Offline qualifiers for 2016 GSL Season 2 Code A will be held on May 11th
Priority will be given to these players in sequential order: 1. KeSPA Players, Pro League Players 2. Masters/Grandmaster league players (Any Region)
Code A Qualifiers Application Period: - May 3rd, 2016 ~ May 8th, 2016 Sunday 23:59PM (KST)
Code A Qualifiers Offline Event: - May 11th(Wed) 2016 (KST)
Location: Z: PC Bang, Hong Dae, Seoul
Participation Requirements: - Must be at least 12 years old - Need to have a SC2 Battle.net account (cannot use your family's or friends' accounts) - Masters/Grandmaster league players (Any Region)
Match Format: - Bo3 (2 wins to advance)
Map Pool - Dusk Towers - Orbital Shipyard - Lerilak Crest
Please send the following information to gsl@afreecatv.com for your application. - Full Name: - Birth date: - Country: - Phone Number and Skype ID: - Battle.Net SCII Account: - Ladder Score: - StarCraft II Character Name: - Team: - Race: - Email address:
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at gsl@afreecatv.com
Super hyped, should be even better than the season 1 qualifiers I think. I really want to know if JD still plays sc2 and hope Scarlett and Noregret can make Code A.
Because the losers of RO16 of GSL season 1 fell to code A
16 from Ro32+8 from Ro16=24. Each of them should face someone from the preliminaries unless they changed the format. + Show Spoiler +
Please change the format. One Bo5 deciding someone's fate for the next EIGHT MONTHS is absurd. One bad draw and you're done. Maru is at least a Ro8 player and he got completely screwed by getting the eventual champion Zest in Code A.
Because the losers of RO16 of GSL season 1 fell to code A
Doesn't matter, they're all from Code S. If top 8 are seeded to season 2 Code S, then there will be 24 player in season 2 Code A already, which means if we only select 16 players from season 2 qualifier, then we have to select 24 season 2 Code S players out from 40 Code A players?
Because the losers of RO16 of GSL season 1 fell to code A
16 from Ro32+8 from Ro16=24. Each of them should face someone from the preliminaries unless they changed the format. + Show Spoiler +
Please change the format. One Bo5 deciding someone's fate for the next EIGHT MONTHS is absurd. One bad draw and you're done. Maru is at least a Ro8 player and he got completely screwed by getting the eventual champion Zest in Code A.
Even they changed format, how can they choose 24 Code S players out from 40 Code A players
And let me remind you guys who will be in this qualifier, sos, byul, gumiho, stats, ragnarok, impact, bomber, patience, keen, reality, jjakji, byun, maru, hyun, true, innovation, and maybe jaedong, marineking and parting? Isn't the "line-up" already look like GSL Code S
On May 09 2016 09:33 Alarak89 wrote: And let me remind you guys who will be in this qualifier, sos, byul, gumiho, stats, ragnarok, impact, bomber, patience, keen, reality, jjakji, byun, maru, hyun, true, innovation, and maybe jaedong, marineking and parting? Isn't the "line-up" already look like GSL Code S
Your dated romanticizing is cute. Much of your list is irrelevant other than in name.
On May 08 2016 21:51 brickrd wrote: in reality there's no way JD even qualifies, but in magical candy world JD winning GSL would be the kind of thing starcraft desperately needs
lol he qualified for code a last season and then only lost 2:3 after being up 2:0. get your facts straight before you hate man
On May 09 2016 09:33 Alarak89 wrote: And let me remind you guys who will be in this qualifier, sos, byul, gumiho, stats, ragnarok, impact, bomber, patience, keen, reality, jjakji, byun, maru, hyun, true, innovation, and maybe jaedong, marineking and parting? Isn't the "line-up" already look like GSL Code S
Your dated romanticizing is cute. Much of your list is irrelevant other than in name.
Roflmao, the only irrelevant name on that list is MK_, Jaedong and PartinG are in the "mystery" category just as the original post says.
I wonder how many players in the world that can be "relevant" at the same time in your world. Maybe only round of 4 in GSL? That would make all the round of 4 players in SSL irrelevant btw.
On May 09 2016 09:33 Alarak89 wrote: And let me remind you guys who will be in this qualifier, sos, byul, gumiho, stats, ragnarok, impact, bomber, patience, keen, reality, jjakji, byun, maru, hyun, true, innovation, and maybe jaedong, marineking and parting? Isn't the "line-up" already look like GSL Code S
Your dated romanticizing is cute. Much of your list is irrelevant other than in name.
Roflmao, the only irrelevant name on that list is MK_, Jaedong and PartinG are in the "mystery" category just as the original post says.
I wonder how many players in the world that can be "relevant" at the same time in your world. Maybe only round of 4 in GSL? That would make all the round of 4 players in SSL irrelevant btw.
So you're saying RagnaroK, Impact, KeeN, jjakji and TRUE are relevant players right now?
On May 09 2016 09:33 Alarak89 wrote: And let me remind you guys who will be in this qualifier, sos, byul, gumiho, stats, ragnarok, impact, bomber, patience, keen, reality, jjakji, byun, maru, hyun, true, innovation, and maybe jaedong, marineking and parting? Isn't the "line-up" already look like GSL Code S
Your dated romanticizing is cute. Much of your list is irrelevant other than in name.
Roflmao, the only irrelevant name on that list is MK_, Jaedong and PartinG are in the "mystery" category just as the original post says.
I wonder how many players in the world that can be "relevant" at the same time in your world. Maybe only round of 4 in GSL? That would make all the round of 4 players in SSL irrelevant btw.
I am a big JD fan, but tbh i can see where orr is coming from. At the end of the day you are pretty "irrelevant" if you don't play in proleague and don't make it far in gsl/ssl either.
On May 09 2016 09:33 Alarak89 wrote: And let me remind you guys who will be in this qualifier, sos, byul, gumiho, stats, ragnarok, impact, bomber, patience, keen, reality, jjakji, byun, maru, hyun, true, innovation, and maybe jaedong, marineking and parting? Isn't the "line-up" already look like GSL Code S
Your dated romanticizing is cute. Much of your list is irrelevant other than in name.
Roflmao, the only irrelevant name on that list is MK_, Jaedong and PartinG are in the "mystery" category just as the original post says.
I wonder how many players in the world that can be "relevant" at the same time in your world. Maybe only round of 4 in GSL? That would make all the round of 4 players in SSL irrelevant btw.
So you're saying RagnaroK, Impact, KeeN, jjakji and TRUE are relevant players right now?
Assuming we are only talking about current relevant competetive, Ragnarok got like top6 in ssl, and even though Keen, Impact and jjakji have not gotten high finishes, they are on kespa teams and have been fielded in pl as well. I would consider that quite relevant for a starcraft pro.
On May 09 2016 09:33 Alarak89 wrote: And let me remind you guys who will be in this qualifier, sos, byul, gumiho, stats, ragnarok, impact, bomber, patience, keen, reality, jjakji, byun, maru, hyun, true, innovation, and maybe jaedong, marineking and parting? Isn't the "line-up" already look like GSL Code S
Your dated romanticizing is cute. Much of your list is irrelevant other than in name.
Roflmao, the only irrelevant name on that list is MK_, Jaedong and PartinG are in the "mystery" category just as the original post says.
I wonder how many players in the world that can be "relevant" at the same time in your world. Maybe only round of 4 in GSL? That would make all the round of 4 players in SSL irrelevant btw.
So you're saying RagnaroK, Impact, KeeN, jjakji and TRUE are relevant players right now?
On May 10 2016 01:45 rednusa wrote: What is the definition of a KeSPA player?
A player who is on a kespa team, but because of the restriction on the number of players a team can have in proleague isn't on their roster for it. At least that's what I assume as they specify KeSPA and proleague players as separate. All proleague players are KeSPA players but not all KeSPA players are proleague players
On May 09 2016 09:33 Alarak89 wrote: And let me remind you guys who will be in this qualifier, sos, byul, gumiho, stats, ragnarok, impact, bomber, patience, keen, reality, jjakji, byun, maru, hyun, true, innovation, and maybe jaedong, marineking and parting? Isn't the "line-up" already look like GSL Code S
Your dated romanticizing is cute. Much of your list is irrelevant other than in name.
Roflmao, the only irrelevant name on that list is MK_, Jaedong and PartinG are in the "mystery" category just as the original post says.
I wonder how many players in the world that can be "relevant" at the same time in your world. Maybe only round of 4 in GSL? That would make all the round of 4 players in SSL irrelevant btw.
So you're saying RagnaroK, Impact, KeeN, jjakji and TRUE are relevant players right now?
Assuming we are only talking about current relevant competetive, Ragnarok got like top6 in ssl, and even though Keen, Impact and jjakji have not gotten high finishes, they are on kespa teams and have been fielded in pl as well. I would consider that quite relevant for a starcraft pro.
And I wouldn't. So there. For me, RagnaroK is on the fringe of being relevant, but it looks like his SSL run was mostly a fluke. I can't consider someone like Impact who almost never plays official matches "relevant".
On May 10 2016 01:45 rednusa wrote: What is the definition of a KeSPA player?
A player who is on a kespa team, but because of the restriction on the number of players a team can have in proleague isn't on their roster for it. At least that's what I assume as they specify KeSPA and proleague players as separate. All proleague players are KeSPA players but not all KeSPA players are proleague players
I was reading some reddit post on KeSPA salaries. Apparently, there are only 25 players on KeSPA salaries:
On May 10 2016 01:45 rednusa wrote: What is the definition of a KeSPA player?
A player who is on a kespa team, but because of the restriction on the number of players a team can have in proleague isn't on their roster for it. At least that's what I assume as they specify KeSPA and proleague players as separate. All proleague players are KeSPA players but not all KeSPA players are proleague players
I was reading some reddit post on KeSPA salaries. Apparently, there are only 25 players on KeSPA salaries:
I think, they mentioned something about commenting the results tomorrow on Twitter. But somehow, they said also something about some potential stream. Does anyone know it? Might there be also some stream tomorrow morning or afternoon?
On May 11 2016 09:40 gerardo19908 wrote: is there a kr stream for the games?
There's never been official streams for GSL qualifiers. Closest we've ever got is Khaldor going there and soloing a production or Wolf's ghetto radio cast
On May 11 2016 11:57 Shellshock wrote: no double elim final 4 this time? so far I see TANGTANG 2-0 Shine Choya 2-0 RohYa Hurricane 2-0 iCON Mamuri no show
On May 11 2016 11:57 Shellshock wrote: no double elim final 4 this time? so far I see TANGTANG 2-0 Shine Choya 2-0 RohYa Hurricane 2-0 iCON Mamuri no show
They got rid of the double elim part?
I guess they are just doing 1 qualified per bracket this time or the LB isn't on the challonge links
On May 11 2016 11:57 Shellshock wrote: no double elim final 4 this time? so far I see TANGTANG 2-0 Shine Choya 2-0 RohYa Hurricane 2-0 iCON Mamuri no show
They got rid of the double elim part?
I guess they are just doing 1 qualified per bracket this time or the LB isn't on the challonge links
But if 24 players qualify there's only 6 brackets currently running. Unless they're doing two morning and two afternoon sessions. I forget if that's normal
On May 11 2016 12:01 Shellshock wrote: Pet 2-0 chaos
On May 11 2016 12:01 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 11 2016 11:57 Shellshock wrote: no double elim final 4 this time? so far I see TANGTANG 2-0 Shine Choya 2-0 RohYa Hurricane 2-0 iCON Mamuri no show
They got rid of the double elim part?
I guess they are just doing 1 qualified per bracket this time or the LB isn't on the challonge links
But if 24 players qualify there's only 6 brackets currently running. Unless they're doing two morning and two afternoon sessions. I forget if that's normal
On May 11 2016 12:34 Alarak89 wrote: So all six groups have loser's brackets, is that right?
If you win the first match. The semi-finals losers play each other for 3rd spot I believe.
Assuming the same number of people go through the morning session as the afternoon session 3 spots in a bracket is impossible as 6x3x2 =/= 24 people going into code A
On May 11 2016 12:34 Alarak89 wrote: So all six groups have loser's brackets, is that right?
If you win the first match. The semi-finals losers play each other for 3rd spot I believe.
Yeah, and then the "3rd spot" player will play with the loser of the final match, otherwise I don't see how they can select 12 players in the morning section
Wolf's periscope is oddly thrilling, despite him being unable to commentate or anything as he doesn't want to disturb the players. Very minimalist. Just the player and the game.
On May 11 2016 12:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Also shouldn't they be looking for 25 players as Bbyong should be one of the 24 players in code A right now?
Bbyong hasn't been banned yet. If he's banned between now and when Code A starts they will probably do a replacement tournament.
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That still doesn't explain if the top 2 advance or if we have four sessions. Also why would the wildcard spot be only for AM people? Doesn't that fuck over the people randomly put in the afternoon session
That still doesn't explain if the top 2 advance or if we have four sessions. Also why would the wildcard spot be only for AM people? Doesn't that fuck over the people randomly put in the afternoon session
EDIT: Also is State there?
State is probably still in the US/travelling because of DH Austin
On May 11 2016 14:39 Wolf wrote: kenzi told me that Jaedong is currently not signed up for the SSL qualifiers either. No Jaedong games in Korea this year.
Which basically means no JD games at all ths year, at least no offline ones. Afreeca here we come?
On May 11 2016 14:39 Wolf wrote: kenzi told me that Jaedong is currently not signed up for the SSL qualifiers either. No Jaedong games in Korea this year.
On May 11 2016 14:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No JD in afternoon qualifiers.
What is he up to?
Oh man he really retires i guess Too bad
On May 11 2016 14:38 ZombieGrub wrote:
On May 11 2016 14:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No JD in afternoon qualifiers.
What is he up to?
Who do I cheer for anymore ):
Just cheer for Zest.
I mean, sure, just to see him, but..JD was my last 'if this player gets knocked out I will literally not care anymore' player T_T
Who were the others? I am curious :D
And yeah JD probably not playing sc2 anymore sucks, but it was expected, he wasn't all that relevant the last x months (well in code a he had a chance against leenock, but overall i mean) Let's hope he streams some bw at least
On May 11 2016 14:45 Shellshock wrote: and TANGTANG already out in the wildcard bracket 0-2 to Keen
Wait they're starting the wildcard bracket now? Doesn't that seriously fuck over the people who were in the afternoon group
The people in the morning group get screwed too because they have to wait hours before the afternoon groups wrap up.
I think we're talking about two different situations. Are they just doing half of the wildcard bracket now and waiting on the other half after the afternoon groups? I had originally assumed they were just doing wildcards based on the morning group where I assume you're (correctly) assuming they're just doing half of it now
On May 11 2016 14:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No JD in afternoon qualifiers.
What is he up to?
Oh man he really retires i guess Too bad
On May 11 2016 14:38 ZombieGrub wrote:
On May 11 2016 14:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No JD in afternoon qualifiers.
What is he up to?
Who do I cheer for anymore ):
Just cheer for Zest.
I mean, sure, just to see him, but..JD was my last 'if this player gets knocked out I will literally not care anymore' player T_T
Who were the others? I am curious :D
And yeah JD probably not playing sc2 anymore sucks, but it was expected, he wasn't all that relevant the last x months (well in code a he had a chance against leenock, but overall i mean) Let's hope he streams some bw at least
Uhhm...idra, boxer, DRG, MVP, Bomber, Leenock, all of SlayerS? I think for a time even Parting was on the list. As you can see it's not even that everyone is retired, I just don't have that #passion T_T
On May 11 2016 14:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No JD in afternoon qualifiers.
What is he up to?
Oh man he really retires i guess Too bad
On May 11 2016 14:38 ZombieGrub wrote:
On May 11 2016 14:35 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: No JD in afternoon qualifiers.
What is he up to?
Who do I cheer for anymore ):
Just cheer for Zest.
I mean, sure, just to see him, but..JD was my last 'if this player gets knocked out I will literally not care anymore' player T_T
Who were the others? I am curious :D
And yeah JD probably not playing sc2 anymore sucks, but it was expected, he wasn't all that relevant the last x months (well in code a he had a chance against leenock, but overall i mean) Let's hope he streams some bw at least
Uhhm...idra, boxer, DRG, MVP, Bomber, Leenock, all of SlayerS? I think for a time even Parting was on the list. As you can see it's not even that everyone is retired, I just don't have that #passion T_T
NoRegret has given me permission to stream his games. Still waiting on Scarlett's, but if she does give permission, I'll give her priority. Either way, it'll go live in about ten minutes.
On May 11 2016 15:28 Ej_ wrote: haha noregret got pretty rekt if you ask me
Honestly if he stood any chance at all (idk how good he's been) Dragon would be an easy opponent, he'd lose to stats, and then Bomber/MK aren't exactly in their primes. Its certainly not impossible to go
how long would it take for barcode and Adun to finish their match? has been like over 1 hour right? are they sure they are not playing Heart of the Swarm?
On May 11 2016 16:31 KingofdaHipHop wrote: damn imagine if NoRegret won that series
Honestly it might be better if he didn't. Getting lucky and beating stats then losing to bomber then to a rematch with stats sounds much more likely than just beating mk then beating bomber after stats gets out.
On May 11 2016 16:32 NinjaToss wrote: how long would it take for barcode and Adun to finish their match? has been like over 1 hour right? are they sure they are not playing Heart of the Swarm?
It'd be great to know, wouldn't it? Really is a shame they don't stream these matches so we could know...
On May 11 2016 16:32 NinjaToss wrote: how long would it take for barcode and Adun to finish their match? has been like over 1 hour right? are they sure they are not playing Heart of the Swarm?
Lotv has a lot of stalemate potential too. Especially tvz
On May 11 2016 16:31 KingofdaHipHop wrote: damn imagine if NoRegret won that series
Honestly it might be better if he didn't. Getting lucky and beating stats then losing to bomber then to a rematch with stats sounds much more likely than just beating mk then beating bomber after stats gets out.
In both scenarios he'd need to beat bomber so there's basically no difference
Scarlett eliminated the last non-KeSPA player so Wolf got shut down
Theres still losers bracket
Loser's bracket doesn't start until the round scarlett is currently in, meaning liberty is out of the qualifier. And Byun/Parting being in is irrelevant as they'll still be playing exclusively kespa players
On May 11 2016 16:31 KingofdaHipHop wrote: damn imagine if NoRegret won that series
Honestly it might be better if he didn't. Getting lucky and beating stats then losing to bomber then to a rematch with stats sounds much more likely than just beating mk then beating bomber after stats gets out.
think about what u just said and why it makes no sense
On May 11 2016 16:31 KingofdaHipHop wrote: damn imagine if NoRegret won that series
Honestly it might be better if he didn't. Getting lucky and beating stats then losing to bomber then to a rematch with stats sounds much more likely than just beating mk then beating bomber after stats gets out.
think about what u just said and why it makes no sense
As someone who is the massive underdog you don't want to fight the favorited player twice. The most likely outcome of beating stats once is getting to bomber then having to replay stats. When you have to win two of three matches and are the underdog having the highly favorited player out of the group makes your life easier
On May 11 2016 17:31 Diabolique wrote: btw - anybody has heard anything about a KESPA cup or something similar? Weird, this is not happening between the two seasons of GSL / SSL ...
On May 11 2016 17:31 Diabolique wrote: btw - anybody has heard anything about a KESPA cup or something similar? Weird, this is not happening between the two seasons of GSL / SSL ...
Well I think he meant an open tournament like the hot6 or KeSPA cup. Cross season finals area neat, but basically just showmatches. I don't think anything has been announced.
On May 11 2016 17:31 Diabolique wrote: btw - anybody has heard anything about a KESPA cup or something similar? Weird, this is not happening between the two seasons of GSL / SSL ...
There was supposed to be one this month according to Kenzi:
On May 11 2016 17:31 Diabolique wrote: btw - anybody has heard anything about a KESPA cup or something similar? Weird, this is not happening between the two seasons of GSL / SSL ...
That is cross finals. That has nothing to do with Kespa cup. I am looking for a "third competition" for players, who lost soon in the season 1 of both GSL/SSL, Maru, sOs and other ones. If I remember correctly, they were promising two seasons of GSL/SSL and a KESPA cup?
On May 11 2016 17:31 Diabolique wrote: btw - anybody has heard anything about a KESPA cup or something similar? Weird, this is not happening between the two seasons of GSL / SSL ...
There was supposed to be one this month according to Kenzi:
On May 11 2016 17:31 Diabolique wrote: btw - anybody has heard anything about a KESPA cup or something similar? Weird, this is not happening between the two seasons of GSL / SSL ...
There was supposed to be one this month according to Kenzi:
On May 11 2016 18:10 Inflicted wrote: Sorry > PartinG and qualifies noooooo.............
Ouch. Didn't he beat Sorry earlier and someone declared him 'back'?
Dark vs Inno. Shiiit. I wonder if Dark will throw so Inno gets a chance to make Blizzcon since Dark is already qualified. Though people are saying his ZvT isn't very good anyways.
On May 11 2016 18:22 Phredxor wrote: Dark vs Inno. Shiiit. I wonder if Dark will throw so Inno gets a chance to make Blizzcon since Dark is already qualified. Though people are saying his ZvT isn't very good anyways.
On May 11 2016 18:13 deus.machinarum wrote: I don't really get how there are so many BYEs and no-shows...I mean come on, this is for Code A!
Can't believe there's no crowd of young, up and coming koreans trying to qualify.
Count how much of this young Koreans actually qualify and you will understand why there is so many no-shows. Korean scene could really use Code A of old, a tournament for semi-pro/lower tier pro players.
On May 11 2016 18:22 Phredxor wrote: Dark vs Inno. Shiiit. I wonder if Dark will throw so Inno gets a chance to make Blizzcon since Dark is already qualified. Though people are saying his ZvT isn't very good anyways.
Wouldn't that be against Blizzard rules?
Oh for sure. He would never do it. Dark has no problem beating his teammates down as he said during GSL RO16.
Just means if Inno loses vs Dark he only has next SSL to get points.
On May 11 2016 18:22 Phredxor wrote: Dark vs Inno. Shiiit. I wonder if Dark will throw so Inno gets a chance to make Blizzcon since Dark is already qualified. Though people are saying his ZvT isn't very good anyways.
Wouldn't that be against Blizzard rules?
Oh for sure. He would never do it. Dark has no problem beating his teammates down as he said during GSL RO16.
Just means if Inno loses vs Dark he only has next SSL to get points.
Since they're both on SKT, couldn't the coaches instruct Inno to use a strategy that is countered by the strategy Dark has been instructed to use?
On May 11 2016 18:13 deus.machinarum wrote: I don't really get how there are so many BYEs and no-shows...I mean come on, this is for Code A!
Can't believe there's no crowd of young, up and coming koreans trying to qualify.
Count how much of this young Koreans actually qualify and you will understand why there is so many no-shows. Korean scene could really use Code A of old, a tournament for semi-pro/lower tier pro players.
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning...I do totally get that the chances of qualifying for any given good-but-not-quite-pro-tier player are slim to none given that so many established pros also play in the qualifiers but how does that lead to not even trying? Unless there's a huge cost to signing up, travelling to Seoul etc that I'm not aware of? (Even worse IMHO is to actually sign up and then no-show but that's a different discussion I guess)
EDIT: not trying to blame or shit talk specific korean players, just genuinely curious
On May 11 2016 18:22 Phredxor wrote: Dark vs Inno. Shiiit. I wonder if Dark will throw so Inno gets a chance to make Blizzcon since Dark is already qualified. Though people are saying his ZvT isn't very good anyways.
Wouldn't that be against Blizzard rules?
Not if he forfeited beforehand. Inno would probably get a weaker opponent then.
On May 11 2016 18:13 deus.machinarum wrote: I don't really get how there are so many BYEs and no-shows...I mean come on, this is for Code A!
Can't believe there's no crowd of young, up and coming koreans trying to qualify.
Count how much of this young Koreans actually qualify and you will understand why there is so many no-shows. Korean scene could really use Code A of old, a tournament for semi-pro/lower tier pro players.
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning...I do totally get that the chances of qualifying for any given good-but-not-quite-pro-tier player are slim to none given that so many established pros also play in the qualifiers but how does that lead to not even trying? Unless there's a huge cost to signing up, travelling to Seoul etc that I'm not aware of? (Even worse IMHO is to actually sign up and then no-show but that's a different discussion I guess)
EDIT: not trying to blame or shit talk specific korean players, just genuinely curious
I think, it's a question of prestige. Why should I get rekt for nothing in current Code A format, while the old format provided fame and interest of teams and tournament organizers (even some prizemoney) even if you got knocked out in quarter finals. or just barely didn't make it out of your group.
On May 11 2016 18:13 deus.machinarum wrote: I don't really get how there are so many BYEs and no-shows...I mean come on, this is for Code A!
Can't believe there's no crowd of young, up and coming koreans trying to qualify.
Count how much of this young Koreans actually qualify and you will understand why there is so many no-shows. Korean scene could really use Code A of old, a tournament for semi-pro/lower tier pro players.
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning...I do totally get that the chances of qualifying for any given good-but-not-quite-pro-tier player are slim to none given that so many established pros also play in the qualifiers but how does that lead to not even trying? Unless there's a huge cost to signing up, travelling to Seoul etc that I'm not aware of? (Even worse IMHO is to actually sign up and then no-show but that's a different discussion I guess)
EDIT: not trying to blame or shit talk specific korean players, just genuinely curious
I think, it's a question of prestige. Why should I get rekt for nothing in current Code A format, while the old format provided fame and interest of teams and tournament organizers (even some prizemoney) even if you got knocked out in quarter finals. or just barely didn't make it out of your group.
It's not the matter of travel, it's pretty cheap to get from one part of Korea to another. Timing may play an aspect in that it's the middle of the week but I doubt that's really a determining factor in deciding to make a trip or not.
I think the biggest factor SC2 just isn't as popular as it used to be. Lots of those younger guys chasing the dream are dreaming of LoL, FIFA, and such these days. The pool of would-be applicants is just smaller. I'm sure knowledge of the format influences as well.
On May 11 2016 18:13 deus.machinarum wrote: I don't really get how there are so many BYEs and no-shows...I mean come on, this is for Code A!
Can't believe there's no crowd of young, up and coming koreans trying to qualify.
Count how much of this young Koreans actually qualify and you will understand why there is so many no-shows. Korean scene could really use Code A of old, a tournament for semi-pro/lower tier pro players.
I'm not sure I understand your reasoning...I do totally get that the chances of qualifying for any given good-but-not-quite-pro-tier player are slim to none given that so many established pros also play in the qualifiers but how does that lead to not even trying? Unless there's a huge cost to signing up, travelling to Seoul etc that I'm not aware of? (Even worse IMHO is to actually sign up and then no-show but that's a different discussion I guess)
EDIT: not trying to blame or shit talk specific korean players, just genuinely curious
I think, it's a question of prestige. Why should I get rekt for nothing in current Code A format, while the old format provided fame and interest of teams and tournament organizers (even some prizemoney) even if you got knocked out in quarter finals. or just barely didn't make it out of your group.
It's not the matter of travel, it's pretty cheap to get from one part of Korea to another. Timing may play an aspect in that it's the middle of the week but I doubt that's really a determining factor in deciding to make a trip or not.
I think the biggest factor SC2 just isn't as popular as it used to be. Lots of those younger guys chasing the dream are dreaming of LoL, FIFA, and such these days. The pool of would-be applicants is just smaller. I'm sure knowledge of the format influences as well.
On May 11 2016 20:29 ShAd_1337 wrote: why there are already code a matches determined before all qualifer are concluded? there should be a draw when all players are set
kenzi posted some of the matchups aftere players qualified
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
I know, but sOs and Trap are not that huge names as are Dark and Innovation. Sorry, but both of them(Dark, Inno) can aim for the title. You wouldn't say that about neither of them(sOs, Trap, SpeeD or Trust)
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
I know, but sOs and Trap are not that huge names as are Dark and Innovation. Sorry, but both of them(Dark, Inno) can aim for the title. You wouldn't say that about neither of them(sOs, Trap, SpeeD or Trust)
that's a good point, but we all know that teamkills aren't great for eSport
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
I know, but sOs and Trap are not that huge names as are Dark and Innovation. Sorry, but both of them(Dark, Inno) can aim for the title. You wouldn't say that about neither of them(sOs, Trap, SpeeD or Trust)
You could. Bogus is a loser in LotV and has no chance for the title. sOs did not so far qualify for BlizzCon and as this will be probably his last possibility, he might do the KT reverse all kill so it is similar :-)
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
I know, but sOs and Trap are not that huge names as are Dark and Innovation. Sorry, but both of them(Dark, Inno) can aim for the title. You wouldn't say that about neither of them(sOs, Trap, SpeeD or Trust)
that's a good point, but we all know that teamkills aren't great for eSport
I agree, and I, as a fan of Proxy Wings, am deeply hit by that teamkill(and HyuN vs. soO as I love both players). But the seeding should be based on quality of players, not teams. Even if that means less players of Proxy Wings in Code S
But, from the positive side of things. This means there is a guaranteed player from Proxy Wings in Code S!
On May 11 2016 20:43 TomInKorea wrote: Looks like NoRegret fell to Blaze. Good showing, although obviously you want to qualify.
I dont know if falling in the code A qualifier is really a good showing. I mean if you are not a WCS welfare participant you might consider retirement if you fall in SSL Qualifier aswell.
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
I know, but sOs and Trap are not that huge names as are Dark and Innovation. Sorry, but both of them(Dark, Inno) can aim for the title. You wouldn't say that about neither of them(sOs, Trap, SpeeD or Trust)
You can say that about trap, speed, ... but not sos. Sos is a very good player and you wont know when he turns the sos button on and beats everyone with a canon rush or with another wierd build. His coach once said that sos plays like a pervert.
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
I know, but sOs and Trap are not that huge names as are Dark and Innovation. Sorry, but both of them(Dark, Inno) can aim for the title. You wouldn't say that about neither of them(sOs, Trap, SpeeD or Trust)
You could. Bogus is a loser in LotV and has no chance for the title. sOs did not so far qualify for BlizzCon and as this will be probably his last possibility, he might do the KT reverse all kill so it is similar :-)
sOs is taking only the odd years of Blizzcon. So it's OK if he misses 2016. he will win 2017.
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
I know, but sOs and Trap are not that huge names as are Dark and Innovation. Sorry, but both of them(Dark, Inno) can aim for the title. You wouldn't say that about neither of them(sOs, Trap, SpeeD or Trust)
You can say that about trap, speed, ... but not sos. Sos is a very good player and you wont know when he turns the sos button on and beats everyone with a canon rush or with another wierd build. His coach once said that sos plays like a pervert.
EDIT: Maybe even trap. He got good again.
Nah, Speed is not there yet(but he has great future), in my eyes Dark > all of them, Inno > all of them(even though Inno is in no current form, probably)
On May 11 2016 20:23 ShAd_1337 wrote: oh my god. really? dark vs inno?
and yet again the Maru vs. Zest situation repeats
sOs also has to face his teammate Trap and SpeeD has to face his teammate Trust
I figured if all of us try to annoy Mr. Chae and AfreecaTV about this situation then they will give us a fix like SPOTV did with SSL. My sister and I already tweeted them, this is bad for eSport man
I know, but sOs and Trap are not that huge names as are Dark and Innovation. Sorry, but both of them(Dark, Inno) can aim for the title. You wouldn't say that about neither of them(sOs, Trap, SpeeD or Trust)
You could. Bogus is a loser in LotV and has no chance for the title. sOs did not so far qualify for BlizzCon and as this will be probably his last possibility, he might do the KT reverse all kill so it is similar :-)
sOs is taking only the odd years of Blizzcon. So it's OK if he misses 2016. he will win 2017.
I know :-) But he could at least get close to BlizzCon :-) I actually believe, he would beat Dark if he had to play him instead of Trust. But sOs would probably not beat Bogus, his cryptonite ...
On May 11 2016 20:54 sparklyresidue wrote: I'm sure this has been talked to death, but was Jaedong a no-show?
Yeah he didn't even sign up for either of the qualifiers. Guess he's done with sc2.
He missed like half of 2015 and the only thing he's done in 2016 was play in the GSL season 1 qualifiers. It feels like he dropped off at the end of 2014.
Edit: He was one of 60 players who made it to code A.
On May 11 2016 20:54 sparklyresidue wrote: I'm sure this has been talked to death, but was Jaedong a no-show?
Yeah he didn't even sign up for either of the qualifiers. Guess he's done with sc2.
He missed like half of 2015 and the only thing he's done in 2016 was play in the GSL season 1 qualifiers. It feels like he dropped off at the end of 2014.
Edit: He was one of 60 players who made it to code A.
Yeah, I agree. 2014 was the last year he was really active. I think he wasn't sure about competing ever since.
So can someone explain to me why they already started assigning Code A matches during the morning session (e.g. sOs-Trap)? That seems extremely unfair.
On May 11 2016 21:31 Elentos wrote: So can someone explain to me why they already started assigning Code A matches during the morning session (e.g. sOs-Trap)? That seems extremely unfair.
They could assign the left side "the winner of ..." vs. Dark(e.g.)
On May 11 2016 21:31 Elentos wrote: So can someone explain to me why they already started assigning Code A matches during the morning session (e.g. sOs-Trap)? That seems extremely unfair.
They could assign the left side "the winner of ..." vs. Dark(e.g.)
That still doesn't seem very fair. You could be pre-assigned a super hard or super easy opponent just because of the bracket the organizer arbitrarily put you in. And the matchups we have so far make it seem like it's not a standard seeding process either.
On May 11 2016 21:31 Elentos wrote: So can someone explain to me why they already started assigning Code A matches during the morning session (e.g. sOs-Trap)? That seems extremely unfair.
They could assign the left side "the winner of ..." vs. Dark(e.g.)
That still doesn't seem very fair. You could be pre-assigned a super hard or super easy opponent just because of the bracket the organizer arbitrarily put you in. And the matchups we have so far make it seem like it's not a standard seeding process either.
Taking the 8 last place finishers in Code S (25-32) random draw vs the 12 prelim group winners (there will be 4 left over). Take the 4 left preliminary group winners+4 random 2nd places in the preliminary group vs 17th vs 24th from Code S last season.
Then take 9-16 from Code S and pair them vs the remaining 8 2nd preliminary finishers. Special seeds like MC would be placed accordingly.
Still some luck involved but that way you still reward going far in Code S as much as you can.
As much as it sucks to get the likes of Dark vs Innovation in Code A, you can hardly fault the tournament organizers for it. They're running an event which is fair and open to all, would be unfair for the newcomers if things got "fixed"
On May 11 2016 22:15 Incognoto wrote: As much as it sucks to get the likes of Dark vs Innovation in Code A, you can hardly fault the tournament organizers for it. They're running an event which is fair and open to all, would be unfair for the newcomers if things got "fixed"
i fault the tournament organizers for sticking to one best of five :|
On May 11 2016 23:11 Incognoto wrote: I fault whatever circumstance it is that we only have two fucking GSLs in one year.
I think that if we should be mad about anything, it should be that. We need more GSLs.
Hm yeah three seasons is actually a pretty nice number, 6 starleagues in total sounds good to me. 4 though...
Yes, 6 would be better than 4. But 4 is still better than 2. Proleague with 8 teams would be much better than Proleague with 7 teams. But it is still better than 6 teams.
I still hope for a KESPA cup or Hot6ix cup that should have happened in May. But it is already almost mid of May and so far, nothing has happened and GSL and SSL are starting :-/ I am not so optimistic now.
Also, the waiting for THE ONE global event does not seem to be somehow realistic. Stupid welfare :-/
On May 11 2016 23:11 Incognoto wrote: I fault whatever circumstance it is that we only have two fucking GSLs in one year.
I think that if we should be mad about anything, it should be that. We need more GSLs.
Hm yeah three seasons is actually a pretty nice number, 6 starleagues in total sounds good to me. 4 though...
Yes, 6 would be better than 4. But 4 is still better than 2. Proleague with 8 teams would be much better than Proleague with 7 teams. But it is still better than 6 teams.
I still hope for a KESPA cup or Hot6ix cup that should have happened in May. But it is already almost mid of May and so far, nothing has happened and GSL and SSL are starting :-/ I am not so optimistic now.
Also, the waiting for THE ONE global event does not seem to be somehow realistic. Stupid welfare :-/
At this point I think that one Global event is the BlizzCon
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