Community Feedback Update - March 8 - Page 11

On March 10 2016 00:59 Big J wrote:


The map pool has been around for way too long. But except for Central Protocol they weren't half as bad as people say. But again, way overplayed. Look at how people complained about amazing maps like Overgrowth and King Sejong Station after a year in competitive play. Orbital Shipard has been around for equally long and never was at quite that level to begin with.

On March 10 2016 02:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:


previous poster stated no one wants to play on the maps. i do. post is incorrect and indicative of the myopic, echo chamber TL.Net can be.

On March 10 2016 03:58 Hider wrote:


And I think you need to understand that there are outliars in this world. Would you really disagree that the general community has voiced a strong dislike towards the new maps?

- Some of the staler, more boring games (to play and watch) have been mech only.

On March 09 2016 07:44 purakushi wrote:

Siege Tank change

Internally, we tried the changes proposed in recent weeks and they may have felt better than just removing Siege mode pick up entirely. We also tried the popular suggestion of picking up Siege Tanks in Siege mode, with them reverting to normal mode while carried by the Medivac. This wasn’t as good of a solution as increasing the delay before firing because it provides fewer knobs to tune. With this method, we have to make the delay before players can unload Siege Tanks equal to the unsiege time to prevent Medivac pickup from being the main way players should unsiege their tanks. Instead, we can adjust the firing delay upon being dropped to what feels best after testing, from where it is now to the same time it would take to unsiege.

On March 09 2016 11:41 avilo wrote:
Don't have words for their update.

Their update is terrible. Honestly pretty frustrated they won't listen to anyone, including myself about how to make mech viable. It's really simple - make thors/cyclones able to kill air units so less supply has to be invested into mass vikings which forces turtling and 20-40 more supply late game can be put into mech units and more factories.

On March 09 2016 07:44 purakushi wrote:

Overlord drop

We would also like to discuss the strength of Zerg drops in PvZ. We definitely hear feedback, especially from our KR community, and are keeping a close eye on this strategy as well as having regular discussions on what the best move is here.

While this is another good hook to help out Protoss in PvZ if needed, we worry that it won’t be easy to do a minor nerf where we can still see this strategy happen. There are only so many building requirements that we can place to this, so it won’t be easy to target specific areas with a slight nerf. Still, we need to ensure that this strategy remains viable because this type of diversity helps makes the game fun. Zerg macro play has often relied on defending and droning up, so it’s quite cool seeing more offensive options from Zerg, including this strategy and the early Ravager options.

Obviously, if there is a clear balance issue, we would definitely have to address it, but we wonder if we can do the Ravager timing nerf first, and then discuss this one if further nerfs to Zerg are needed in ZvP.

On March 09 2016 22:19 Hider wrote:


To be fair, it's not that simple. TvT tank + marine isn't less positional than it was in HOTS. However, the issue is that it makes it much harder to control the units, which significantly raises the learning barrier, and opportunites for a ton of small mistakes that costs you the game.

And from their perspective, if they nerfed Siege tank pick up, Ravagers would be overpowered; hence they needed to be sure that Ravagers should be nerfed as well.

On March 10 2016 06:47 Grumbels wrote:

I can see how siege tanks need the defensive mobility the medivac gives them in a game where corrosive bile exists, but the effects still were predicted very early on.

But I just get very depressed following DK's design decisions, because it always feels so lazy, shallow and reactive, and whenever I read anything he writes I despair at the inconsistencies and lack of logic. It's kinda like you're in a relationship with someone for many years and despite them having many positive qualities you eventually realize that deep down you really just don't like and respect them. It's not an immediate judgment, and it is difficult to explain, but it is a feeling which becomes overwhelming over time.

It is so apparent to me that you can virtually never take DK at face value and that all his decisions are at heart confused and misguided, even if the damage is mitigated by his professional skills and inertia of the design process. The fact that whatever he writes is muddled by PR considerations makes it even more unintelligible. There are so many things in SC2 that could have and should have been done better, and not just in retrospect. If you or I can predict negative consequences of design decisions then Blizzard should also be able to, and more, they should be able to fix them before they become problematic. If Blizzard is incapable of this (which they often are), then their designers do not meet the standards I expect of them, ergo DK's analytical skills are not adequate for his position. *mutters*

On March 09 2016 08:32 CheddarToss wrote:

How do flying Tanks show of skill? Basically any other micro in the game is harder to pull of than that. Siegetank pickup is the definition of forgivable ant-skill play.

On March 10 2016 13:33 JackONeill wrote:
assymetrical balance means one race is stronger than another in late game. Which leads to turtling. Even in HOTS mech TvZ, mid game was quite weak for terran, especially against roach hydra viper pushes. But hey, when you've got ravens and BCs late game, who cares about midgame? The plan was to turtle on 3-4 bases until you got 180 pop with mainly tanks and 3 thors, and then build 4 BCs and take the rest of the map. Because late game was so terran favored.

Assymetrical balance also brought us THE FANTASTIC LOTV TvP. Where terran has absolutely no agressive options other than :
- 1/1/1 allin that only works on ulrena
- gamble with a liberator to lock down a mineral line
- mine drop (which is kind of a gamble because overcharge 6 shots medivacs)
And that's it. NOTHING ELSE.

Whereas toss...
- blink pressure
- drop adept
- drop DTs
- drop disruptors
- oracle harass
- phenix harass
- 1 base allins (robo allin, SG allin, DT rush, proxy stargate, etc etc etc)
- 2 bases allin (ultra mass adepts usually)
- the "2 pylones next to your wall that I'll overcharge while taking B2, and your only option is to hope for a decent trade 2 supplies vs 2 pylones"