person to donate for the cause of not giving the best players in the world a chance to play abroad, and have fans miss out on them.

Sponsors being hard to find is a general issue for SC2, no matter if Koreans are playing or not.

Yeah and HSC X had insane viewership, and we also had 7/8 koreans in the top 8 back then.

HSC XIII with 7/8 foreigners had not even half the viewership.

It's has zero to do with Korean or Foreigner @Haukinger, you just want to have the best players possible on the final day.

Overall the numbers for sc2 are just declining and and getting sponsors is hard, having no Koreans at HSC would just make it worse.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 12:38:40
November 20 2016 12:38 GMT
#26
I like that title. It embodies an ideal I find cool (hehe).

OT: Been nice to watch some Starcraft 2 again. I miss the old days a bit, but honestly legacy is cool to watch. I still followed the scene and its stories from afar, just getting the general idea of what was happening over there, and it seems I missed the era of foreigners apparently.

I expected Neeb to show up way more dominantly than he did (losing a game to Stephano...?), and if any foreigner in the Ro8, I didn't foresee SortOf in that role.
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lioneros
Profile Joined November 2016
15 Posts
November 20 2016 12:55 GMT
#27
Btw. nice viewer number. Having 25K every eveniing is nice. Does it meet the expectations of TakeTV?
Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 13:29:26
November 20 2016 13:28 GMT
#28
On November 20 2016 21:15 lioneros wrote:
btw. Why isn't Nerchio participating?


Yeah, I would love to see how he would perform here

Still probably the best tournament of the year. I think 32 players and double group stage is the perfect format!

Thanks TakeTV! <3
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15989 Posts
November 20 2016 13:47 GMT
#29
On November 20 2016 21:10 Haukinger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 20:20 Olli wrote:
You realize that the community literally paid for these Koreans to go to HSC? You really can't speak for everyone if you don't enjoy them being there, a lot of people very apparently do.


You know, when the "you-have-to-pay-for-koreans-if-you-want-them-at-hsc" action started on the taketv stream, I asked Naruto how to donate against the Koreans, and promised the then-asked $5000, if they didn't bring any Korean. And Naruto answered, literally, we don't want the money, we want the Koreans, because everyone likes them and it's so good for business and such. And now they say they don't get sponsors anymore, even though they can show Koreans playing all day long...

Ahaha because the last hsc without koreans attracted so much more people right?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13988 Posts
November 20 2016 14:39 GMT
#30
How does solar beat sOs in the finals if he loses 3-0 to stats?
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
November 20 2016 16:08 GMT
#31
So you are so proud of yourself that you once in a while got a prediction rock solid right, that you needed a community news for that?
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
November 20 2016 16:35 GMT
#32
Sortof confirmed best foreigner. Of course, we knew that all along. Feels good man
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24226 Posts
November 20 2016 16:56 GMT
#33
On November 20 2016 21:15 lioneros wrote:
btw. Why isn't Nerchio participating?


why would you play HSC when you can play a go4sc2 ?
Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
November 20 2016 17:20 GMT
#34
Terran never
Bomber | CJ herO | Snute
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 20 2016 19:24 GMT
#35
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 20:12:40
November 20 2016 20:11 GMT
#36
wrong thread
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 20 2016 20:11 GMT
#37
On November 21 2016 04:24 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.

If that were true this HSC would blow the last HSC where the only Korean was TRUE out of the water, but it isn't.
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
November 20 2016 20:27 GMT
#38
On November 21 2016 05:11 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2016 04:24 NarutO wrote:
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.

If that were true this HSC would blow the last HSC where the only Korean was TRUE out of the water, but it isn't.

You're wrong https://www.fuzic.nl/franchises/homestory-cup/
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
November 20 2016 20:57 GMT
#39
On November 21 2016 05:27 munch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2016 05:11 Solar424 wrote:
On November 21 2016 04:24 NarutO wrote:
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.

If that were true this HSC would blow the last HSC where the only Korean was TRUE out of the water, but it isn't.

You're wrong https://www.fuzic.nl/franchises/homestory-cup/

HSC 13: 31,951
HSC 14: 31,977
What a difference
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13988 Posts
November 20 2016 21:09 GMT
#40
On November 20 2016 23:39 Cricketer12 wrote:
How does solar beat sOs in the finals if he loses 3-0 to stats?

well, still closer to the mark that the writers
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
November 20 2016 21:10 GMT
#41
On November 21 2016 05:57 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2016 05:27 munch wrote:
On November 21 2016 05:11 Solar424 wrote:
On November 21 2016 04:24 NarutO wrote:
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.

If that were true this HSC would blow the last HSC where the only Korean was TRUE out of the water, but it isn't.

You're wrong https://www.fuzic.nl/franchises/homestory-cup/

HSC 13: 31,951
HSC 14: 31,977
What a difference

Well done, we're halfway through
Compare the other days
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 20 2016 22:00 GMT
#42
You cannot compare cross Events generally speaking. Starcraft 2 isn't doing super great currently. The Blizzcon numbers are simply Blizzards range.

We didn't have higher Viewers for non Korean vs Korean or non Korean vs non Korean because its so saturated. We had highest Viewer numbers for the Korean games.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
November 20 2016 22:02 GMT
#43
On November 21 2016 06:10 munch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2016 05:57 Solar424 wrote:
On November 21 2016 05:27 munch wrote:
On November 21 2016 05:11 Solar424 wrote:
On November 21 2016 04:24 NarutO wrote:
On November 20 2016 20:05 Haukinger wrote:
So, Naruto, tell me again why it's fun or exciting to have Koreans at HSC? No surprise, there's no sponsors around anymore, if it's just "a baby-GSL-group plus beating up Europeans"...


Higher Level of Play. Highest Viewer numbers = Korean Matches.

If that were true this HSC would blow the last HSC where the only Korean was TRUE out of the water, but it isn't.

You're wrong https://www.fuzic.nl/franchises/homestory-cup/

HSC 13: 31,951
HSC 14: 31,977
What a difference

Well done, we're halfway through
Compare the other days


Wow, compare to HSC XII...
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 20 2016 22:05 GMT
#44
On November 21 2016 07:00 NarutO wrote:
You cannot compare cross Events generally speaking. Starcraft 2 isn't doing super great currently. The Blizzcon numbers are simply Blizzards range.

We didn't have higher Viewers for non Korean vs Korean or non Korean vs non Korean because its so saturated. We had highest Viewer numbers for the Korean games.

Unfortunate the later matches are + Show Spoiler +
PvP. Imo the matchup is much better to watch in LotV and often gives very fun games, but it's still not very liked by viewers.
.
MiCroLiFe
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway271 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-21 02:02:06
November 21 2016 01:53 GMT
#45
Im Terran. Yes i will balance whine somethimes. And thats how we terrans survive, Hoping for balance patches<3
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3750 Posts
November 21 2016 11:22 GMT
#46
On November 20 2016 21:05 Musicus wrote:
It's all Nerchio's fault.

https://twitter.com/Nerchio_SC2/status/800281982450171904

Srsly
EvilsPresley
Profile Joined December 2014
France132 Posts
November 21 2016 17:17 GMT
#47
Sorry but that title with "TL writers right for once" and then:
Predictions:

Solar beating sOs in the Finals.

That's very funny :D

I still find HSC the most entertaining tourney to watch. I wish I had more time this week end
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