EPTByuN leaves X-Team - Page 6
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Toudeleski
United States66 Posts
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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laserroger
3 Posts
On May 27 2016 02:36 zealotstim wrote: We'll never really know what happened with his leaving the team. It sounds from the story that byun was unreasonable, but one can't be sure it takes all contextual information into account. No reason to look for someone to judge or blame. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/509574-translation-hello-this-is-byun Byun's version. Personal opinion: I like Byun the XTeam player rather than Byun, a good terran player. It's also what a lot of people in China think. Video games are being at a weird stage now in China. Most games are in a mode based on capital too much, especially LOL, the one attract most people, includes famous and rich guy's attention and interest. The rich guy, say Si-Chong Wang, the son of the richest people in China, usually pay a great deal of money to hire competitive players, strategical coaches. The price is much higher than in Korean. However, Starcraft is not in that list, for its potential audience is only, say 1/100, of other games, mainly due to the difficulty to start playing. Therefore, a merely good, or say, top 20 Starcraft player, would never be able to receive a contract from Douyu (no XTeam player besides SCBoy have the contract with Douyu)*. Douyu's contract includes passive income (mostly more than 2000 dollar per year), and additional fee, based on the audience's subscribe when streaming.** However, SCBoy team makes the Starcraft out of impassion. Douyu definitely wants to earn more money on the one hand, it has to make itself cover all the major games. That's the reason why Douyu need SCBoy, i.e., the XTeam, not to say that at the same time, SCBoy plays a significant role on organizing and arranging Starcraft games in China. Without SCBoy, the Starcraft part of Douyu would absolutely be a waste of invest. As for Byun's case, SCBoy and XTeam definitely paid him in a reasonable price. Every match he played, no matter win or lose (actually he rarely but indeed lose), SCBoy paid him. I think that's reasonable, and if the relationship continues that would benefit both Byun (earn per match, and earn from Douyu), and SCBoy (to be a strong team in League). His income would doubtlessly more than every real STAR PLAYER, say maru, Zest, Stats, Dark, sOs, etc. Of course, Byun has his idea, and it's somehow reasonable. Everyone in this world would expect to earn a stable income from where s/he belongs to (XTeam or other team) and additional income when serve to the audience (Douyu, twitch, u2b, afreeca or whatever streaming plat). I would not say some ridiculous words such as 'he is completely unaware of how SCBoy has helped him'. It's useless, and based on different point of view the whole thing could be understood differently. Anyway, Byun has left now. May he could perform good in future. However I would not want him back to China again, for it would be very embarrassing. * : Not to say Byun doesn't have a working visa in China, and therefore he cannot earn stable income. Whenever Douyu sets up the contract, Douyu actually succeeded to find a way to get him a working visa. This is not a simple task. **: For example, during the Kong Fu Cup final game, based on unofficial statistics, SCBoy channel received more than 3000 dollar within hours. | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On May 27 2016 01:47 Hider wrote: No he is not. He topped during LOTV beta/early release, but hasn't looked particularly strong post release. He just hasn't played enough games to drop further off. Top 5 SSL. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9424 Posts
What's your point? You think a top 5 placement in SSL justifies a top 3 ranking? | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
On May 27 2016 04:25 Hider wrote: What's your point? You think a top 5 placement in SSL justifies a top 3 ranking? It was in response to your "[he] hasn't looked particularly strong post release. " I think top 5 in a starleague implies that he's pretty strong. | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
The other issue is that byun doesn't understand the reason Douyu is willing to offer him a contract is he is a member of XTeam. Nobody will watch his stream if he is not a XTeam member. Maybe byun believes that he is popular because he has won many games, but it is not. As an outsider to the Chinese scene, he may not notice the popularity of xteam in China. | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
On May 27 2016 04:56 rednusa wrote: It was in response to your "[he] hasn't looked particularly strong post release. " I think top 5 in a starleague implies that he's pretty strong. He lost in Code A around the same time and the player field in SSL was pretty weak. That top 6 in SSL doesn't really say much. RagnaroK and Patience were up there, too. His online performance is still pretty solid though. | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
On May 27 2016 05:21 swissman777 wrote: Why does Byun hate proleague? Looking at the comments on this page(http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=starcraft_new&no=4435222&page=1&recommend=1) gives me the impression that he doesn't mind proleague but there's a problem with 오퍼. I don't knwo what that means tho. Has Byun even played a single game in Proleague? | ||
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Elentos
55566 Posts
On May 27 2016 05:21 swissman777 wrote: Why does Byun hate proleague? Looking at the comments on this page(http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=starcraft_new&no=4435222&page=1&recommend=1) gives me the impression that he doesn't mind proleague but there's a problem with 오퍼. I don't knwo what that means tho. Well the translated version of ByuN's statement is in the OP and apparently he says he wants to join a Proleague team and has no offers yet. On May 27 2016 05:24 Brutaxilos wrote: Has Byun even played a single game in Proleague? No. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9424 Posts
On May 27 2016 04:56 rednusa wrote: It was in response to your "[he] hasn't looked particularly strong post release. " I think top 5 in a starleague implies that he's pretty strong. And that was in response to him being classified as top 3 player/ucomming talent. I probably rate him between 8-15, and I don't think he will get better. | ||
munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On May 27 2016 04:56 rednusa wrote: It was in response to your "[he] hasn't looked particularly strong post release. " I think top 5 in a starleague implies that he's pretty strong. SSL S1 was a joke of a competition really due to the qualifying system. ByuN's run was 2-0 soO, 1-3 RagnaroK, 2-1 Hurricane, 3-0 aLive, 2-3 Stats The win over aLive and the loss to Stats are the only notable results there. aLive's TvT looks weak, although ByuN did play pretty well iirc, while Stats bossed their match and should have won much more convincingly. Dark and Stats are the only 2 players who emerged from the season with any real credit | ||
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Tinko
China1 Post
X-Team.ByuN : Good, we'd like to contact him. ByuN : Who's that? Douyu prepared the contract only because at that time he was a X-Team member. Once he leaves X-Team, ByuN means nothing to Douyu. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
The real problem is that he did not know, that the conditions of PartinG were very special and that Doyu learned that what they have done for PartinG was not economically viable for another player from their side, so they did not offer the same conditions to ByuN. If they explained that to ByuN, he would probably understand that, but this way, he just felt as a misused player, who has been offered much worse conditions that the standard was. If there was some kind of communication between the parties, honesty with explanations and trying to understand the other side, they could have found a solution. But it seems more like being a fight than trying to find a solution. Well, what can be done? Now, X-team will lose all their matches and ByuN will be unemployed. I still see that as a better solution than being in a business relationship that both parties consider as disadvantageous and where they would be dissatisfied with the deal. I just wish, CJ would actually consider not to disband their SC2 team and in addition to the retiring MC for one season would consider hiring a great Terran as a replacement for Bbyong at least for the whole 2017. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On May 27 2016 10:41 Diabolique wrote: I really feel sorry for ByuN, after reading his translated statement and before the one sided explanation of X-team. He did not like the condition "You must be the member of X-team and for this, you will have no salary, but you can stream and you will receive money for streaming". That kind of deal looks weird and it definitely is not in line with what X team claims to have done. Also the problems with the translation of contract, it seems completely understandable that he did not like the situation. The real problem is that he did not know, that the conditions of PartinG were very special and that Doyu learned that what they have done for PartinG was not economically viable for another player from their side, so they did not offer the same conditions to ByuN. If they explained that to ByuN, he would probably understand that, but this way, he just felt as a misused player, who has been offered much worse conditions that the standard was. If there was some kind of communication between the parties, honesty with explanations and trying to understand the other side, they could have found a solution. But it seems more like being a fight than trying to find a solution. Well, what can be done? Now, X-team will lose all their matches and ByuN will be unemployed. I still see that as a better solution than being in a business relationship that both parties consider as disadvantageous and where they would be dissatisfied with the deal. I just wish, CJ would actually consider not to disband their SC2 team and in addition to the retiring MC for one season would consider hiring a great Terran as a replacement for Bbyong at least for the whole 2017. Is there a source of them saying they're considering disbanding? | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On May 27 2016 10:46 chipmonklord17 wrote: Is there a source of them saying they're considering disbanding? No. That is only what I think taking into account what has happened this year. They played the whole season 2 with insufficient number of players and did not hire even some newbie player as a replacement. The fact that they have hired MC now looks great, but I am afraid, it is only for the third season until end of 2016, which is a good deal for MC, it also wins a lot of fans for CJ, but it still gives them the possibility to terminate that at the end of the year. If they hired ByuN, a player, who does not intend to retire after the season, that would be a sign for me, that they might keep the team. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
I think you're reaching here. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On May 27 2016 11:01 Phredxor wrote: Why would they bother hiring MC if they were going to disband at end of year? I think you're reaching here. A great deal for one season. Great for MC, great for CJ. MC postpones his retirement by a few months, CJ finish this year's competition with a reasonable number of players and much higher popularity. | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
xiaose's story on the contract issues: 1) it is douyu's idea to have the contract mandating him staying on X-Team, to them XT.Byun is valuable, whateverelse.Byun is not. 2) it seems there is a communication issue between Byun, XTeam and Douyu, not sure if it is the translator's fault, Byun's initial requested figure isn't far from acceptable numbers, but the number Douyu received end up being double the figure for whatever reason. My personal take on the entire thing base on what I know: It isn't necessarily either XTeam (xiaose and F91) or Byun's fault. To X-Team, after the success of bringing Byun on board, naturally you want to extend the partnership, while also provide the player compensation with their ties to douyu. Again, for douyu only XT.Byun is valuable, whateverelse.Byun is not, so asking/requiring Byun to stay on XTeam is what they want, is that reasonable? Yes. Can Byun turn that down? Of course he has the rightful reason to because that is not the norm. While on Byun's side, he just went through some tough years of his career, now that he suddenly became one of the most popular Korean players in the Chinese scene, him wanting some paygrade to match his reputation is not a far stretch. And as a teamless player, money could be an issue. Problem is, either from poor communication caused by language barrier, or culture differences, both parties have different expectations towards each other. XTeam out of good will, thinks he might return the favor, Byun out of his good skill and results, expected bigger fame and fortune. When things doesn't match, friction happens. | ||
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