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September 27th, 2016 00:04 GMT

Welcome to KeSPA Cup—the first Global Event of 2016! It’s been a long buildup to the main event over the last couple of weeks, but we’re finally about to kick off the Korea vs the World rivalry we’ve been looking forward to all year. One group will be played per day from Tuesday to Friday, before a day off leads us into the playoffs on Sunday and Monday. Join us for a power rank of the sixteen players in attendance. As usual, the standard qualifiers apply—this is a PR collated from the votes of seven writers, ensuring that none of us are happy with the final result. For the first time though, we’re showing exactly how each of us voted, allowing all of you to abuse us personally in the comments instead of hiding under the TL Esports banner.



Power Rank



#16: MVP.(Z)Pet

Pet ZvZ'd his way through the qualifier. Fortunately for the suspense here, that tells us next to nothing about his skill overall, especially because nothing was streamed. Pet's only other ventures have come online against mixed competition, with mixed results. HIs GSL Season 2 was cut short by (P)Stork in Code A.
The only thing that makes me think Pet has any chance of taking the odd map is that he beat SSL runner-up and Cross Finals Champion (Z)Dark in his final qualifying series. Regardless of what match-up you're playing, beating Dark is impressive.

So good on you, Pet. Let's see what you've got. Until then, though, I'm putting you at #16. [E/N: So is everyone else]

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#15: Millenium.(T)MarineLorD

Let’s not beat around the bush; it’s been a pretty disappointing year for MarineLorD. Sure, 2nd place at DH Valencia was impressive, albeit falling crushingly short after Nerchio’s dominant 4-0 win in the final, but results elsewhere have been lacking. Top 16 finishes at WCS Winter and Summer, a top 8 place at HSC, and assorted other low finishes aren’t really anything to be embarassed about, but after the hype train that was Nation Wars last December, it’s been a swift fall from grace. At the start of the year, MarineLorD stated that he wanted at least a $50,000 haul from the year to justify the progamer life; as we come to the end of 2016, it seems he’s likely to fall short. Nothing is expected of him here, and he’ll be the biggest underdog of the foreigner triple threat in this competition (especially given his tough group). Then again, we have to remember the run that kicked off his year; the run that announced him as a threat in Legacy of the Void. None of those players he demolished will be here—Hydra, PartinG and INnoVation—but Korea does not forget. They’ll be gunning for him, but with nothing to lose here, MarineLorD may well give them one more thing to remember.

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#14: PSISTORM.(Z)TRUE

With a WCS title under his belt, TRUE didn't need any additional WCS Points. Regardless, he qualified through the NA qualifier with flying colors. That's in stark contrast to his Open Qualifier performance, though, where he was quickly 2-0'd by (P)Super. If that is anything to go by, then TRUE might face some trouble in KeSPA Cup. Nevertheless, he has done very well against any kind of competition in the foreign scene, of which some players are ranked higher than TRUE himself here, so I will cut him some slack.

Inexperience in Korea will not be his downfall, as TRUE was a Code S player before relocating to the US. He's also in arguably the weakest group. But this ranking is not about who has the best chances to advance, it's about who we think are the best players overall. And although TRUE is good, we agreed that the players above him are better.

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#13 JinAir.(P)Trap

Despite Jin Air’s overwhelming success this year, Trap’s gone under the radar in 2016. A top 16 finish in GSL S1 was encouraging, looking particularly clean against Super, but poor performances in Season 2 contributed to early exits in both competitions. Usurped by Cure for Jin Air’s 4th spot, Trap’s had little to do in the back end of 2016. Then again, Trap’s never been a player who’s particularly impressed in the Korean starleagues, save for his breakout 5th place finish in WCS KR S3 2013. He’s always been a player who kicks it up a gear in his rare forays in foreign events with remarkable reliability—top 4 at the WCS S3 Finals in 2013, 1st and 4th at MLG Anaheim and Red Bull Washington respectively in 2014, and his silver medal at IEM Katowice last year. Shorn of those opportunities this year, this will be Trap’s final chance in 2016; can he conjure up some weekender magic once more?

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#12: TING.(P)Neeb

Arguably the best American player, Neeb, is hard to rank. Summed up in short, it's because there are two different players wrapped in one Neeb. One that is good enough to 4-0 a GSL champion online and dominate foreign opposition, and another who, at the first sign of glory, lets himself be overcome by panic and nerves. These two play the game differently. Whereas regular Neeb approaches the game similarly to Zest, figuring out builds, refining them and executing them very well, nervous Neeb lets it fall apart. Execution requires a level of calmness, a view from above and cold blood, and nervousness directly opposes that. Neeb is his own worst enemy, because his personality almost directly opposes his style of play.

If that were not the case, chances are Neeb would dominate the foreign scene entirely and, naturally, be ranked higher. How this translates to his performance at the offline KeSPA Cup is hard to say. He has had some time to get accustomed to Korea, having lived there for a few weeks now. He may have played against others in this event on ladder before. But Korea is a rough neighborhood, and competition will be harder than ever before. Neeb may come into the tournament with a 'nothing to lose' attitude, calming his mind and letting him perform well, but he may also crumble under the heavy weight of Korea's greatest players. A group with ByuN, Zest and Rogue could absolutely do both.

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#11 JinAir.(Z)Rogue

There’s been no more confusing player to watch in Korea this year than Rogue. From the utter consistency of 2015—five top 8 finishes out of six in the starleagues—to the crazy ups and downs of 2016, Rogue’s definitely taken a backward step this year. Still, for every dispiriting defeat, there’s an equally uplifting reminder of Rogue at his creative best, not least in his multiple unorthodox victories over Zest during the year. His ZvZ has grown from strength to strength (7-0 in Proleague this year), and he’s arguably the best mirror matcher that the race has to offer right now. What we saw last year from Rogue was a player who’d crush through lesser opposition in the early rounds, before being unable to beat the best in the business when the pressure ramped up. Arguably, it’s been completely the opposite this year; clutch for Jin Air in ace matches, while having enough tools to take out unsuspecting opposition. It’s a formula that thwarted him in the starleagues, but the fast paced KeSPA Cup rounds, Rogue could spring an upset.

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#10: KT.(P)Zest

Never did I imagine that Zest would fall this hard after his dominant GSL winning run. It's taken only seven series to push him from what could still be the throne of this ranking down to tenth place. Those series are the last ones he has played. Every one of them he lost. But it isn't that he lost them, it's the manner he lost them in. While he was painting near perfect pictures previously, his strokes now seem blunt and rough. His execution appears especially questionable, his decisions sometimes off.

Now, seven series is not much to write someone off completely. With three GSL trophies and a KeSPA Cup in Korea alone, Zest's ability to bounce back stronger than ever is immense. His recent form makes you wonder if #10 is even low enough, but the fact that he won a GSL this year and was the best player in the world for a long time lets him stay here. Class is permanent, and Zest most certainly has it, but his form does not appear to be there right now.

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#9 EURONICS.(Z)Nerchio

Is there really another choice right now for ‘Best Foreigner in SC2’? Nerchio’s relentless self-promotion, both on the message boards and in the server, has garnered him plenty of fans around the world. Not without reason; the EURONICS zerg has put together an awesomely consistent set of results since the release of Legacy of the Void. He’s reached the top 8 in eight of his ten competitive appearances since DH Winter 2015, including the runners up spot at WCS Spring and the gold at DH Valencia—a record that only Neeb comes close to matching. It’s not just foreigners that Nerchio is crushing though; in the past four months, his record against KR-based Koreans is 20-6, including six victims from his rampage through SHOUTcraft Kings September. The Polish zerg is a very real threat here, and if his motivation for success here isn’t already at an all-time high, certain comments from SKT Dark might push him over the edge. Nerchio notably shares a group with Dark’s teammate Classic, and success here could well mean an awkward night in the SKT house.

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#8: Afreeca.(P)Patience

It may be time to re-evaluate Patience as a player. Always talked about as someone who isn't good enough to hang with the very best, but occasionally take games off them, the Afreeca ace has finally hit his stride and it's become impossible to deny it. That's why, at the last event before BlizzCon, Patience is still fighting for a spot, and he isn't far off either. Had Classic failed to qualify for KeSPA Cup, Patience' ticket to Anaheim would already be booked.

Patience is not your everyday cheesy Protoss anymore. He's now someone who easily 2-0'd (T)INnoVation and (P)sOs, despite the latter having everything to lose. He's the one who knocked GSL champion Zest out of Starleague in a Bo5. He beat TY and Cure to get there in the first place. Patience is now good enough to compete with the best, and to beat them. And right here, he can prove it by securing his place at the Global Finals. That's why, deservedly so, Patience ranks at #8 and may even deserve higher if his recent form is anything to go by.

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#7 CJ.(P)herO

herO was by far the most polarising player in the entire PR. Ranked as high as #4 by one writer, and as low as #11 by another, the CJ ace seems to be the one player that we can’t really agree on at all. That’s partly because he’s neither had the eyecatching starleague placements of some of those above him, nor the mindboggling Proleague results of others (Maru). Still, it bears repeating that while it’s been a step down from his stellar 2015, herO’s still had a great year. Two top 8 finishes in the GSL have been paired with a 20-9 record in Proleague—results all the more impressive given how disastrously the rest of CJ have performed this year. Let’s not forget too—herO still has an outside chance of stealing the 8th seed for BlizzCon. Sure, it’s unlikely—he’ll need to win the whole thing, while hoping Classic and Patience drop out early—but with one more target to aim at, 2016’s not quite over yet for herO.

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#6: JinAir.(T)Maru

A single Ro16. That's Maru's individual league achievements throughout the whole year. Despite all the talk that Korean competition is too rough, which may very well be the case, Maru just didn't show up in them. He failed to qualify for anything in Season 1, fell out of Starleague in S2 Challenger again. His GSL S2 run was ended by (P)MyuNgSiK and (P)Dear, just about summing up that chapter of his career. So why is he at #6?

Well, Maru's Proleague record is absurd. 22-4 is good, no matter how you spin it. And despite being eliminated from every individual competition early, Maru rarely looked bad in defeat. He did, however, look absolutely dominant in victory. It's incredibly hard to rank Maru due to his lack of individual success, but we've decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and agreed that the way he played Proleague all year deserves a decent ranking. So welcome at rank 6, Maru.

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#5 KT.(P)Stats

“Anything that Stats can do, Zest can do better”. It’s a fact that Stats’ big brother on KT proved time and again in the first half of the year. It was Zest who won his starleague final; Zest who led KT to Proleague success. That’s the perceived wisdom though. Since his SSL loss to Dark, Stats went from strength to strength; winning the Cross Finals over Zest and Dark while embarking on a 15-1 winstreak in Proleague. Where Zest has struggled, Stats has made his case to be KT’s #1 player, even if a tight 2-3 loss to Classic kicked him out of the SSL and a rare bad day at the office led to 0-2s from Cure and MyuNgSiK in the GSL. Stats has always been the dark horse of the protoss pack. Zest, Classic, herO and sOs have all tasted success on multiple occasions, but Stats is still yet to stand on the stage as a champion—let’s be honest, the Cross Finals don’t really count. His consistency throughout the year has delivered him a guaranteed spot at BlizzCon; it’s time for him to add the KeSPA Cup cherry to the cake.

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#4: SKT.(P)Classic

Currently sitting very uncomfortably in #8 of the Korean WCS rankings, Classic has definitely stepped up from where he was earlier this year. To be honest with you, this writer (Olli) thinks that Legacy of the Void is absolutely not a game made for Classic, a player who previously excelled at no single thing in particular, but was the most versatile Protoss in the world. He can do absolutely everything at a very high level, and HotS simply had more strategies for him to use. The more Classic is allowed to do, the better he is. That's why I still don't think that he's as good as he was in the previous expansion. When he won his SSL and IEM titles, Classic was the best player in the world. Those heights he hasn't reached since.

But he has definitely improved compared to his early days in the new game. His SSL semifinal series against Dark was one of the best series of the year, played at an immensely high level. Despite Dark barely edging out a win in the end, Classic did plenty to show that he is still very much one of the greats. His form is good, he looks good in every match-up, he's a championship caliber player. And, perhaps most importantly, Classic has everything to play for, with Patience on his heels in WCS.

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#3 KT.(T)TY

Much like Stats, TY’s seemingly fated to be ‘that player who places highly but fails to win’. Denied GSL victory by his teammate Zest, he’s nonetheless been excellent throughout 2016. Following up his GSL silver with a pair of top 8 finishes gives him a consistency other players on this list can only dream of, and he was only denied further glory by some inspired PvT from Dear, and some world class ZvT from his traditional nemesis Dark. Still, it’s all added up to another year of ‘not quite’ for the KT terran—not quite good enough in TvP to beat Zest or Dear; not quite good enough in TvZ to beat Dark; not quite good enough in TvT to beat Maru. Much like Stats, TY’s always been good, but not the best. What better time to correct that status than the first Global Event of 2016?

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#2: Samsung.(Z)Solar

Solar has deserved to be the highest ranking Zerg in something for so long. This time, there's no soO to automatically rank above him, as it was in 2014. No Life, as in 2015. And with Dark not qualifying for KeSPA Cup, his current rival isn't here either. And thus, Solar is the best Zerg at this event. The reigning Starleague champion almost added another trophy to his growing stack, but was ultimately out-ZvZ-ed by Dark in a deciding fifth game of the Cross Finals. With top class ZvZ, arguably the best ZvP on the planet, and largely untested ZvT that we expect to be quite decent as well, Solar is one of the hottest contenders to take home KeSPA Cup as well.

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#1 (T)ByuN

Besides Pet, there was only one player that all seven of us agreed on. The reigning GSL champion is on a hot streak that rivals anything we’ve seen this year so far. ByuN shares Zest’s impenetrable aura in Season 1, and Maru’s irresistable force during his unbeaten proleague run. His TvP prowess is off the charts; since the start of July, ByuN is 80-8 in the matchup, with just one series loss to Classic in the SSL (having beaten Classic in their opening match). With 4-1 wins over both Dear and sOs en route to the GSL title, that particular streak doesn’t look like stopping anytime soon, with his transcendent micro control making mincemeat of protoss’ traditional adept-heavy armies. An 80% winrate in TvT in the same timeframe is hardly poor either, including a win over INnoVation (although it must be mentioned that he’s yet to face either TY or Maru this year).

If he’s got one weakness, it’s that his TvZ is shaky sometimes, though his weakness against lategame zerg is more a generic terran concern than one attributable to him in particular. His 2-3 loss to Dark in the Cross-Finals demonstrated his inability to crack late game ultra-heavy compositions, although such a tight loss to the best ZvTer in the world is hardly a loss to be ashamed of. We’re in an age where none of the players we watch are perfect; there’s no 2011 Mvp to be found here. But in a set of players who all have their faults, ByuN shines as the star with the highest peaks. If he performs to his peak potential, with no Dark to stop him here, ByuN’s the clear favourite to take the tournament.

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 26 2016 23:59 GMT
#2
NERCHIO DISRESPECTED
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Mute City2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 00:00:24
September 27 2016 00:00 GMT
#3
time to tell us who is the most biased
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seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
September 27 2016 00:02 GMT
#4
THIS IS THE MOST HYPE TOURNAMENT IN 2016.
Look at how many topic about it.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
September 27 2016 00:17 GMT
#5
Classic > Rogue Finals, ByuN gets second in his group
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Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33392 Posts
September 27 2016 00:20 GMT
#6
I don't know guys, are you sure you know StarCraft ?
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
September 27 2016 00:30 GMT
#7
Nerchio ahead of Zest and Rogue is VERY generous lol.

I guess he does have a slightly easier group though so I guess it works out. Winners of Group A I think will be the heavy favorites to take the whole tournament.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 27 2016 00:34 GMT
#8
A foreigner in top10 power rank? on teamliquid? Dreams are made of this
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
September 27 2016 00:36 GMT
#9
However this turns out it's a victory for me. I'm curious to see how these predictions pan out via groups.
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
September 27 2016 00:42 GMT
#10
Everybody else in my group is higher than me, terrible power rank.

I can be #9, whatever, but patience/classic/maru need to be lower than #9
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 27 2016 00:42 GMT
#11
Interesting list, seems decent enough

Byun's mentioned winrates include a lot of online play i would imagine? While i think his skill atm is absolutely there he really plays a lot vs mediocre competition and thus the winrates are not really a good indicator.
You have to put him at number one though so it's ok.
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
September 27 2016 00:42 GMT
#12
pretty sure Pet will obliterate the Cup and this PR
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Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 27 2016 00:42 GMT
#13
I'm pretty surprised that the foreigners didn't occupy the last four places (plus Pet), but I think I can understand Zest and Rogue's placing given Zest's recent form and Rogue's not-very-much that he has accomplished this year.

I do think that there are some very apt comparisons with Zest and Neeb. When they're on, they're really on, but when they're off, they're really off. Zest can go from winning GSLs to losing to TangTang. And Neeb has spectacularly failed at certain times in tournaments.

It should be a fun tournament.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 00:51:54
September 27 2016 00:48 GMT
#14
Very nice. You should have published the individual results years ago.

What I got from all this is that Soularion is the fool who likes foreigners, Destructicon is the KeSPA elitist, and everyone's overrating Maru.

On September 27 2016 09:42 Paljas wrote:
pretty sure Pet will obliterate the Cup and this PR


Pet outZvZing TRUE would be best possible finals for this cup.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 27 2016 00:51 GMT
#15
On September 27 2016 09:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Very nice. You should have published the individual results years ago.

What I got from all this is that Soularion is the fool who likes foreigners, Destructicon is the KeSPA elitist, and everyone's overrating Maru.

Yeah i also like Destruction's list the most
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 27 2016 01:07 GMT
#16
Only Destruction makes sense. Nerchio could be rank 13, the highest of all foreigners and True
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Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 27 2016 01:56 GMT
#17
On September 27 2016 09:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Very nice. You should have published the individual results years ago.

What I got from all this is that Soularion is the fool who likes foreigners, Destructicon is the KeSPA elitist, and everyone's overrating Maru.

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On September 27 2016 09:42 Paljas wrote:
pretty sure Pet will obliterate the Cup and this PR


Pet outZvZing TRUE would be best possible finals for this cup.


pretty accurate. Funnily Ravi said Soul wasn't biased enough to NA players.
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
September 27 2016 02:42 GMT
#18
I don't even like foreigners /that/ much, I just don't see that much from the koreans here

Pet is horrible, Trap is weak, Rogue and Zest have both had very very middling form recently, while herO/patience are totally arguable - I just haven't seen enough from herO, and his decisive losses in the Ro8 of both GSLs are the main thing I've seen from his year.

note neeb is floating super high in KR GM right now, which is pretty good, and Nerchio just ravaged a bunch of koreans in shoutcraft. I like foreigners, but not unreasonably
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Profile Joined August 2011
Australia1 Post
September 27 2016 03:34 GMT
#19
Just did a search of the web and found NO information on who is commentating. Why is nobody asking this question!?
Is it Tastosis?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 27 2016 03:35 GMT
#20
On September 27 2016 12:34 Xenharmonic wrote:
Just did a search of the web and found NO information on who is commentating. Why is nobody asking this question!?
Is it Tastosis?

Im almost certain it'll be Wolf and Brenden
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Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
September 27 2016 03:42 GMT
#21
Guys don't take it too seriously. You know, it's TL :p
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 27 2016 03:56 GMT
#22
On September 27 2016 12:42 Thouhastmail wrote:
Guys don't take it too seriously. You know, it's TL :p

rule 1 of power ranks is that you have to complain about it
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Korea (North)876 Posts
September 27 2016 03:59 GMT
#23
On September 27 2016 12:56 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 12:42 Thouhastmail wrote:
Guys don't take it too seriously. You know, it's TL :p

rule 1 of power ranks is that you have to complain about it


Then why the hell Maru is not #1?

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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 27 2016 04:09 GMT
#24
On September 27 2016 12:59 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 12:56 Shellshock wrote:
On September 27 2016 12:42 Thouhastmail wrote:
Guys don't take it too seriously. You know, it's TL :p

rule 1 of power ranks is that you have to complain about it


Then why the hell Maru is not #1?



TL writers are only willing to stretch our suspension of disbelief so far.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 27 2016 04:17 GMT
#25
On September 27 2016 13:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 12:59 Thouhastmail wrote:
On September 27 2016 12:56 Shellshock wrote:
On September 27 2016 12:42 Thouhastmail wrote:
Guys don't take it too seriously. You know, it's TL :p

rule 1 of power ranks is that you have to complain about it


Then why the hell Maru is not #1?



TL writers are only willing to stretch our suspension of disbelief so far.


Yet no Taeja in the ranking.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10078 Posts
September 27 2016 04:35 GMT
#26
Thx! Go ByuN go Maru!!!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 27 2016 06:07 GMT
#27
On September 27 2016 13:17 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 13:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On September 27 2016 12:59 Thouhastmail wrote:
On September 27 2016 12:56 Shellshock wrote:
On September 27 2016 12:42 Thouhastmail wrote:
Guys don't take it too seriously. You know, it's TL :p

rule 1 of power ranks is that you have to complain about it


Then why the hell Maru is not #1?



TL writers are only willing to stretch our suspension of disbelief so far.


Yet no Taeja in the ranking.


He did beat Zest...
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 27 2016 06:14 GMT
#28
On September 27 2016 09:42 Nerchio wrote:
Everybody else in my group is higher than me, terrible power rank.

I can be #9, whatever, but patience/classic/maru need to be lower than #9


YOU need to be below Pet
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Colouss
Profile Joined November 2013
United States501 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 06:22:52
September 27 2016 06:22 GMT
#29
On September 27 2016 15:14 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 09:42 Nerchio wrote:
Everybody else in my group is higher than me, terrible power rank.

I can be #9, whatever, but patience/classic/maru need to be lower than #9


YOU need to be below Pet


Hey, Pet beat Dark so he clearly can beat Nerchio, right?
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13320 Posts
September 27 2016 06:39 GMT
#30
Pretty reasonable PR, I wouldn't put ByuN at #1 though, I'd put Solar instead (though as you said, we don't know much about his ZvT)
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland931 Posts
September 27 2016 06:49 GMT
#31
It's too late, we're all aboard the ByuN train.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
September 27 2016 06:56 GMT
#32
I think this is reasonable, get at me
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18412 Posts
September 27 2016 07:00 GMT
#33
I thought herO finished top in PL wins? How can Maru have more wins than him then?
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
September 27 2016 07:09 GMT
#34
On September 27 2016 09:42 Nerchio wrote:
Everybody else in my group is higher than me, terrible power rank.

I can be #9, whatever, but patience/classic/maru need to be lower than #9

beat the protosses in your group and I'll rank you super high for blizzcon

like

maybe top 5
Writermaru pls
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 27 2016 07:10 GMT
#35
Pet's going to fucking murder everybody.
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 27 2016 07:10 GMT
#36
On September 27 2016 16:00 sharkie wrote:
I thought herO finished top in PL wins? How can Maru have more wins than him then?

The official PL ranking doesn't count playoff wins, but if you add these Maru has the edge I think.
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Asturas
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Finland587 Posts
September 27 2016 07:14 GMT
#37
This is so exciting!

Go Nerchio! Go foreigners!

Of course I realize that Byun will win this But I'm fine with that.
There are no boundaries, that's the final conclusion.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 07:25:01
September 27 2016 07:24 GMT
#38
LOL@Maru being in the top 10
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
September 27 2016 07:27 GMT
#39
I believe in Maru!

Pretty reasonable ranking, though I'll puto Rogue and Zest above Nerchio.
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MLuneth
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia557 Posts
September 27 2016 07:29 GMT
#40
On September 27 2016 15:56 Olli wrote:
I think this is reasonable, get at me

The power rank isn't just nerchio coming first 16 times, pretty illogical imo
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 07:33:18
September 27 2016 07:30 GMT
#41
What is this with putting Zest so low XD I know he's been sucking recently but is it really that bad? I mean you put him lower than Nerch and herO? Both of them are playing at a lower level. If he's at his best he wins this cup easily whereas most the other guys have no chance.

Lowest is Pet, MLord, Nerch, True, herO, and Neeb. These are the only guys with 0 win chance
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 27 2016 07:31 GMT
#42
The writers aren't being insulted enough what is this
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MLuneth
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia557 Posts
September 27 2016 07:34 GMT
#43
On September 27 2016 16:31 lichter wrote:
The writers aren't being insulted enough what is this

Nerchio has a current monoply on internet hate points, maybe you could ask him to loan you some?
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TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 07:44:44
September 27 2016 07:41 GMT
#44
Everyone saying Pet is a horrible player, but funny thing is Pet still qualified for GSL code A once while NA best zerg Scarlett and no other could not make ever. And HerO was the one who took down Pet 3-2 in season 2 code A, not Stork. And why Trap, Rogue, Zest are lower than foreigners who haven't even come to Korea and made GSL code S. Even mediocre code S player TRUE won WCS Circuit Summer by 16-2, and that is the fact so far. I know this is foreign community but it's bit biased I suppose to say
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
September 27 2016 07:48 GMT
#45
Ah yes, now that we have no TL players to be biased in favor of, we have succumbed to preferring foreigners.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
September 27 2016 07:48 GMT
#46
no Dark no Party
I like Dark
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3386 Posts
September 27 2016 08:10 GMT
#47
It's only like an opinion dude. Anyways I think this is a bit outdated with Zest and TY so high, also True should be higher. Rest is only nitpicking in comparison.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 08:20:16
September 27 2016 08:17 GMT
#48
I want to complain about something but none of the rankings are silly enough to be worth the effort. It's... disappointing.
On September 27 2016 17:10 ejozl wrote:
It's only like an opinion dude. Anyways I think this is a bit outdated with Zest and TY so high, also True should be higher. Rest is only nitpicking in comparison.

When you say "so high" you make it sound like Zest got a good spot, but he's pretty far down there. And I don't think you can really justify putting TY more than 2 spots lower than he is here.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 27 2016 08:24 GMT
#49
On September 27 2016 17:17 Elentos wrote:
I want to complain about something but none of the rankings are silly enough to be worth the effort. It's... disappointing.
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:10 ejozl wrote:
It's only like an opinion dude. Anyways I think this is a bit outdated with Zest and TY so high, also True should be higher. Rest is only nitpicking in comparison.

When you say "so high" you make it sound like Zest got a good spot, but he's pretty far down there. And I don't think you can really justify putting TY more than 2 spots lower than he is here.


I think TY get bonus points for being in the easiest group.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 08:27:17
September 27 2016 08:26 GMT
#50
On September 27 2016 17:24 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:17 Elentos wrote:
I want to complain about something but none of the rankings are silly enough to be worth the effort. It's... disappointing.
On September 27 2016 17:10 ejozl wrote:
It's only like an opinion dude. Anyways I think this is a bit outdated with Zest and TY so high, also True should be higher. Rest is only nitpicking in comparison.

When you say "so high" you make it sound like Zest got a good spot, but he's pretty far down there. And I don't think you can really justify putting TY more than 2 spots lower than he is here.


I think TY get bonus points for being in the easiest group.

But this ranking is not about who has the best chances to advance, it's about who we think are the best players overall.

The reasoning for TRUE being at 14 even though he's also in the easiest group.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 27 2016 08:27 GMT
#51
On September 27 2016 16:30 Fango wrote:
What is this with putting Zest so low XD I know he's been sucking recently but is it really that bad? I mean you put him lower than Nerch and herO? Both of them are playing at a lower level. If he's at his best he wins this cup easily whereas most the other guys have no chance.

Lowest is Pet, MLord, Nerch, True, herO, and Neeb. These are the only guys with 0 win chance


I love Zest, but based on his last bunch of games he deserves his ranking.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 27 2016 08:43 GMT
#52
On September 27 2016 17:27 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 16:30 Fango wrote:
What is this with putting Zest so low XD I know he's been sucking recently but is it really that bad? I mean you put him lower than Nerch and herO? Both of them are playing at a lower level. If he's at his best he wins this cup easily whereas most the other guys have no chance.

Lowest is Pet, MLord, Nerch, True, herO, and Neeb. These are the only guys with 0 win chance


I love Zest, but based on his last bunch of games he deserves his ranking.


Yh I know he's played awfully the past couple months but it's not like he's worse than herO or Nerchio by any means. He has a much better chance at winning than those guys. It's just a matter of time until his form bounces back again, once it does he'll probably win whatever we enters like before.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 08:46:37
September 27 2016 08:46 GMT
#53
On September 27 2016 17:43 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:27 Phredxor wrote:
On September 27 2016 16:30 Fango wrote:
What is this with putting Zest so low XD I know he's been sucking recently but is it really that bad? I mean you put him lower than Nerch and herO? Both of them are playing at a lower level. If he's at his best he wins this cup easily whereas most the other guys have no chance.

Lowest is Pet, MLord, Nerch, True, herO, and Neeb. These are the only guys with 0 win chance


I love Zest, but based on his last bunch of games he deserves his ranking.


Yh I know he's played awfully the past couple months but it's not like he's worse than herO or Nerchio by any means. He has a much better chance at winning than those guys. It's just a matter of time until his form bounces back again, once it does he'll probably win whatever we enters like before.

He played worse than herO for sure. Remember how herO won the GSL group Zest was eliminated in?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 27 2016 08:57 GMT
#54
It is sad, Pet is not in one group with Nerchio when he was specifically preparing for a ZvZ for his group :-)
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
September 27 2016 09:11 GMT
#55
Why is TRUE below Neeb and Nerchio when TRUE beasted through WCS and the NA qualifier both very easily? I mean Nerchio maybe, but Neeb?
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 27 2016 09:29 GMT
#56
On September 27 2016 18:11 Die4Ever wrote:
Why is TRUE below Neeb and Nerchio when TRUE beasted through WCS and the NA qualifier both very easily? I mean Nerchio maybe, but Neeb?


Didn't you hear? TRUE had bracket luck.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 09:35:25
September 27 2016 09:34 GMT
#57
On September 27 2016 17:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 17:43 Fango wrote:
On September 27 2016 17:27 Phredxor wrote:
On September 27 2016 16:30 Fango wrote:
What is this with putting Zest so low XD I know he's been sucking recently but is it really that bad? I mean you put him lower than Nerch and herO? Both of them are playing at a lower level. If he's at his best he wins this cup easily whereas most the other guys have no chance.

Lowest is Pet, MLord, Nerch, True, herO, and Neeb. These are the only guys with 0 win chance


I love Zest, but based on his last bunch of games he deserves his ranking.


Yh I know he's played awfully the past couple months but it's not like he's worse than herO or Nerchio by any means. He has a much better chance at winning than those guys. It's just a matter of time until his form bounces back again, once it does he'll probably win whatever we enters like before.

He played worse than herO for sure. Remember how herO won the GSL group Zest was eliminated in?


Zest lost to 2 cheeses from Ryung, I wouldn't even say herO played better dispite beating Ryung afterwoods. In a more standard PvT Zest and herO are both miles ahead of Ryung. honestly herO got to ro8 GSL with nothing but average plays.

Can you really imagine Zest losing to herO in a series? Hell any decent Protoss right now beats herO.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ioncreature
Profile Joined February 2016
18 Posts
September 27 2016 09:59 GMT
#58
Nerchio is #1
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 27 2016 10:33 GMT
#59
On September 27 2016 18:11 Die4Ever wrote:
Why is TRUE below Neeb and Nerchio when TRUE beasted through WCS and the NA qualifier both very easily? I mean Nerchio maybe, but Neeb?


Maybe because TRUE has 2-6 map score vs Neeb in 2016. Or because TRUE lost to Pokebunny? He went through the qualifiers well, but he has also dropped a number of sets to people he probably shouldn't. He lost 2-0 to Super in the Kespa Cup qualifiers.
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Tuckleberry
Profile Joined May 2015
21 Posts
September 27 2016 11:10 GMT
#60
Neeb 4-0? oooops...
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
September 27 2016 11:15 GMT
#61
On September 27 2016 09:20 Waxangel wrote:
I don't know guys, are you sure you know StarCraft ?

Literally nothing,
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
September 27 2016 11:18 GMT
#62
On September 27 2016 09:30 Vindicare605 wrote:
Nerchio ahead of Zest and Rogue is VERY generous lol.

I guess he does have a slightly easier group though so I guess it works out. Winners of Group A I think will be the heavy favorites to take the whole tournament.



I mean. Nerchio has beaten neeb ;D

so are you saying Neeb will win the whole thing?
TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 11:52:52
September 27 2016 11:51 GMT
#63

Didn't you hear? TRUE had bracket luck.


Lmao Snute, Harstem, and Polt.... lucky indeed :D
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
September 27 2016 12:29 GMT
#64
On September 27 2016 18:11 Die4Ever wrote:
Why is TRUE below Neeb and Nerchio when TRUE beasted through WCS and the NA qualifier both very easily? I mean Nerchio maybe, but Neeb?


True failed to qualify for Copa over NA players and he hasn't really shown much of worth since Montreal. I'd say TRUE is good, but he isn't "Best foreigner" good by a long shot.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 27 2016 13:06 GMT
#65
No love for Pet :/
gg no re thx
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2016 13:06 GMT
#66
On September 27 2016 22:06 RKC wrote:
No love for Pet :/

No extra points for being cute.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Raineeb
Profile Joined September 2016
Philippines39 Posts
September 27 2016 13:38 GMT
#67
ByuN might be No. 1 here but he just got eliminated by Zest in Group A a few hours ago! Respect for Neeb for beating Rogue and Zest without dropping a map! =)
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StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 14:42:18
September 27 2016 14:38 GMT
#68
who ever knows something about Gaussian normal distribution, sees that these powerrankings are arranged.
that does not make them wrong, necessarily. just saying...
Wallenberg
Profile Joined March 2016
203 Posts
September 27 2016 15:06 GMT
#69
Im so glad Zest was so happy again <3
MLuneth
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia557 Posts
September 27 2016 18:52 GMT
#70
so Byun dieing counts as TL prediction curse doesn't it?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2016 18:53 GMT
#71
If you approach it right anything can count as TL prediction curse.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 19:28:04
September 27 2016 19:22 GMT
#72
Byun is just overhyped
The stats mentioned in the power rank are mainly due to easy competition in online cups.

" His TvP prowess is off the charts; since the start of July, ByuN is 80-8 in the matchup"
This looks like he is some sort of god, but then you realize that a lot of his opponents are nonames (who the fuck is "gyulzzing") or "bad" players like Billowy, Tails, Seed, etc

So yeah Byun is good, but no he is not the god people think he is
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 19:29:14
September 27 2016 19:26 GMT
#73
On September 28 2016 04:22 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Byun is just overhyped
The stats mentioned in the power rank are mainly due to easy competition in online cups.

" His TvP prowess is off the charts; since the start of July, ByuN is 80-8 in the matchup"
This looks like he is some form of god, but then you realize that a lot of his opponents are nonames (who the fuck is "gyulzzing") or "bad" players like Billowy, Tails, Seed, etc

So yeah Byun is good, but no he is not the god people think he is

To be fair, he 4-1'd Dear and with that alone he's had no competitor for best TvP player in the past few months (in the same time frame Dear is 3-2 against TY, 3-0 against Maru and 4-2 against GuMiho).
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 27 2016 19:31 GMT
#74
Oh yeah sure not saying he isn't definitely up there. But the stats make it look way more impressive than it really is.
I wonder what would have happened if Zest won the PvP tbh, that would have been an interesting match to watch :/
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-27 19:35:02
September 27 2016 19:34 GMT
#75
On September 28 2016 04:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Oh yeah sure not saying he isn't definitely up there. But the stats make it look way more impressive than it really is.
I wonder what would have happened if Zest won the PvP tbh, that would have been an interesting match to watch :/

I think ByuN would have done a lot better against Neeb, at least from their most recent online matches. ByuN's style just seems to match well against Neeb's. But it would have been cool to see for sure. Not that what we got wasn't cool.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 27 2016 19:38 GMT
#76
I don't know whether to laugh or cry
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 27 2016 19:39 GMT
#77
On September 28 2016 04:38 Noonius wrote:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Maybe cry today, laugh tomorrow?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
September 27 2016 20:32 GMT
#78
On September 27 2016 09:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
A foreigner in top10 power rank? on teamliquid? Dreams are made of this

That was a long time ago since that happened...
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 28 2016 04:40 GMT
#79
On September 27 2016 15:22 Colouss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 15:14 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 27 2016 09:42 Nerchio wrote:
Everybody else in my group is higher than me, terrible power rank.

I can be #9, whatever, but patience/classic/maru need to be lower than #9


YOU need to be below Pet


Hey, Pet beat Dark so he clearly can beat Nerchio, right?


Which is why Nerchio should be ranked below him
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Vedeynevin
Profile Joined February 2015
United States431 Posts
September 28 2016 05:51 GMT
#80
On September 27 2016 16:30 Fango wrote:
What is this with putting Zest so low XD I know he's been sucking recently but is it really that bad? I mean you put him lower than Nerch and herO? Both of them are playing at a lower level. If he's at his best he wins this cup easily whereas most the other guys have no chance.

Lowest is Pet, MLord, Nerch, True, herO, and Neeb. These are the only guys with 0 win chance


What was that about neeb? XD
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
September 28 2016 06:46 GMT
#81
I love it when pros react to their placements in PowerRankings. I hope Nerchio shows up and make the TL writers feel embarrassed.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
September 28 2016 06:56 GMT
#82
Just to clarify this, we don't actually feel embarrassed if we're wrong. We laugh at people who claim to have known it better all along.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 28 2016 07:00 GMT
#83
On September 28 2016 05:32 Faefae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2016 09:34 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
A foreigner in top10 power rank? on teamliquid? Dreams are made of this

That was a long time ago since that happened...


Well to be fair, seeing as how foreigners make up 3/16 of the available spots, it's not too hard to be in the top ten of a power ranking (especially with players like Pet, True, and Trap ranked as they are).
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
September 28 2016 07:18 GMT
#84
On September 28 2016 15:56 Olli wrote:
Just to clarify this, we don't actually feel embarrassed if we're wrong. We laugh at people who claim to have known it better all along.

Dammit.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 09:59:11
September 28 2016 09:58 GMT
#85
who said Pet is the worst? :D
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
September 28 2016 11:26 GMT
#86
On September 28 2016 18:58 TheHumanLife wrote:
who said Pet is the worst? :D

Dark
WriterMaru
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
September 28 2016 12:01 GMT
#87
On September 28 2016 15:56 Olli wrote:
Just to clarify this, we don't actually feel embarrassed if we're wrong. We laugh at people who claim to have known it better all along.


Sorry but this sentence sounds so much like when you're in elementary school and everybody laughs at you and, with tear-filled eyes, you shout whatever comeback you can think of at the crowd before running to your teacher to seek comfort...

Anyway that's the rule of power ranks : make biased predication, brag when you're right, be laughed at when you're wrong, just embrace it, and laugh with us
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 12:20:31
September 28 2016 12:19 GMT
#88
What a silly argument. Any sort of player skill evaluation is, by definition, biased. Skill isn't something you can objectively measure. And it isn't like we all agreed on everything and rigged this ranking in favor of anyone. Each of us had their own ranking and we then put them together. This is the result.

So what if we're wrong? This is something to get the community interested in the event, and get people talking. That's the point. The point is not to be entirely correct and show that we know better. If it were, sure we'd be bragging about it. And we'd be embarrassed if we were wrong.

But there'll always be people commenting that don't get what this is about, you included. And that's laughable. Especially if those people show up afterwards. Knowing better in hindsight is not a skill.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
September 28 2016 12:22 GMT
#89
Is it possible to have an unofficial Power Rank on the general sc2 forum (reviewed beforehands) or it absolutely has to be put on blogs?
WriterMaru
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
September 28 2016 12:24 GMT
#90
There's a community PR in general I believe
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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
September 28 2016 12:35 GMT
#91
On September 28 2016 21:19 Olli wrote:
What a silly argument. Any sort of player skill evaluation is, by definition, biased. Skill isn't something you can objectively measure. And it isn't like we all agreed on everything and rigged this ranking in favor of anyone. Each of us had their own ranking and we then put them together. This is the result.

So what if we're wrong? This is something to get the community interested in the event, and get people talking. That's the point. The point is not to be entirely correct and show that we know better. If it were, sure we'd be bragging about it. And we'd be embarrassed if we were wrong.

But there'll always be people commenting that don't get what this is about, you included. And that's laughable. Especially if those people show up afterwards. Knowing better in hindsight is not a skill.



ROFL, it's not an argument : we agree

Ofc it's biased we all know it and that's why we love the power ranks, what are you even getting mad at? Every (e)sport discussion is biased, ever heard people talking about soccer???

Just chill out dude...

I mean if you can't relax and just take it easy, maybe it means you give more importance to this PR than you care to admit? I mean you can't be serious about a PR, can you???
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
September 28 2016 12:37 GMT
#92
That's why the above "laughing at hindsight" was a joke. A jab back at people jabbing us. It's all good fun.
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TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 12:46:49
September 28 2016 12:46 GMT
#93
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2016 18:58 TheHumanLife wrote:
who said Pet is the worst? :D


Dark


Sorry bro, but it's foreigners who underestimated Pet
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 28 2016 12:56 GMT
#94
I definitely feel more confident about Neeb's chances making the ro4. I don't know how Pet or Neeb will play, but I feel that Neeb's played harder zerg opponents over the last year than Pet has.

Also, depending on bracket luck, but I think that if Solar/Maru don't land on Neeb's side of the bracket, then he has a chance at getting ro4 and potentially even making the finals. Solar's looking really solid, and so I think he'll go out first in his group, but I don't know if Maru will make it out seeing as his performance against Protoss has been pretty lacklustre (53% winrate in LotV).

As for Protoss, I think Neeb has a decent chance against any of the Protoss left in the tournament. He may not win, but I don't think he's terribly disadvantaged against any of the remaining Protoss.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 28 2016 13:17 GMT
#95
Lets see if Solar can resist the curse.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 28 2016 13:30 GMT
#96
We can see if the TL power rank curse works on Neeb as he has been placed way too high compared to Pet.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Ciaus237
Profile Joined July 2015
South Africa281 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 13:46:56
September 28 2016 13:45 GMT
#97
On September 28 2016 22:30 Diabolique wrote:
We can see if the TL power rank curse works on Neeb as he has been placed way too high compared to Pet.


I thought the power rank was a predicted order of elimination thing :O
Hehehehe




(This is joke. I too thought herO would get out )
The time that we kill keeps us alive
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 28 2016 13:57 GMT
#98
On September 28 2016 22:45 Ciaus237 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2016 22:30 Diabolique wrote:
We can see if the TL power rank curse works on Neeb as he has been placed way too high compared to Pet.


I thought the power rank was a predicted order of elimination thing :O
Hehehehe




(This is joke. I too thought herO would get out )

We all thought herO would get out :-)
And I am sad that after Pet's plays against herO, the TY's amazing OP Mech and True's neural parasited Mothership, we do not have three players progressing today ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3830 Posts
September 28 2016 14:29 GMT
#99
pet at 16? seriously? aren't the editors supposed to catch stuff like this?

I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
September 28 2016 15:11 GMT
#100
I have a feeling Neeb might surprise and win his group.
I think esports is pretty nice.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 28 2016 15:36 GMT
#101
On September 28 2016 21:24 Olli wrote:
There's a community PR in general I believe

Yeah you are right i should do one of those again
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
September 28 2016 15:56 GMT
#102
Funny how the undisputed #16 in the PR is in the RO8 but the undisputed #1 isn't
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 16:12:20
September 28 2016 16:11 GMT
#103
On September 28 2016 15:56 Olli wrote:
Just to clarify this, we don't actually feel embarrassed if we're wrong. We laugh at people who claim to have known it better all along.

a tier list instead of a clear rank would be better imo and avoid the PR to be only a meme
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 28 2016 16:15 GMT
#104
On September 29 2016 01:11 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2016 15:56 Olli wrote:
Just to clarify this, we don't actually feel embarrassed if we're wrong. We laugh at people who claim to have known it better all along.

a tier list instead of a clear rank would be better imo and avoid the PR to be only a meme

No we need power ranks. Just because reality doesn't play out as the ranking doesn't mean the ranking wasn't good.
This isn't about making it out of groups, it's about the "best player".
Byun number one was the right choice, him losing against Zest doesn't change that
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
September 28 2016 17:34 GMT
#105
On September 29 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 01:11 Makro wrote:
On September 28 2016 15:56 Olli wrote:
Just to clarify this, we don't actually feel embarrassed if we're wrong. We laugh at people who claim to have known it better all along.

a tier list instead of a clear rank would be better imo and avoid the PR to be only a meme

No we need power ranks. Just because reality doesn't play out as the ranking doesn't mean the ranking wasn't good.
This isn't about making it out of groups, it's about the "best player".
Byun number one was the right choice, him losing against Zest doesn't change that

i agree, but was byun the most discussed one ?
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 28 2016 17:58 GMT
#106
Well this is a true TL powerrank now that #16 moved forward
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
September 28 2016 18:01 GMT
#107
On September 29 2016 01:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 01:11 Makro wrote:
On September 28 2016 15:56 Olli wrote:
Just to clarify this, we don't actually feel embarrassed if we're wrong. We laugh at people who claim to have known it better all along.

a tier list instead of a clear rank would be better imo and avoid the PR to be only a meme

No we need power ranks. Just because reality doesn't play out as the ranking doesn't mean the ranking wasn't good.
This isn't about making it out of groups, it's about the "best player".
Byun number one was the right choice, him losing against Zest doesn't change that

yea tiers wouldn't be nearly as fun, definitely enjoy the absolute rankings even if it only has a ~0.0001% chance of being "correct"
fuck the haters

btw, Pet is winning the tournament and Byun is out, your power rank sucks!
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
September 28 2016 20:26 GMT
#108
yeah I really don't understand why people rated herO so high

pet is lul
Writermaru pls
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 28 2016 20:31 GMT
#109
On September 29 2016 05:26 Soularion wrote:
yeah I really don't understand why people rated herO so high

pet is lul

Because he's herO and he got a lot of wins in Proleague or something. I dunno. He'd still have been in my top 10 but definitely lower.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
September 28 2016 21:10 GMT
#110
I heard from Pet's interview that herO hasn't practicing a lot lately, don't know why..
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-28 21:25:08
September 28 2016 21:23 GMT
#111
On September 29 2016 00:56 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Funny how the undisputed #16 in the PR is in the RO8 but the undisputed #1 isn't

Zest decided to have a good PvT again. He was playing badly this season but when you show such prowess (his PvT seemed reallyyy unbeatable in a series the first GSL), doing badly in GSL/SSL doesn't mean you'll perform equally as bad in things such as Kespa Cup.
He was definitely hard to rank.
Pet was a safe #16 but the favorites only win 2/3 of times, sometimes Pet have to win.
WriterMaru
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 28 2016 21:24 GMT
#112
On September 29 2016 06:10 TheHumanLife wrote:
I heard from Pet's interview that herO hasn't practicing a lot lately, don't know why..

Maybe herO is 424
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7306 Posts
September 29 2016 00:54 GMT
#113
Doesn't seem like Power Rankings to me, looks more like... uh, Powerless Rankings.

Don't worry, my trash talk will get better. Probably.
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Togekiss
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada154 Posts
September 29 2016 02:48 GMT
#114
ByuN top and Pet bottom.... hmmmm... something seems to have gone very very wrong already.
TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
September 29 2016 10:41 GMT
#115
well in sc2, there's no 100% guarantee such as best pro beat worst pro
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
September 30 2016 14:27 GMT
#116
On September 29 2016 19:41 TheHumanLife wrote:
well in sc2, there's no 100% guarantee such as best pro beat worst pro


nor should there be, that's the beauty of the game, right?
maru lover forever
ilililililililiii
Profile Joined October 2013
United States93 Posts
October 01 2016 12:57 GMT
#117
On September 27 2016 11:42 Soularion wrote:


Pet is horrible, Trap is weak, Rogue and Zest have both had very very middling form recently, while herO/patience are totally arguable - I just haven't seen enough from herO, and his decisive losses in the Ro8 of both GSLs are the main thing I've seen from his year.



apparently only a current champion will impress you lmao
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
October 01 2016 13:09 GMT
#118
On September 29 2016 06:10 TheHumanLife wrote:
I heard from Pet's interview that herO hasn't practicing a lot lately, don't know why..

Well ... I guess why ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
October 01 2016 14:11 GMT
#119
PR should be more based on 'results' (in the past year), rather than 'form' (in the past month or two). Especially since 'form' in SC2 fluctuates so much (Zest slumping in Season 2, and now Byun slumping too), and ' results' is based on a player's peak and consistency.

Zest is ranked too low in this PR. Terrible recent form? So what? That doesn't take away his strong performances and results in the first half of a year.

Djokovic has been slumping last few months. Doesn't mean he slides out of the Top 5 so abruptly.

(BTW, I mentioned this previously even before KeSPA Cup)
gg no re thx
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 01 2016 17:55 GMT
#120
On October 01 2016 23:11 RKC wrote:
PR should be more based on 'results' (in the past year), rather than 'form' (in the past month or two). Especially since 'form' in SC2 fluctuates so much (Zest slumping in Season 2, and now Byun slumping too), and ' results' is based on a player's peak and consistency.


Why is everyone saying Byun is slumping? I really don't get it. The only loses he's had recently are to Dark and Zest. Both of whom have litterally been the best of their races in LoTV. Against any other Zerg or Protoss Byun would have won both series.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 03 2016 10:39 GMT
#121
Finals are Rank 12 vs Rank 13

Good jobs boys
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
October 03 2016 10:45 GMT
#122
On October 03 2016 19:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Finals are Rank 12 vs Rank 13

Good jobs boys

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 03 2016 11:39 GMT
#123
Can we use your practice house cameras for the next ranking?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 03 2016 11:44 GMT
#124
On October 03 2016 20:39 Olli wrote:
Can we use your practice house cameras for the next ranking?

Getting baited easily after realizing pvp isn't random at all
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
October 04 2016 20:46 GMT
#125
So many people trolling the Power Rank... upsets happen.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would say during the Brood War Era that zerg player "Kwanro" was a top 5 zerg when he played... but he routinely made great runs in individual leagues because he loved cheese builds. Same thing with Pet. He was obviously the lowest rank player and cheesed his way into RO8. He almost cheesed Neeb OUT as well.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 07 2016 21:03 GMT
#126
lamo nice power rank tl xDDDDDDD
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Jesicaa
Profile Joined October 2016
4 Posts
October 13 2016 20:27 GMT
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