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Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
June 07 2016 22:49 GMT
#21
Thanks so much for the interview! Really glad to see MC competing again.
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
June 08 2016 01:20 GMT
#22
MC MC ALWAYS MC !!! xD
*burp*
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
June 08 2016 06:24 GMT
#23
MC!!!!!!!!
<3
Hope he can do well as a player again
Shadowbite
Profile Joined March 2012
United States16 Posts
June 08 2016 06:30 GMT
#24
What is meant by the term "runner" by south Koreans? I'm unfamiliar with the terminology. I wish MC much luck in his matches.
Zoodles11
Profile Joined April 2016
5 Posts
June 08 2016 06:38 GMT
#25
On June 08 2016 15:30 Shadowbite wrote:
What is meant by the term "runner" by south Koreans? I'm unfamiliar with the terminology. I wish MC much luck in his matches.

He "ran" away from the korean scene when he left korea to live and play with foreigners. Pretty dumb and arrogant to expect some odd loyalty or whatever.
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 08 2016 06:55 GMT
#26
On June 08 2016 15:38 Zoodles11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 15:30 Shadowbite wrote:
What is meant by the term "runner" by south Koreans? I'm unfamiliar with the terminology. I wish MC much luck in his matches.

He "ran" away from the korean scene when he left korea to live and play with foreigners. Pretty dumb and arrogant to expect some odd loyalty or whatever.

Well, that's Korean culture for ya.
warlocke
Profile Joined September 2015
97 Posts
June 08 2016 09:19 GMT
#27
either way just great have MC back in proleague, can't wait
an average player whom can only F2 + a-move
WhosQuany
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany257 Posts
June 08 2016 12:47 GMT
#28
gotta love MC BOSS TOSS IS BACK! thx for translation!
Goin back to Cali
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 08 2016 14:17 GMT
#29
On June 08 2016 15:55 swissman777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 15:38 Zoodles11 wrote:
On June 08 2016 15:30 Shadowbite wrote:
What is meant by the term "runner" by south Koreans? I'm unfamiliar with the terminology. I wish MC much luck in his matches.

He "ran" away from the korean scene when he left korea to live and play with foreigners. Pretty dumb and arrogant to expect some odd loyalty or whatever.

Well, that's Korean culture for ya.


The only thing MC ran from was inferior paychecks, guy ain't afraid of anything. Frankly I'm surprised he's so level about it, but then he was always at least partly an act.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
June 08 2016 14:30 GMT
#30
Once an MC fan always an MC fan :D
Revolutionist fan
zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
June 08 2016 14:33 GMT
#31
Great look into mc's mind there. I had no idea there were people who didn't like mc. Thanks for the translation and interview!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-08 15:00:13
June 08 2016 14:59 GMT
#32
The way I see it, the backlash against MC is because fans are used to the established progaming culture from 10+ years of Brood War. The Brood War scene evolved to be very sanitized and controlled, with pros rarely saying anything provocative while their public images were crafted by the teams and broadcasters. It's not just MC—a lot of fans have expressed disappointment in how old BW players act while streaming on Afreeca, without their KeSPA masks.

New esports like SC2, and especially LoL, have pushed the soft reset button on this kind of culture. Even so, there's still a lingering feeling that the ideal progamer is a consummate professional like Flash, rather than a maverick like MC.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 08 2016 19:20 GMT
#33
Not much of a story lol. I mean, he retired because he lost some passion and couldn't find a team then came back when he got an offer after trying to find a team again. Still, a good read, thanks.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
AKAvg
Profile Joined April 2014
Brazil298 Posts
June 08 2016 19:51 GMT
#34
I'm more interested to see what kind of effect MC has on the team as whole.
and BO1 like Proleague.

IMO having The Boss will help a great deal with that.
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
June 08 2016 22:48 GMT
#35
I for one am glad to see mc back at it.
"when life gives Hero lemons he makes carriers" -Artosis
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
June 08 2016 23:42 GMT
#36
Man mc is so awesome I hope he does well
can i get my estro logo back pls
OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
June 09 2016 00:28 GMT
#37
Sorry to burst the loyalty theory that some guy pulled out from his armpit, but "runner" is used in the fact that the player couldn't make money anymore in Korea, so he "ran" to other places for easy money. (e.g. NA and EU)
To explain the animosity we will have to go back to the old days with Kespa vs the newly founded eSports Federation, as well as BW vs SC2, as well as the SlayerS incident (Crank: What did you ever do for me!).

Many of the runners are from the E-Sports Federation, which SGall(the major community), hated because it was a BW community as well as it being very pro- BoxeR and Slayers. Its sense of superiority (Kespa> Federation) is heightened by the fact that the Federation failed to dominate the BW transitioned players from Kespa, even though they had much more experienced players.

PlayXP, on the other hand, tends to remain pro Federation, due to the fact that their SC/SC2 community was differentiated from each other, and don't often use the terminology 'runner'

Conclusion: don't try to explain what you don't understand
I am drone! My dream is Hatchery!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16949 Posts
June 09 2016 01:07 GMT
#38
On June 08 2016 23:17 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 15:55 swissman777 wrote:
On June 08 2016 15:38 Zoodles11 wrote:
On June 08 2016 15:30 Shadowbite wrote:
What is meant by the term "runner" by south Koreans? I'm unfamiliar with the terminology. I wish MC much luck in his matches.

He "ran" away from the korean scene when he left korea to live and play with foreigners. Pretty dumb and arrogant to expect some odd loyalty or whatever.

Well, that's Korean culture for ya.

The only thing MC ran from was inferior paychecks, guy ain't afraid of anything. Frankly I'm surprised he's so level about it, but then he was always at least partly an act.


the guy knows how to not take himself too seriously.
and he wins.
great to see MC back.

Just Win, Baby.
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NdieWarp
Profile Joined October 2014
Sweden8 Posts
June 09 2016 10:49 GMT
#39
On June 09 2016 09:28 RCCar wrote:
Sorry to burst the loyalty theory that some guy pulled out from his armpit, but "runner" is used in the fact that the player couldn't make money anymore in Korea, so he "ran" to other places for easy money. (e.g. NA and EU)
To explain the animosity we will have to go back to the old days with Kespa vs the newly founded eSports Federation, as well as BW vs SC2, as well as the SlayerS incident (Crank: What did you ever do for me!).

Many of the runners are from the E-Sports Federation, which SGall(the major community), hated because it was a BW community as well as it being very pro- BoxeR and Slayers. Its sense of superiority (Kespa> Federation) is heightened by the fact that the Federation failed to dominate the BW transitioned players from Kespa, even though they had much more experienced players.

PlayXP, on the other hand, tends to remain pro Federation, due to the fact that their SC/SC2 community was differentiated from each other, and don't often use the terminology 'runner'

Conclusion: don't try to explain what you don't understand


Well that is just as dumb, because he was top8(lost to the champion) in the gsl as well as top4(lost to the champion) in the first hots tourney(with quite alot of kespa in it)as well. So saying that he could not make money anymore in korea as he left is pretty dumb imo. The time were he slightly started to fall behind was when he lived in EU for a while.
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
June 09 2016 12:36 GMT
#40
I'm glad to see MC is back. He's the only Protoss I ever really was a fan of (not because "ProtossOP!1!", but because it's the least interesting race to watch IMO), though Zest has definitely been winning me over for a while now.
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