It's that time of the year again when we have to take a look at featured stream requirements. Once again, Blizzard have changed the WCS system, so the previous requirements need to be tweaked to fit the current system better. While it is inconvenient and confusing to have to revisit these requirements every year, we believe that keeping the requirements up to date ensures that we get a featured stream list that represents the best and brightest streamers that StarCraft has to offer.
Updated Featured Stream Requirements:
Full time or part time progamer that has made a WCS Championship appearance (Winter, Spring, Summer) closed bracket
Full time or part time progamer that reached the final bracket of a WCS Championship qualifier this season (the Championship Qualifier, and not the smaller regional ladder qualifiers)
Full time or part time progamer that has earned WCS points from a premier tournament main event
Full time or part time progamer that has won a major tournament
Full time streamer on a professional team that has at least 100-150 constant viewers
Content producer or community member that has contributed a lot to the scene, who has at least 100-150 viewers
Full time or regular streamer that is considered insightful and informative who plays at a high level, with at least 100-150 viewers
Full time streamer with at least 200 constant viewers
To explain some of these changes: the new WCS system has made it such that there is no longer a real Challenger League and anyone can basically get into what amounts to a large qualifier. As such, the bar has to be raised in order to match previous expectations for featured status. Qualifying through ladder should be applauded, but it serves as a second chance qualifier and not a true "Challenger league" like last year. As such, only the winners will be eligible. On the other hand, the Finals of each qualifier (with direct invites into WCS Championships) is held first and is as close as we have to a league that is attended by all the best players from eligible regions (split between NA and EU scenes). Therefore, those players should qualify for featured status.
Next, with premier tournaments now region locked, the bar has to be raised as well. We have moved the requirement up to a Top 4 placing, as opposed to just reaching the bracket stages.
Naturally, some players have already been grandfathered into featured streams from last year. Should they meet some of the grounds for defeaturing, they will be removed. Hopefully that doesn't have to happen and we can avoid all the awkward PMs. Ground for defeaturing are largely the same.
Grounds for De-Featuring:
On-stream conduct determined unacceptable to Team Liquid. This includes acts of racism, homophobia, hate speech, and general assholery
Inactivity for more than a year
Failure to return to the final bracket of a WCS Championship qualifier, if the streamer does not meet any other requirements
Proof of viewbotting or artificially padding one's viewing numbers
Proof of stream cheating or hacking
Being permanently banned on teamliquid.net for unacceptable posting
Consistently low viewer count below 100
We'll keep an eye out for this over the year as usual, and we will make adjustments should the new WCS system deem it necessary. If you have any complaints, I guess you can post here or PM me. v_v
Due to the recent WCS changes, it became necessary for us to revisit the featured streamer requirements and adjust them for the new system in 2016. Sadly, the new system has a Challenger league that is of no use for helping us feature new and up-coming-streamers in an objective and fair way. If we were to feature every single streamer that made the various Challenger leagues around the globe, then it would effectively make the list meaningless. However, we would have been accused of favoritism if we decided to pick some and not others who had similar qualifications.
After much contemplation, I've decided that the best way to go about this is to have a small list of "temporary featured streamers of the month", where we give a temporary feature to the streamers on the cusp of making the list due to their qualifications (tournament placings, quality of work, streamer numbers, etc). Their feature will last for an entire month, and if they are able to prove that that they deserve to stay featured then they will stay featured. It becomes imperative, then, for these streamers to continue working on their streams during this period in order to stay on the list.
Temporary Featured Streamers of the Month
3 streamers per month, lasts the entire month
Chosen from on-the-cusp streamers and pro players who stream often
Preference will be given to streamers from different regions, if possible
Feature can be revoked should the streamer go inactive, exhibit unacceptable behavior, or viewbot/cheat/hack
Feature expires at the end of the month
If the streamer maintains 150+ viewers for a majority of the period, he will keep his featured status
If the streamer's numbers do not improve, then he will lose his featured status
Previous Temporary Featured Streamers may be featured again
For the month of April, I've chosen the following three streamers
deth - If you follow Maynarde on twitter at all, then you should know about deth.
NoRegret - The Canadian zerg is off to Korea to follow his dreams, and practicing at the MVP house is certain to teach him a thing or two. He's also a popular streamer, and worth checking out.
Lillekanin - While he has had a spotty record in the past, we always try to give second chances. He is one of the more experienced players in premier tournaments currently not on the list, so he definitely has the skill.
Isn't "at least 100-150 constant viewers" the same as "at least 100 constant viewers?" What's the point of saying "at least 100-150" instead of just "at least 100?"
On February 15 2016 19:00 kagamin wrote: Isn't "at least 100-150 constant viewers" the same as "at least 100 constant viewers?" What's the point of saying "at least 100-150" instead of just "at least 100?"
It is the short version of "at least 100, at maximum 150 viewers". If you have over 150 you get unfeatured.
Feel bad for the NA players.... seems it like it would be really tough to get on this list even if they're on a pro team due to having a low viewership.. which is actually pretty common now and days. Quite a few of the people who made the top 16 qualifier (aka the best players of NA..) have just around or lower than the numbers posted here. Seems odd to not support these players, after all they are the best of the region as qualified through the official bracket.
Honestly, if you haven't seen, the number of NA people who will be added to this list that aren't already on there will be like... 1-2 at most per season based on the number of available seeds I believe?... @_@;;?
On February 15 2016 20:06 -Kyo- wrote: Feel bad for the NA players.... seems it like it would be really tough to get on this list even if they're on a pro team due to having a low viewership.. which is actually pretty common now and days. Quite a few of the people who made the top 16 qualifier (aka the best players of NA..) have just around or lower than the numbers posted here. Seems odd to not support these players, after all they are the best of the region as qualified through the official bracket.
Honestly, if you haven't seen, the number of NA people who will be added to this list that aren't already on there will be like... 1-2 at most per season based on the number of available seeds I believe?... @_@;;?
In all honesty, Neuro generally has ~350 viewers nowadays, and he is from NA. If the NA players really have such low viewer numbers, they might need to look at the content they produce, because if one player can do it, all can.
I'm sorry but saying the words "at least" and then giving an interval is stupid. And people should really stop doing it. Because it's wrong. It's bad. It's not worthy of anything or anyone.
On February 15 2016 20:54 fealx wrote: Grounds for De-Featuring:
1. On-stream conduct determined unacceptable to Team Liquid. This includes acts of racism, homophobia, hate speech, and general assholery
so avilo should not be featured
Let's just say avilo's case is a... difficult one.
Literally not a single game ends without him having called his opponent at least a "fucking idiot" on stream, and usually through in game chat bm as well. And he literally does not lose a single game without blaming it on game imbalance, stream cheating or hacking. I know that he has consistent viewership but seriously guys, I just can't see how supporting this behaviour is doing esports or SC2 any good whatsoever.
On February 15 2016 19:00 kagamin wrote: Isn't "at least 100-150 constant viewers" the same as "at least 100 constant viewers?" What's the point of saying "at least 100-150" instead of just "at least 100?"
Right here, some one who knows basic math. No pun intended.
On February 15 2016 20:54 fealx wrote: Grounds for De-Featuring:
1. On-stream conduct determined unacceptable to Team Liquid. This includes acts of racism, homophobia, hate speech, and general assholery
so avilo should not be featured
Let's just say avilo's case is a... difficult one.
It's not, just state what excuse TL used. It's TL list and TL can give exceptions. It's in their(yours) forum "rules" anyway(6th Commandment IIRC(Respect Vets! )
Or don't and we will create some new! I can start with one - Avilo is Nazghul's spoiled younger brother! THERE! Conspiracy season is open
On February 15 2016 20:54 fealx wrote: Grounds for De-Featuring:
1. On-stream conduct determined unacceptable to Team Liquid. This includes acts of racism, homophobia, hate speech, and general assholery
so avilo should not be featured
Let's just say avilo's case is a... difficult one.
It's not, just state what excuse TL used. It's TL list and TL can give exceptions. It's in their(yours) forum "rules" anyway(6th Commandment IIRC(Respect Vets! )
Or don't and we will create some new! I can start with one - Avilo is Nazghul's spoiled younger brother! THERE! Conspiracy season is open
The funny thing is nobody likes Avilo but for some reason they don't have the balls to boot him lmao.
[*] Proof of viewbotting or artificially padding one's viewing numbers
Goodbye Winter, hello spring I love this time of year.
What proof? If there was any proof he wouldn't be able to stream on twitch.
How many people ever get banned on Twitch for viewbotting? Especially if they make Twitch money... let's be real here, Twitch makes some very shady decisions and never explains them anyway when it comes to some dubious individuals breaking TOS but still being allowed to stream, because $$$.
[*] Proof of viewbotting or artificially padding one's viewing numbers
Goodbye Winter, hello spring I love this time of year.
What proof? If there was any proof he wouldn't be able to stream on twitch.
How many people ever get banned on Twitch for viewbotting? Especially if they make Twitch money... let's be real here, Twitch makes some very shady decisions and never explains them anyway when it comes to some dubious individuals breaking TOS but still being allowed to stream, because $$$.
Blind trust in Twitch won't do you any good.
Then deliver the proof. That's all I'm asking.
I'm not saying he's not viewbotting. I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying, if you have that rule, you have to deliver proof. And I've never seen any. So saying "goodbye Winter" without presenting the proof is not furthering the plot.
On February 15 2016 20:54 fealx wrote: Grounds for De-Featuring:
1. On-stream conduct determined unacceptable to Team Liquid. This includes acts of racism, homophobia, hate speech, and general assholery
so avilo should not be featured
Let's just say avilo's case is a... difficult one.
Literally not a single game ends without him having called his opponent at least a "fucking idiot" on stream, and usually through in game chat bm as well. And he literally does not lose a single game without blaming it on game imbalance, stream cheating or hacking. I know that he has consistent viewership but seriously guys, I just can't see how supporting this behaviour is doing esports or SC2 any good whatsoever.
Not worth replying because haters will hate regardless. But i'll reply anyways because i want to reply to 2nd guy: a) @ first guy you probably don't watch my stream as i do none of those things, nor would i ever. b) @ 2nd guy again, not true, no matter how much you or the lil hater squad wants it to be. If i did that every single game i would literally have no viewers. All of that is highly overexaggerated.
To be fair to me, in the past there were a fuckton of players that were purposely sniping me to get reaction from me / make me rage etc. Any streamer that has a viewer base of 200+ viewer will tell you at some point they have been stream sniped. It happened to me a lot and got pretty annoying - i was always pretty up front about it i mean what can i do if i play 4 guys in a row that all are proxy 3 raxing me on a 4 player map with no scv scout (this type of shit has happened before -_-).
I've learned from it though (and listened to feedback) and toned it down and don't let it bother me as much when it does happen, though i think at this point it's pretty much a meme that people will perpetuate regardless lol - i don't really often call out snipers/hackers so much tho sometimes i will joke about it on stream and the 2 people there that don't understand sarcasm will post about it.
I'd like to think i'm a pretty good + consistent SC2 streamer that provides high level gameplay, unique style, and good commentary + humor to boot :D
Not much else to say, hope you change your mind and give my stream another try :D
edit: p.s. ik you may not personally like me but i really do not think it's a good idea to start witch hunting more community members (yes i consider myself part of the SC2 community). I mean if people wanna keep trying to drive every single personality / player out of SC2 then ok @_@
really now avilo? I do believe it is you who outright started by calling ME a hacker - no more than a week ago actually. (Nevermind that I stream my games) outright blatant calls of hacking with no evidence and just verbal diarrhea to make yourself seem like a better player isn't what makes for a professional streamer, nor should it be what represents TL on the featured stream list.
At least Avilo is funny. Part of his moaning is all about putting on a show. Much rather watch him than someone who has insane view numbers as soon as they go live and also a slow chat.....
As stated before viewbotting is a problem, not just in SC2, here is a link to video of a popular LoL streamer addressing the issue and how the community as a whole can put an end to it, for those that cba to watch it even covers people viewbotting others streams in an attempt to make them look complicit and therefore getting them banned.
This joke is so funny and makes me laugh every year
Avilo doesn't have the lowest level of play on the featured list. So starting a cleansing with him would be wrong. It's so easy to point fingers. I'm amazed that you haven't read up on basic human psychology of stigmata and scapegoating. If not to purge it from your behavior, then at least to limit it.
You know, I don't think it's about TL not having the balls to boot Avilo. It's probably about helping the sc2 scene and show more streamers and since Avilo does bring viewership, it's good for sc2 and that's probably why TL thinks he should stay on there.
We all know that Avilo breaks these rules quite a bit but since he brings viewership, who cares. Let him stream and let him be featured and it'll feel better for everyone who follow sc2 to see the streamlist and that people are watching sc2 instead of other titles.
[*] Proof of viewbotting or artificially padding one's viewing numbers
Goodbye Winter, hello spring I love this time of year.
What proof? If there was any proof he wouldn't be able to stream on twitch.
How many people ever get banned on Twitch for viewbotting? Especially if they make Twitch money... let's be real here, Twitch makes some very shady decisions and never explains them anyway when it comes to some dubious individuals breaking TOS but still being allowed to stream, because $$$.
Blind trust in Twitch won't do you any good.
Then deliver the proof. That's all I'm asking.
I'm not saying he's not viewbotting. I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying, if you have that rule, you have to deliver proof. And I've never seen any. So saying "goodbye Winter" without presenting the proof is not furthering the plot.
There was actual proof Winters stream was viewbotted. It prompted the hilarious "I.. I.. didn't know.." post from the man himself. It was never proven he did the viewbotting but his stream certainly had bots in it.
Come to think of it, there was actually evidence him fucking up a bot subscription iirc.
[*] Proof of viewbotting or artificially padding one's viewing numbers
Goodbye Winter, hello spring I love this time of year.
What proof? If there was any proof he wouldn't be able to stream on twitch.
How many people ever get banned on Twitch for viewbotting? Especially if they make Twitch money... let's be real here, Twitch makes some very shady decisions and never explains them anyway when it comes to some dubious individuals breaking TOS but still being allowed to stream, because $$$.
Blind trust in Twitch won't do you any good.
Then deliver the proof. That's all I'm asking.
I'm not saying he's not viewbotting. I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying, if you have that rule, you have to deliver proof. And I've never seen any. So saying "goodbye Winter" without presenting the proof is not furthering the plot.
There was actual proof Winters stream was viewbotted. It prompted the hilarious "I.. I.. didn't know.." post from the man himself. It was never proven he did the viewbotting but his stream certainly had bots in it.
Come to think of it, there was actually evidence him fucking up a bot subscription iirc.
From what I've read, there was no proof. There was some stats that might indicate it, but nothing close to what you'd consider proof. I haven't read whatever you're refering to that Winter himself wrote.
I expect Twitch will ban him if they have anything conclusive on him. And if not, they wont.
For clarity's sake, after winter's ban from our featured list expired and he was up for review, he showed compelling evidence that his viewer counts after attempting to purge his channel of viewbots was believable. His evidence was far less circumstantial than the proof that he had been botting. Of course, we can only judge evidence presented to us and there is no way for us to prove/disprove things independently without the cooperation of twitch. He also informed us immediately when he suspected he was being botted again (even before talk of it surfaced again). Again this isn't some final "we are definitely 100% right" verdict; we based our decision on the information we could acquire.
[*] Proof of viewbotting or artificially padding one's viewing numbers
Goodbye Winter, hello spring I love this time of year.
What proof? If there was any proof he wouldn't be able to stream on twitch.
How many people ever get banned on Twitch for viewbotting? Especially if they make Twitch money... let's be real here, Twitch makes some very shady decisions and never explains them anyway when it comes to some dubious individuals breaking TOS but still being allowed to stream, because $$$.
Blind trust in Twitch won't do you any good.
Then deliver the proof. That's all I'm asking.
I'm not saying he's not viewbotting. I'm not saying he is. I'm just saying, if you have that rule, you have to deliver proof. And I've never seen any. So saying "goodbye Winter" without presenting the proof is not furthering the plot.
There was actual proof Winters stream was viewbotted. It prompted the hilarious "I.. I.. didn't know.." post from the man himself. It was never proven he did the viewbotting but his stream certainly had bots in it.
Come to think of it, there was actually evidence him fucking up a bot subscription iirc.
From what I've read, there was no proof. There was some stats that might indicate it, but nothing close to what you'd consider proof. I haven't read whatever you're refering to that Winter himself wrote.
I expect Twitch will ban him if they have anything conclusive on him. And if not, they wont.
Here's the Reddit thread about the fake donation. www.reddit.com Here's Winters initial response. pastebin.com
And again, Winter admitted to the viewbotting himself. The evidence was apparently conclusive enough for him to do so. It made his stream temporary unfeatured on TL. Temporary, because Winter claimed he wasn't the one doing the viewbotting and it couldn't be proven who was actually doing it so TL gave him time to get rid of the bots etc.
Edit: Just to make sure; I have nothing against Winter I just think there's a little more to the evidence than you do or maybe you didn't read everything I read.
Avilo doesn't have the lowest level of play on the featured list.
Are you giving me ammos ? ^^ Are you trying to say that avilo has a "high level gameplay" like he claims ? Do you the difference between good and high ?
@lichter
without the cooperation of twitch
And is there somekind of a communication between you and them ?
He also informed us immediately
It tends to prove good faith or an evil mastermind.
Avilo doesn't have the lowest level of play on the featured list.
Are you giving me ammos ? ^^ Are you trying to say that avilo has a "high level gameplay" like he claims ? Do you the difference between good and high ?
It tends to prove good faith or an evil mastermind.
Masters is top 1 or 2% depending on the time of the season. That would be more than enough to call it high level in my book.
If you own a different book that needs better than top 2%, then that's okay. I think my book is better though. As 98% of the community (at least) would be able to benefit from watching a masters' stream.
And here I remain, doing streaming right with no viewbots, the right numbers, and still not featured. Yet, I see someone with compelling evidence ( winter ) was view botting and returns to the featured status, and I still see people like avilo who fall under the category of general assholery.
If this isn't a clear cut sign of TL simply out for the high streaming numbers, I don't know what is.
I'd love to see a study on Avilo. You know, like what % of games vs Korean pros has he played on stream without calling them dumb/stupid, a hacker/stream sniper or "only won due to imbal." Going from watching him play Jaedong and Parting, and hearing about Polt, I think he might be the only person in the world to be able to pull off that 0% feat.
Whether playing vs Korean pros or randoms, I can only recall seeing Avilo refrain from such actions vs Livibee. It would be interesting if there were a thread requesting players who haven't been a "victim" of such actions, at the hands of Avilo, to come forth. How big could the list be? Everyone likes to see impressive feats. Personally, I think Avilo's victimizing of others ranks up there with Neeb beating Polt and Hydra. Just as impressive if not more so. At the end of the day, views are views, and not everyone has that kind of talent. It's really not easy to try to justify why your opponent was hacking, every game. I mean, really, that can't be an easy sell.
On February 16 2016 02:59 ProTech wrote: And here I remain, doing streaming right with no viewbots, the right numbers, and still not featured. Yet, I see someone with compelling evidence ( winter ) was view botting and returns to the featured status, and I still see people like avilo who fall under the category of general assholery.
If this isn't a clear cut sign of TL simply out for the high streaming numbers, I don't know what is.
On February 16 2016 02:59 ProTech wrote: And here I remain, doing streaming right with no viewbots, the right numbers, and still not featured. Yet, I see someone with compelling evidence ( winter ) was view botting and returns to the featured status, and I still see people like avilo who fall under the category of general assholery.
If this isn't a clear cut sign of TL simply out for the high streaming numbers, I don't know what is.
+1. As an occasional ProTech viewer I have to agree. If you're still not going to re-feature him you might as well add "Not be ProTech" to the list of requirements if you are trying to be honest.
As long as someone like Winter is featured then there isn't much ground for unfeaturing Avilo in terms of distaste and harm to the community. In fact as long as someone like Winter can be featured, you might as well feature everybody who requests it.
On February 16 2016 02:25 lichter wrote: For clarity's sake, after winter's ban from our featured list expired and he was up for review, he showed compelling evidence that his viewer counts after attempting to purge his channel of viewbots was believable. His evidence was far less circumstantial than the proof that he had been botting. Of course, we can only judge evidence presented to us and there is no way for us to prove/disprove things independently without the cooperation of twitch. He also informed us immediately when he suspected he was being botted again (even before talk of it surfaced again). Again this isn't some final "we are definitely 100% right" verdict; we based our decision on the information we could acquire.
If everyone who accuses his opponents as maphackers and whines about balance gets defeatured there won't be many streams left.. so no reason to defeature avilo.
I've also been making youtube content and have more paying subscribers than some of your most popular streams in the featured section.
It's funny how you say "i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me" as if these are somehow baseless accusations made by people who just want to stir up shit. I first watched you in 2011 and you were just as toxic and inflammatory then as you are now. But sure, it's only haters who want to put you down, never for a minute consider that you might be wrong, or a prick.
On February 16 2016 04:52 Charoisaur wrote: If everyone who accuses his opponents as maphackers and whines about balance gets defeatured there won't be many streams left.. so no reason to defeature avilo.
I've also been making youtube content and have more paying subscribers than some of your most popular streams in the featured section.
It's funny how you say "i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me" as if these are somehow baseless accusations made by people who just want to stir up shit. I first watched you in 2011 and you were just as toxic and inflammatory then as you are now. But sure, it's only haters who want to put you down, never for a minute consider that you might be wrong, or a prick.
Keep it up lad.
Is PT any more of a prick than avilo or Winter though?
I've also been making youtube content and have more paying subscribers than some of your most popular streams in the featured section.
It's funny how you say "i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me" as if these are somehow baseless accusations made by people who just want to stir up shit. I first watched you in 2011 and you were just as toxic and inflammatory then as you are now. But sure, it's only haters who want to put you down, never for a minute consider that you might be wrong, or a prick.
Keep it up lad.
I never said I wasn't a prick. In fact, whenever I plug my stream anywhere I say " I can be a prick so if you have thin skin don't bother. "
There's a difference between libel/slander. Idra was a prick/BM but that didn't effect his featured status, nor does it avilo or destiny.
In otherwords, as long as you have a high viewership the rules don't apply to you.
I'm just trying make sure that whoever makes these decisions fully understands that you are sweeping people like me under the rug for literally no reason.
On February 16 2016 05:28 ragz_gt wrote: s1mple is on TL so it's unlikely he'd be defeatured unless they kick him from the team...
Yeah, but don't you think it's kind of ridiculous that they enforce these rules on people like me, when you can clearly see that so long as you have lots of viewers it'll be overlooked?
I have the required viewership and everything else to have be featured on this website, but for whatever reason I get swept under the rug when there is mountains of evidence that whatever they aren't featuring me for goes on much worse in many other channels.
Yeah, it's hypocrisy. Afterall, you are just as bad as avilo really. I am sure that if you had 1000 viewers you'll be free to be as much as a prick as avilo.
On February 16 2016 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Yeah, it's hypocrisy. Afterall, you are just as bad as avilo really. I am sure that if you had 1000 viewers you'll be free to be as much as a prick as avilo.
It's their website, they can do whatever they want with it whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant. I would venture to say that no one who makes these featured decisions on TL would be happy about being the victim to hypocrisy though.
I am not as bad as avilo or anyone mentioned above, but I'm not an angel nor do I plan on being one. Personality drives streams to success not being one dimensional.
On February 16 2016 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Yeah, it's hypocrisy. Afterall, you are just as bad as avilo really. I am sure that if you had 1000 viewers you'll be free to be as much as a prick as avilo.
I am not as bad as avilo or anyone mentioned above, but I'm not an angel nor do I plan on being one. Personality drives streams to success not being one dimensional.
Oh hey look, it's the guy who kills his own teammates in 2v2, calls everyone a hacker, leaves games because the region is set to Australia to leave his teammates to 2v1, and still talks shit and calls everyone a hacker.
It's only slightly funny when Avilo complains to himself, as when I tuned in the other day he was complaining about him vs Ruff and Ruff's builds and calling him dumb.
It's kinda sad when you see someone killing their own teammate in a team game because they are angry they lose. Well, actually, it's really sad. Of course, this is much less of a problem than the shit he says about people though.
Though, even when people state these things about you, or even if people actually bother to tune into your stream once or twice to objectively listen to what you're saying and still find you to be a complete dick to everyone in the community you would still find a way to try to prove your innocence and claim you are the victim of not being featured.
There is probably a reason the general community doesn't like you and TL won't feature you. If you haven't figured it out after reading this post you probably never will. Rather, I don't think you care to.
aka thx4thefreepointsin2v2theotherday oh; also, it would probably help if your last tournament achievement wasn't being carried in a 2v2 tournament in 2011. Huheuheruh
On February 16 2016 06:07 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Yeah, it's hypocrisy. Afterall, you are just as bad as avilo really. I am sure that if you had 1000 viewers you'll be free to be as much as a prick as avilo.
I am not as bad as avilo or anyone mentioned above, but I'm not an angel nor do I plan on being one. Personality drives streams to success not being one dimensional.
Oh hey look, it's the guy who kills his own teammates in 2v2, calls everyone a hacker, leaves games because the region is set to Australia to leave his teammates to 2v1, and still talks shit and calls everyone a hacker.
It's only slightly funny when Avilo complains to himself, as when I tuned in the other day he was complaining about him vs Ruff and Ruff's builds and calling him dumb.
It's kinda sad when you see someone killing their own teammate in a team game because they are angry they lose. Well, actually, it's really sad. Of course, this is much less of a problem than the shit he says about people though.
Though, even when people state these things about you, or even if people actually bother to tune into your stream once or twice to objectively listen to what you're saying and still find you to be a complete dick to everyone in the community you would still find a way to try to prove your innocence and claim you are the victim of not being featured.
There is probably a reason the general community doesn't like you and TL won't feature you. If you haven't figured it out after reading this post you probably never will. Rather, I don't think you care to.
aka thx4thefreepointsin2v2theotherday oh; also, it would probably help if your last tournament achievement wasn't being carried in a 2v2 tournament in 2011. Huheuheruh
I find it incredibly hard to believe that a streamer would have 200 paying subscribers and make a full time career out of streaming if " every person you play is a hacker " or " every game kills his own team mates. "
The problem isn't me, the problem is people like you taking things out of context.
Being permanently banned on teamliquid.net for unacceptable posting
Maybe this has been answered some time ago, but on this ground, IdrA wouldn't be featured if he was still playing pro SC2?
Well, this one is easy to answer. It only has two states, and is clearly defined in the list of criteria. Ask yourself, is IdrA permanently banned from teamliquid.net for unacceptable posting. If he is, then he wouldn't be featured. If he's not, then he could be featured. Seems simple enough.
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ProTech: I am not as bad as avilo
To be fair, that's hugely subjective, and i think you're suffering from cognitive bias, or possibly saying this for PR reasons.
Again, this is why the rules need to be more quantitive than qualitative.
To be fair, that's hugely subjective, and i think you're suffering from cognitive bias, or possibly saying this for PR reasons.
Again, this is why the rules need to be more quantitive than qualitative.
If it were for PR reasons why would I say that I have no intention of changing who I am? I said it, because it's true. I'm assuming if you actually watched any of my YT videos catching cheaters, they are broken down logically and people are given the benefit of the doubt. I do it the right way, I don't accuse people of doing stupid shit unless there's mountains of evidence backing it up.
Seen as i seem to have started all this by a mere passing of the seasons comment 'wink wink', here is what I have to say following on from other posts.
1. Protech - not a fan, never really watch him but can see he is a genuine streamer who does his thing and is trying to make a good go of it. Might not be everyone's taste but clearly isn't a complete fraud. Keep it up, more likely to watch yourstream from now on tbh. 2. Panev - This guy doesn't seem to be a retard and is able to search for relevant information on the interweb. GG fella, some people just need it spelling out to them. 3. I am human, yes really I am, and I can't for the life of me think why someone who isn't really that interesting, doesn't really have anything good to say can have like 3k viewers 5 mins into stream. 4. Let Avilio be Avilo, yeah he can be a petulant turd at times with the way he bitches and whines but seriously this is why people love him. At least he has the balls to play something he finds fun even if it is 'off meta'. Also not really heard him come out with anything uber offensive unless your referring to autism, in which case I might add that we are all on the autistic spectrum somewhere, even you reading this. Avilo himself maybe further to one end than the other. But just let him do his thing. He is not a fraud and wears his heart on his sleeve, at least respect this.
4. Let Avilio be Avilo, yeah he can be a petulant turd at times with the way he bitches and whines but seriously this is why people love him. At least he has the balls to play something he finds fun even if it is 'off meta'. Also not really heard him come out with anything uber offensive unless your referring to autism, in which case I might add that we are all on the autistic spectrum somewhere, even you reading this. Avilo himself maybe further to one end than the other. But just let him do his thing. He is not a fraud and wears his heart on his sleeve, at least respect this.
I can vouch for this, my 200 paying subscribers say the exact same thing. " Come for the salt, stay for the game-play. "
4. Let Avilio be Avilo, yeah he can be a petulant turd at times with the way he bitches and whines but seriously this is why people love him. At least he has the balls to play something he finds fun even if it is 'off meta'. Also not really heard him come out with anything uber offensive unless your referring to autism, in which case I might add that we are all on the autistic spectrum somewhere, even you reading this. Avilo himself maybe further to one end than the other. But just let him do his thing. He is not a fraud and wears his heart on his sleeve, at least respect this.
I can vouch for this, my 200 paying subscribers say the exact same thing. " Come for the salt, stay for the game-play. "
Exactly man, the times I enjoy watching Avilio the best is when I've just come home from the pub (UK time) and he's only just started so I just enjoy the fun of it and some relatively shit hot mech play. Can't really understand much of ForGG which is a shame, and Gumiho doesn't really twitch.... Also their should be some regard for people who are trying to make this game into a career which is for the good of a diverse community, people like yourself ProTech, each to their own and let them enjoy. Daftness and silliness can easily be tolerated, but trying to make yourself look better than someone else because of numbers generated has always seemed really low to me.
Since I 'm part of the Sc2 community for 5 years, and have been covering almost everything there is can I get feutured as an organization/streamer? I think I also meet points 5,6,7, Www.twitch.tv/emstarcraft
Hey, personally, i would like to see the guys with bad behaviour de-featured, but that is just my opinion.
However having the same standards for everyone and following your own rules is the right thing to do, so if Avilo is allowed, feature protech too, unless the actual reason to not do so is clarified. I don't watch his stream and i might not do so after its featured, i just like when things are done right.
edit: not just protech, feature everyone that fits the criteria, with the same "loose" standards that are currently implemented.
I've also been making youtube content and have more paying subscribers than some of your most popular streams in the featured section.
It's funny how you say "i've discredited most of the trolling that TL has heard about me" as if these are somehow baseless accusations made by people who just want to stir up shit. I first watched you in 2011 and you were just as toxic and inflammatory then as you are now. But sure, it's only haters who want to put you down, never for a minute consider that you might be wrong, or a prick.
Keep it up lad.
Is PT any more of a prick than avilo or Winter though?
Oh don't worry I've never supported or approved of those two either.
But there's nothing you can do when the community at large refuses to cut them off, even though they also complain about them all the time. And people still pretending Winter is innocent because appeal to authority and "surely twitch would have banned him otherwise" is totally not fallacious in any way.
On February 16 2016 11:35 Superbanana wrote: Hey, personally, i would like to see the guys with bad behaviour de-featured, but that is just my opinion.
Problem here is that the vast majority of personal streams will have some sort of 'bad behavior', Nathanias for example (shining light, good guy, mother in law's would love him), employed by blizzard/ESL swore a whole bunch on his personal stream at the weekend. He doesn't when he's streaming for said organisations and their is a difference. I am in now way saying we should ban people for swearing but but common sense has to prevail. You can have opinions and you can make mistakes and say some silly stuff. But should you be allowed to get away with knowingly over and over again bumping your numbers to 'fuck over' (holy shit ban me for swearing) some other people who are honestly trying to make money from SC2 and offer something else to the community?
On February 16 2016 11:35 Superbanana wrote: Hey, personally, i would like to see the guys with bad behaviour de-featured, but that is just my opinion.
Problem her is that the vast majority of personal streams will have some sort of bad behavior, Nathanias for example (shining light, good guy, mother in law's would love him), employed by blizzard/ESL swore a whole bunch on his personal stream at the weekend. He doesn't when he's streaming for said organisations and their is a difference. I am in now way saying we should ban people for swearing but but common sense has to prevail. You can have opinions and you can make mistakes and say some silly stuff. But should you be allowed to get away with knowingly over and over again bumping your numbers to 'fuck over' (holy shit ban me for swearing) some other people who are honestly trying to make money from SC2 and offer something else to the community?
Bad behaviour is subjective, there is Nathanias with the acceptable by common sense behaviour (at least most of the time), and there are guys that are obviously toxic. Even the ones defending them are not claiming the behaviour is aceptable (and thus are asking for a stream that does not fit the criteria to be feature for a reason not in the rules).
On February 16 2016 11:35 Superbanana wrote: Hey, personally, i would like to see the guys with bad behaviour de-featured, but that is just my opinion.
Problem her is that the vast majority of personal streams will have some sort of bad behavior, Nathanias for example (shining light, good guy, mother in law's would love him), employed by blizzard/ESL swore a whole bunch on his personal stream at the weekend. He doesn't when he's streaming for said organisations and their is a difference. I am in now way saying we should ban people for swearing but but common sense has to prevail. You can have opinions and you can make mistakes and say some silly stuff. But should you be allowed to get away with knowingly over and over again bumping your numbers to 'fuck over' (holy shit ban me for swearing) some other people who are honestly trying to make money from SC2 and offer something else to the community?
Bad behaviour is subjective, there is Nathanias with the acceptable by common sense behaviour (at least most of the time), and there are guys that are obviously toxic. Even the ones defending them are not claiming the behaviour is aceptable (and thus are asking for a stream that does not fit the criteria to be feature for a reason not in the rules).
Im asking for equal standards for everyone.
This is point that's extremely EXTREMELY overlooked on my channel. Common sense behavior, and what ends up happening is that it a TON of things that happens gets taken out of context, or it's simple lies that I have no way of defending due to being a smaller channel.
Like one of the main reasons that whole scammer thing went viral was because of total biscuit, so even though I have the documented proof of not scamming anyone that type of streaming titan makes a tiny little comment and it's automatically true.
On February 15 2016 20:54 fealx wrote: Grounds for De-Featuring:
1. On-stream conduct determined unacceptable to Team Liquid. This includes acts of racism, homophobia, hate speech, and general assholery
so avilo should not be featured
Let's just say avilo's case is a... difficult one.
Literally not a single game ends without him having called his opponent at least a "fucking idiot" on stream, and usually through in game chat bm as well. And he literally does not lose a single game without blaming it on game imbalance, stream cheating or hacking. I know that he has consistent viewership but seriously guys, I just can't see how supporting this behaviour is doing esports or SC2 any good whatsoever.
Not worth replying because haters will hate regardless. But i'll reply anyways because i want to reply to 2nd guy: a) @ first guy you probably don't watch my stream as i do none of those things, nor would i ever. b) @ 2nd guy again, not true, no matter how much you or the lil hater squad wants it to be. If i did that every single game i would literally have no viewers. All of that is highly overexaggerated.
To be fair to me, in the past there were a fuckton of players that were purposely sniping me to get reaction from me / make me rage etc. Any streamer that has a viewer base of 200+ viewer will tell you at some point they have been stream sniped. It happened to me a lot and got pretty annoying - i was always pretty up front about it i mean what can i do if i play 4 guys in a row that all are proxy 3 raxing me on a 4 player map with no scv scout (this type of shit has happened before -_-).
I've learned from it though (and listened to feedback) and toned it down and don't let it bother me as much when it does happen, though i think at this point it's pretty much a meme that people will perpetuate regardless lol - i don't really often call out snipers/hackers so much tho sometimes i will joke about it on stream and the 2 people there that don't understand sarcasm will post about it.
I'd like to think i'm a pretty good + consistent SC2 streamer that provides high level gameplay, unique style, and good commentary + humor to boot :D
Not much else to say, hope you change your mind and give my stream another try :D
edit: p.s. ik you may not personally like me but i really do not think it's a good idea to start witch hunting more community members (yes i consider myself part of the SC2 community). I mean if people wanna keep trying to drive every single personality / player out of SC2 then ok @_@
On February 16 2016 01:17 BamBam wrote: really now avilo? I do believe it is you who outright started by calling ME a hacker - no more than a week ago actually. (Nevermind that I stream my games) outright blatant calls of hacking with no evidence and just verbal diarrhea to make yourself seem like a better player isn't what makes for a professional streamer, nor should it be what represents TL on the featured stream list.
Is this real life? I 100% agree here that avilo should not be featured. He breaks almost every rule that is listed here, yet he claims that he doesn´t do this toxic behaviour? WTF is going on in the SC 2 community? He even called Korean Pros maphacker. He may have a healthy viewerbase but he is far far away from giving useful insight or commentary. Please TL rethink the situation about him. I can´t believe what I just read.
And what is it with this witchhunting against HTOMario recently? He is one of the most consistent Terran Streamers here on TL, with always commentating his moves and startegic decisions. Why do players like Ruff witchhunt against him to be in a better position (which I was shocked that he does something like this). We had this debate before and HTOMario asked to un-feature him so the situation cools off. Why would he be so stupid and do this again? Seriously why do streamers witchhunt other streamers just to get more viewers themselves? Which leads me to my question above: WTF is going on in the SC2 community?
I think noregret should be featured on TL, he consistently gets around 100 viewers and made WCS challenger as well. I feel that by these new standards, if noregret is ineligible, most NA players including myself, drunkenboi, koma, bails, jonsnow along with some EU players would be defeatured due to ineligibility as well.
On February 16 2016 12:59 Cobrakush wrote: I have a question. Will HTOmario still be featured? Nothing against him personally but there is proof he viewbotted.
When this issue originally appeared in March-ish of 2015, we already looked into it. Someone PM'd HTOMario that he was viewbotting Mario. Mario tried to get rid of the bots and asked for twitch's help, and then tried to find a way to remove them and find his real numbers. This all occurred before any suspicion. He was very forthright about the issue so there's no reason to believe he did it himself or that he is still doing it.
On February 16 2016 13:38 intense555 wrote: I think noregret should be featured on TL, he consistently gets around 100 viewers and made WCS challenger as well. I feel that by these new standards, if noregret is ineligible, most NA players including myself, drunkenboi, koma, bails, jonsnow along with some EU players would be defeatured due to ineligibility as well.
With how vague the new WCS system is right now (seriously, so so so vague), we're still trying to find a middle point between featuring a good number of up and comers without flooding the list with anyone that makes it to any qualifier. We might relax or tighten the featuring requirements in the future depending on how this season and next season go.
I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
On February 16 2016 12:59 Cobrakush wrote: I have a question. Will HTOmario still be featured? Nothing against him personally but there is proof he viewbotted.
When this issue originally appeared in March-ish of 2015, we already looked into it. Someone PM'd HTOMario that he was viewbotting Mario. Mario tried to get rid of the bots and asked for twitch's help, and then tried to find a way to remove them and find his real numbers. This all occurred before any suspicion. He was very forthright about the issue so there's no reason to believe he did it himself or that he is still doing it.
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
The video I offered as proof isn't from 2015 its from a couple weeks ago (I don't know how to add quotes sorry) February 6th 2016 to be exact. Maybe I misunderstood you, but the video explains about the last time this happens then goes on to prove the recent activity of viewbots. Is it that he's been forthcoming with info whenever it happens?
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
On February 16 2016 14:02 Cobrakush wrote: The video I offered as proof isn't from 2015 its from a couple weeks ago (I don't know how to add quotes sorry) February 6th 2016 to be exact. Maybe I misunderstood you, but the video explains about the last time this happens then goes on to prove the recent activity of viewbots. Is it that he's been forthcoming with info whenever it happens?
He experienced a spike in viewers a month or something ago, to around 1k-3k I believe. But since then it's gone back to normal. I seriously don't believe that someone who's already shown before that he is very proactive about keeping his stream clean would be dumb enough to use viewbots for a week abruptly and then stop. My belief isn't proof of innocence but an anomaly like the evidence provided isn't proof, either.
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?
On Avilo, yes he is a dick with his accusations of cheating against almost anyone who beats him. However he never says anything racist, homophobic or sexist from what I recall of his streams. Seems fine to feature him no matter what the thin-skinned drama queens say. As to consistency in applying the rules, well that is life in general and the website belongs to TL.
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?
Well, as much as possible we would like to avoid applying rules retrospectively because that creates a whole host of other complications. Situations like these are incredibly complex even in common law, and discerning when to apply "prospective overruling" isn't a simple matter. To label it outright as hypocrisy due to an isolated case seems disingenuous; you could read this article that explains the difficulties in applying present rules to past decisions in common law. While the article recommends that prospective overruling be used when applicable while presenting its merits, it doesn't really help much in providing insight on how to discriminate (read: not the -ism kind of discrimination) between cases.
Changing an old ruling isn't as easy as you suggest, but you are correct that some discernment—and, inevitably, discrimination—must be applied. That we've decided not to overrule our previous decision is unfortunate, and you can understandably voice your discontent (as long as it is within the forum rules).
As an aside for everyone else, I mentioned on twitter that the rule on behavior is indeed a subjective one, perhaps the only subjective rule on the entire list. It is a necessary rule of course, but one that is difficult to enforce because once applied it sets a precedent. We don't want to play mind police, and we understand that some players vent their frustrations negatively. We aren't here to act like armchair psychiatrists teaching them to be more constructive in their methods. However we do want our streamers to be on their best behavior as much as possible, making such a rule necessary. When we finally decide to ax someone because of their behavior, it won't be a debatable matter.
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?
Hence why I mentioned you only see yourself as a victim. So sad.
In response to NoRegret: As much as I dislike him I think the others have made a valid point in regards to what I mentioned on the first page. If someone has gotten as far as NoRegret did in the current WCS system and still is not featured based on their level of skill then it seems like most of NA hereafter would need to either be defeatured, or will not have any many(any?) new faces any time soon which would seem rather odd... ? >.>..
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?
Well, as much as possible we would like to avoid applying rules retrospectively because that creates a whole host of other complications. Situations like these are incredibly complex even in common law, and discerning when to apply "prospective overruling" isn't a simple matter. To label it outright as hypocrisy due to an isolated case seems disingenuous; you could read this article that explains the difficulties in applying present rules to past decisions in common law. While the article recommends that prospective overruling be used when applicable while presenting its merits, it doesn't really help much in providing insight on how to discriminate (read: not the -ism kind of discrimination) between cases.
Changing an old ruling isn't as easy as you suggest, but you are correct that some discernment—and, inevitably, discrimination—must be applied. That we've decided not to overrule our previous decision is unfortunate, and you can understandably voice your discontent (as long as it is within the forum rules).
As an aside for everyone else, I mentioned on twitter that the rule on behavior is indeed a subjective one, perhaps the only subjective rule on the entire list. It is a necessary rule of course, but one that is difficult to enforce because once applied it sets a precedent. We don't want to play mind police, and we understand that some players vent their frustrations negatively. We aren't here to act like armchair psychiatrists teaching them to be more constructive in their methods. However we do want our streamers to be on their best behavior as much as possible, making such a rule necessary. When we finally decide to ax someone because of their behavior, it won't be a debatable matter.
And now it's time that you completely remove my stream from your website and anything you have connected to me, thanks
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?
Hence why I mentioned you only see yourself as a victim. So sad.
In response to NoRegret: As much as I dislike him I think the others have made a valid point in regards to what I mentioned on the first page. If someone has gotten as far as NoRegret did in the current WCS system and still is not featured based on their level of skill then it seems like most of NA hereafter would need to either be defeatured, or will not have any many(any?) new faces any time soon which would seem rather odd... ? >.>..
I hope the PM was good news on that frront~
Moron, read the thread. You're literally the biggest faggot on this website, kill yourself.
I must be one of the few TLer that has never watched a minute of avilo/destiny/winter stream lol. I rather get my drama from TV series, pro actors are so much better than progamers
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?
Hence why I mentioned you only see yourself as a victim. So sad.
In response to NoRegret: As much as I dislike him I think the others have made a valid point in regards to what I mentioned on the first page. If someone has gotten as far as NoRegret did in the current WCS system and still is not featured based on their level of skill then it seems like most of NA hereafter would need to either be defeatured, or will not have any many(any?) new faces any time soon which would seem rather odd... ? >.>..
I hope the PM was good news on that frront~
Moron, read the thread. You're literally the biggest faggot on this website, kill yourself.
On February 16 2016 13:45 NoRegreT_ wrote: I don't understand why eligibility is changed for WCS Challenger players, Challenger used to be 32 people at one point it doesn't make sense that LITERALLY everyone besides me is already featured and you guys changed the intelligibility after I qualified for wcs. its very disappointing to qualify expecting to be recognized for a pretty good achievement just to have the minimum requirements changed after I'm eligible
check PM pls
Are you really going to just ignore the previous conversation?
For the benefit of others: ProTech's removal from featured streams was before I became an admin, and as you can all imagine, that requires a more bureaucratic (read: complicated) process. As much as I would like to give him a chance, the decision was made before my time and beyond my ability to reverse.
Ok, so are you saying that TL.net doesn't mind showcasing this type of hypocrisy?
Hence why I mentioned you only see yourself as a victim. So sad.
In response to NoRegret: As much as I dislike him I think the others have made a valid point in regards to what I mentioned on the first page. If someone has gotten as far as NoRegret did in the current WCS system and still is not featured based on their level of skill then it seems like most of NA hereafter would need to either be defeatured, or will not have any many(any?) new faces any time soon which would seem rather odd... ? >.>..
I hope the PM was good news on that frront~
Moron, read the thread. You're literally the biggest faggot on this website, kill yourself.
and this is the difference between proTech and avilo
Wow what a ride, thought Avilo was going to be the theme of this one but ProTech took the reigns and ran with it. I never watched any of the "hateful" progamers, I find it more entertaining to watch players like HerO and huk whos play style is entertaining
On February 16 2016 22:17 Salteador Neo wrote: ^ Welp that ended well.
I must be one of the few TLer that has never watched a minute of avilo/destiny/winter stream lol. I rather get my drama from TV series, pro actors are so much better than progamers
On February 16 2016 22:17 Salteador Neo wrote: ^ Welp that ended well.
I must be one of the few TLer that has never watched a minute of avilo/destiny/winter stream lol. I rather get my drama from TV series, pro actors are so much better than progamers
I haven't watched Destiny's stream either, but man, that man is smart. He's like one of this ranting comedians, he says the exact thing I would say if anyone was listening to me (Bill Burr comes to my mind, though Destiny isn't that funny)
I really like his view on things. (I watch him on the TLG(The Long Game) show)
Changing an old ruling isn't as easy as you suggest
ps: there is also hate speech as a subjective rule especially if your servers are in the USA
@Charoisaur I watch it every year, dont you?
Where are you from that you was able to watch winter? Because in Czech Republic was freezing literally for a month. The whole December looked like early November, the beginning of January looked like later December, then we had maybe 3 weeks of freezing and a little bit of snow, and the last 2 weeks it looks like winter is over. It's sunny, not freezing, more or less nice weather slightly around 5 °C. (it's not freezing even through the night)
i dont really care much about no regret and avilo, but one thing is for certain. protech must not be featured. he even deserves a full on ban from twitch imo.
Moron, read the thread. You're literally the biggest faggot on this website, kill yourself.
On February 17 2016 02:23 evolsiefil wrote: i dont really care much about no regret and avilo, but one thing is for certain. protech must not be featured. he even deserves a full on ban from twitch imo.
And Protech had all of the reasons to be on his best behavior in this thread... I find it interesting that, for a lot, a big part of being a featured streamer seems to be view botting or saying inflammatory things. We all try to justify why this is a good thing when it comes to streaming. The entertainment! I'd just like to see more consistency. So, my idea is -- instead of banning Protech, start a featured posters list. Man, I'd love nothing more than to simply be able to click on Protechs name, on a sidebar, when he is logged on, and just follow his posts.
Think about the forum views! The extra ad revenue possibilities. I have a dream that one day TL.net will resemble the X-17 channel. I have popcorn that I'm dying to eat. I just need talented entertainers to set the mood.
Im all for free speech but in regards to Destiny, the overly frequent use of taking the serious medical condition of autism & using it in derogatory ways is not only a bit disturbing but after the millionth time a bit old. I used to love his stream years ago, laughing hysterically at his trollish antics, but these days i find it tiring & somewhat offensive with no backbone or tact. He's not like that all the time & Idk if he fills the criteria for being defeatured but i myself simply choose not to watch him anymore.
Just caught a few minutes of Protech's twitch stream while browsing through different ones. He was sitting in the dark, educating himself on how the First Amendment works by briefly skimming Wikipedia and other online resources. While blowing smoke clouds from his vaporizer and using all the limited slurs he could think of against TL. Can't teach stupid.
Avilo's stream is pretty entertaining, in an extremely morbid and emotionally unhinged sort of way. A small portion of his viewers are love-stricken fanboys who see him as their god. A larger portion are the typical T fans who think Blizzard is forever out to screw them and DK personally goes out of his way to make their life miserable. And the vast majority are folks like me, who occasionally enjoy seeing interesting and unorthodox, fairly high level mech play. Made vastly more watchable by the ranting and paranoid personality performing it with a bunk-bed as the backdrop. Hearing everyone classified incessantly as varying forms of 'autistic' is dull though. You should think up previously unknown insults to BM your opponents with!
I've watched Winter's streams and never found them interesting. His personality is bland and he looks pretty zonked out generally. Decent ability for ladder and it is nice to see all the races played. Has some good insight. Have no proof and don't care either way, but his numbers are clearly odd still. Just watched a few minutes of a nice long ZvP game he won. And well over 1000 viewers, and the same 3-4 huge fanboy subs the only ones talking in chat the entire time.
On February 17 2016 08:54 Orr wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Protech's twitch stream while browsing through different ones. He was sitting in the dark, educating himself on how the First Amendment works by briefly skimming Wikipedia and other online resources. While blowing smoke clouds from his vaporizer and using all the limited slurs he could think of against TL. Can't teach stupid.
Avilo's stream is pretty entertaining, in an extremely morbid and emotionally unhinged sort of way. A small portion of his viewers are love-stricken fanboys who see him as their god. A larger portion are the typical T fans who think Blizzard is forever out to screw them and DK personally goes out of his way to make their life miserable. And the vast majority are folks like me, who occasionally enjoy seeing interesting and unorthodox, fairly high level mech play. Made vastly more watchable by the ranting and paranoid personality performing it with a bunk-bed as the backdrop. Hearing everyone classified incessantly as varying forms of 'autistic' is dull though. You should think up previously unknown insults to BM your opponents with!
I've watched Winter's streams and never found them interesting. His personality is bland and he looks pretty zonked out generally. Decent ability for ladder and it is nice to see all the races played. Has some good insight. Have no proof and don't care either way, but his numbers are clearly odd still. Just watched a few minutes of a nice long ZvP game he won. And well over 1000 viewers, and the same 3-4 huge fanboy subs the only ones talking in chat the entire time.
Hehe, well put.
I have watched their streams as well in the past, just to see what the fuss was about (except for Protech's). Both Avilo's and Destiny's appeal I can see but I have no idea why people would watch Winter. I am typing this while I'm watching MorroW, he has a nice stream. It's getting viewducked tho..
Ah, these threads never fail to deliver. Pretty much always get Avilo and Protech being upset. Only thing missing now is someone asking for someone whose name rhymes with wombatex to get unbanned.
On February 17 2016 08:54 Orr wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Protech's twitch stream while browsing through different ones. He was sitting in the dark, educating himself on how the First Amendment works by briefly skimming Wikipedia and other online resources. While blowing smoke clouds from his vaporizer and using all the limited slurs he could think of against TL. Can't teach stupid.
Avilo's stream is pretty entertaining, in an extremely morbid and emotionally unhinged sort of way. A small portion of his viewers are love-stricken fanboys who see him as their god. A larger portion are the typical T fans who think Blizzard is forever out to screw them and DK personally goes out of his way to make their life miserable. And the vast majority are folks like me, who occasionally enjoy seeing interesting and unorthodox, fairly high level mech play. Made vastly more watchable by the ranting and paranoid personality performing it with a bunk-bed as the backdrop. Hearing everyone classified incessantly as varying forms of 'autistic' is dull though. You should think up previously unknown insults to BM your opponents with!
I've watched Winter's streams and never found them interesting. His personality is bland and he looks pretty zonked out generally. Decent ability for ladder and it is nice to see all the races played. Has some good insight. Have no proof and don't care either way, but his numbers are clearly odd still. Just watched a few minutes of a nice long ZvP game he won. And well over 1000 viewers, and the same 3-4 huge fanboy subs the only ones talking in chat the entire time.
Thx br0. Just to address the word autistic - yeh i already stopped saying it no worries lol :D i realized it doesn't sound too classy. There are better more general words that can be found to express those moments of frustration lol. Though nowadays i'm sure people will find someway to be offended one way or the other :D
Now there are 200 viewbots on ProTechs stream since it started, I guess he has someone to bot him now that he can't get viewers from TL and to stay on topic, I agree and disagree with everyone.
On February 17 2016 08:54 Orr wrote: Just caught a few minutes of Protech's twitch stream while browsing through different ones. He was sitting in the dark, educating himself on how the First Amendment works by briefly skimming Wikipedia and other online resources. While blowing smoke clouds from his vaporizer and using all the limited slurs he could think of against TL. Can't teach stupid.
Avilo's stream is pretty entertaining, in an extremely morbid and emotionally unhinged sort of way. A small portion of his viewers are love-stricken fanboys who see him as their god. A larger portion are the typical T fans who think Blizzard is forever out to screw them and DK personally goes out of his way to make their life miserable. And the vast majority are folks like me, who occasionally enjoy seeing interesting and unorthodox, fairly high level mech play. Made vastly more watchable by the ranting and paranoid personality performing it with a bunk-bed as the backdrop. Hearing everyone classified incessantly as varying forms of 'autistic' is dull though. You should think up previously unknown insults to BM your opponents with!
I've watched Winter's streams and never found them interesting. His personality is bland and he looks pretty zonked out generally. Decent ability for ladder and it is nice to see all the races played. Has some good insight. Have no proof and don't care either way, but his numbers are clearly odd still. Just watched a few minutes of a nice long ZvP game he won. And well over 1000 viewers, and the same 3-4 huge fanboy subs the only ones talking in chat the entire time.
Thx br0. Just to address the word autistic - yeh i already stopped saying it no worries lol :D i realized it doesn't sound too classy. There are better more general words that can be found to express those moments of frustration lol. Though nowadays i'm sure people will find someway to be offended one way or the other :D
I have an autistic son - I don't find your use or anyone else's use of the word in a derogatory fashion as offensive, but rather wish there was more awareness for the affliction. Maybe then would there be less use of words like "cancer" and "autistic" to describe various individuals who are playing a video game.
Perhaps to bolster your opinion on this you should educate the masses that view your stream with the reasons why you no longer use the word, and maybe even tell them a little about autism?
On February 16 2016 01:21 lichter wrote: well this thread is going to be fun, i can already tell
I would love to see how does the "ban user" icon look like on a TL admin menu. Screenshot please ? ^_^
I was tempted to press it
My OCD can't handle the longest/shorter/shortest/longer ban duration order here.
Ok so are there different tiers of moderators?
Say Mod A bans Felicity for whoring on the forums, but Mod B discovers that Felicity was merely into body art. Does Mod B need to contact Mod A to reverse the ban? Can Mod B do it without A's knowledge? Or would an admin have to step in?
In my mind right now it works something liek dis: (top to bottom, most powerful to least powerful)
1. Nazgul 2. R1CH 3. Admins 4. Mods
Please satisfy the curiosity of those of us that will never become mods, please deliver...
I have a question. Isn't it a bit inconsistent to have those (relatively) strict requirements for sc2 streams but not for BW streams? Right now my stream sidebar displays 11 BW streams below 100 viewer count and only 3 sc2 streams in total (one of them in Russian). It doesn't bother me at all and even if it would I'm sure there is an option to hide BW streams somewhere in my profile settings so it's not a problem to me. I'm just curious.
On February 18 2016 01:33 Sent. wrote: I have a question. Isn't it a bit inconsistent to have those (relatively) strict requirements for sc2 streams but not for BW streams? Right now my stream sidebar displays 11 BW streams below 100 viewer count and only 3 sc2 streams in total (one of them in Russian). It doesn't bother me at all and even if it would I'm sure there is an option to hide BW streams somewhere in my profile settings so it's not a problem to me. I'm just curious.
Different games different requirements of course. Scenes are different in size, and for BW it's almost all Korean pros and ex-pros.
I, for one, find ProTechs stream entertaining and with all the 1v1 streams I find 2v2 a niche that is fun to watch. Clearly a meltdown by PT in here, but after trying to reasonably argue his case and being met by what I see as slightly silly explanations I can kind of see why.
Where can we read the requirements for streaming BW? I've been toying with the idea for some time now, since I'm focused on really climbing the ladder which might be helpful to beginners.
On February 17 2016 09:33 Penev wrote: ...but I have no idea why people would watch Winter...
He is GM, and when he is not in try hard mode he has commentary. I can look at serious streamers of high end gamers like huk/state/polt/etc but sometimes I am in the mood to watch sometimes less serious.
Some of his trolls games are also kind of funny. Like one game he dropped vikings, or another he built a lot of bunkers side by side to quickly 'teleport' units across the map. Those type of silly things can be entertaining.
I am sure a lot of gold and lower leagues also learn from him.
And of course, one day I hope to win a giveaway from him
Some of his trolls games are also kind of funny. Like one game he dropped vikings, or another he built a lot of bunkers side by side to quickly 'teleport' units across the map. Those type of silly things can be entertaining.
I didnt kown that even winter can troll at GM level. I though only dragon had that skill^^
Some of his trolls games are also kind of funny. Like one game he dropped vikings, or another he built a lot of bunkers side by side to quickly 'teleport' units across the map. Those type of silly things can be entertaining.
I didnt kown that even winter can troll at GM level. I though only dragon had that skill^^
The last time I watched(to see who is winter, he was a big topic back then) he was trolling diamond/low master level players. Don't know how about now, but that is assholery if you ask me, but I don't watch streams, so I don't care who's featured or not.
I was directed to post here by DrAeromi on my stream, so here goes:
I've been streaming consistently over the last couple months and I focus on commentary and stream-of-consciousness talking about the game as I play it. I'm a GM terran on NA, made GM on KR last season, and I've been consistently hitting upwards of 100 viewers when I stream.
I've been on TL for so long and it's always been a pipe dream of mine to get my stream featured. I'm hoping you'll at least consider me for a feature, or if not, let me know what I can do to improve my chances.
After spending a lot of time considering our new requirements due to the dissolution of last year's challenger league (turning it into something wholly indistinguishable), I developed a headache. How do we continue to feature some of the up and coming players in SC2 without diluting the value of featured streams? The lack of a proper challenger league and the fact that there are no leagues any more—just qualifiers for big weekenders each season with no announced player retention—it became obvious that it would be impossible to please everyone.
As such, we believe that the current requirements, with one change, will, in the long run, be what's best. Since WCS Circuit events now give greater opportunity for foreigners to make it big, we've lowered the bar so that more young, hot players can reach it. Now, all players that earn WCS points from premier tournaments will be eligible to be featured (as long as they actually stream sometimes). While this is still not as lenient as last year's, there was no way to draw a fair and objective line in the various regional qualifiers. It would not be fair to handpick EU or NA regions and not have the same requirements for smaller regions. It's a big headache, but that's the format.
Lastly, we're still open to finding ways to feature up and coming players, so if you have ideas, hit me up.
Lastly, we're still open to finding ways to feature up and coming players, so if you have ideas, hit me up
You could look at the players "brand". Like do people know an X player if you just mention them by name etc. Another way to feature up'n'comming players is to lower the requirement of feature to top 32 in a premier tournament (which is the current playoff-bracket in the new WCS system).
I wanted to put in a more subjective measure like you suggested, but I'm worried that people will accuse me of favoritism. That will deeeefinitely happen.
I have one more trick up my sleeve for next month tho
Due to the recent WCS changes, it became necessary for us to revisit the featured streamer requirements and adjust them for the new system in 2016. Sadly, the new system has a Challenger league that is of no use for helping us feature new and up-coming-streamers in an objective and fair way. If we were to feature every single streamer that made the various Challenger leagues around the globe, then it would effectively make the list meaningless. However, we would have been accused of favoritism if we decided to pick some and not others who had similar qualifications.
After much contemplation, I've decided that the best way to go about this is to have a small list of "temporary featured streamers of the month", where we give a temporary feature to the streamers on the cusp of making the list due to their qualifications (tournament placings, quality of work, streamer numbers, etc). Their feature will last for an entire month, and if they are able to prove that that they deserve to stay featured then they will stay featured. It becomes imperative, then, for these streamers to continue working on their streams during this period in order to stay on the list.
Temporary Featured Streamers of the Month
3 streamers per month, lasts the entire month
Chosen from on-the-cusp streamers and pro players who stream often
Preference will be given to streamers from different regions, if possible
Feature can be revoked should the streamer go inactive, exhibit unacceptable behavior, or viewbot/cheat/hack
Feature expires at the end of the month
If the streamer maintains 150+ viewers for a majority of the period, he will keep his featured status
If the streamer's numbers do not improve, then he will lose his featured status
Previous Temporary Featured Streamers may be featured again
For the month of April, I've chosen the following three streamers
deth - If you follow Maynarde on twitter at all, then you should know about deth.
NoRegret - The Canadian zerg is off to Korea to follow his dreams, and practicing at the MVP house is certain to teach him a thing or two. He's also a popular streamer, and worth checking out.
Lillekanin - While he has had a spotty record in the past, we always try to give second chances. He is one of the more experienced players in premier tournaments currently not on the list, so he definitely has the skill.
Okay so, fuzic is finally fixed so I can actually do this. Yay
Last month, we featured deth, NoRegret and Lillekanin. After an intense month of streaming, we believe that deth and NoRegret have largely deserved their right to stay featured. While I will still be monitoring them in the coming weeks to make sure they keep it up, they will stay featured for the time being. Good job guys! As for Lillekanin, he simply did not stream enough this month. While we can revist him in the future, for now, he's back out of the list.
For May (okay we're a few days late), we have decided to temporarily feature the following streamers
Sylvanas - I looked at the streamers with the highest average views, and she was the highest one that wasn't featured. Seems like a good enough reason to me!
Indystracraft - He was up there to, so this also makes sense.
TheoMikkelsen - Theo has been helping out a lot with TLStrat, and his strategy posts in the forums are some of the best. He promised me he'd start streaming again, and I think you should watch him. If he doesn't stream a lot this month I'm going to kill him.
And there you have it, two new permanent featured streams, and three more for the future.
In the future feel free to give me a heads-up via PM or so if there's something wrong with Fuzic, there are periods where I can't/don't check it (or TL) very often so if something goes wrong I may miss it for weeks (as was the case in April).
Because I was late last month, and then on vacation. This has occurred a little later than usual. Eventually it'll line up with a normal month again, and then no one will notice. This month, we're keeping everyone from last month, except Theo remains on probation because I'm still not sure about his consistency yet. So, we'll be adding two new temporary featured streams: EnDerr and BRAT_OK. Both are long time progamers with a healthy fanbase, so they should have no trouble staying featured. Hopefully, they stream a lot this month and make it!
So I waited to fix the month schedule, because yeah, doing it in the middle of the month for a few months was kinda confusing.
So, for this month, we're first featuring PandaBearMe and Probe. Both players have been doing well this year with qualifying for events and WCS Challenger, so it's about time we gave them a look.
The third streamer is someone very familiar to TL, Pokebunny. He's been doing very well since he got back into streaming again, and we think he deserves your attention.
so why is some one like Avilo featured who calls legit players hackers on stream and BM's the hell out of everyone??? but not Jason? makes no sense. think u need an new person at this job
On September 14 2016 10:00 Vaughan_Shlaya wrote: so why is some one like Avilo featured who calls legit players hackers on stream and BM's the hell out of everyone??? but not Jason? makes no sense. think u need an new person at this job
I know you're just a 1 post troll account or what not but i'll respond anyways since i wanna offer my 2 cents.
Years back, the featured stream requirements were reaaaaaaallly crazy and really exclusive - to the detriment of promoting SC2 in general.
It took a long time to get featured on TL, even with like 800+ viewers at one point lol. But i've showed my dedication to SC2 and despite my troll-like on-stream nature sometimes...i am pretty sure i also prove my dedication to the TL community too and that i can provide a lot of value as a featured streamer.
Anyways, a bit after that the TL feature stream requirements were revised to be a lot more relaxed (and fair imo) which i think benefited bringing more SC2 streamers to become known like fenner and others afterwards.
The requirements waaaaaaay back b4 i got featured were insane. Nowadays i think if you're an SC2 streamer, and really active on the TL site, and show your dedication and get a good view count too...i think you have a very good chance to get featured on TL.
Trust me, i do not take for granted that TL featured me here it was a big deal for me years ago and still is today. I am going to be doing a few written guides (old school written hehe) about mech for the new SC2 patch in the next week or two. That's probably a good way to show appreciation for being featured or getting featured - just provide value back to TL and the SC2 community in general.
I'd think people that want to be featured should probably do the same ^_^ i don't know what TL staff thinks about that but i'm sure if you add value to the site someway via guides/content that can help your case ^_^
On September 14 2016 10:00 Vaughan_Shlaya wrote: so why is some one like Avilo featured who calls legit players hackers on stream and BM's the hell out of everyone??? but not Jason? makes no sense. think u need an new person at this job
I'll tell you why. For the past years, Avilo is the most consistent SC2 streamer, disregarding some rare occasions, he streams pretty much every day. Not to mention that he's probably the only person in this community that provides real entertainment to his stream (managing to get you involved emotionally). I have yet to see a more vocal , passionate, with right in your face opinions that aren't always "politically correct" streamer. Disregarding his high level gameplay shown in his stream, and his stubbornness in using Mech and sometimes questionable judgement , Avilo is here to stay, as a featured streamer, he does add COLOUR and value to this bleak corner of the world.
On September 14 2016 10:00 Vaughan_Shlaya wrote: so why is some one like Avilo featured who calls legit players hackers on stream and BM's the hell out of everyone??? but not Jason? makes no sense. think u need an new person at this job
I'll tell you why. For the past years, Avilo is the most consistent SC2 streamer, disregarding some rare occasions, he streams pretty much every day. Not to mention that he's probably the only person in this community that provides real entertainment to his stream (managing to get you involved emotionally). I have yet to see a more vocal , passionate, with right in your face opinions that aren't always "politically correct" streamer. Disregarding his high level gameplay shown in his stream, and his stubbornness in using Mech and sometimes questionable judgement , Avilo is here to stay, as a featured streamer, he does add COLOUR and value to this bleak corner of the world.
Does it really matter? Nobody listen to him or take him seriously (thank god to that) and his things regarding starcraft balance has been proven totally wrong everytime he wrote something here, so i guess him being featured is just a little compensation for this. Also add everything you said about streaming, sadly its not about the gameplay anymore...
On September 14 2016 10:00 Vaughan_Shlaya wrote: so why is some one like Avilo featured who calls legit players hackers on stream and BM's the hell out of everyone??? but not Jason? makes no sense. think u need an new person at this job
I'll tell you why. For the past years, Avilo is the most consistent SC2 streamer, disregarding some rare occasions, he streams pretty much every day. Not to mention that he's probably the only person in this community that provides real entertainment to his stream (managing to get you involved emotionally). I have yet to see a more vocal , passionate, with right in your face opinions that aren't always "politically correct" streamer. Disregarding his high level gameplay shown in his stream, and his stubbornness in using Mech and sometimes questionable judgement , Avilo is here to stay, as a featured streamer, he does add COLOUR and value to this bleak corner of the world.
Also add everything you said about streaming, sadly its not about the gameplay anymore...
On September 14 2016 10:00 Vaughan_Shlaya wrote: so why is some one like Avilo featured who calls legit players hackers on stream and BM's the hell out of everyone??? but not Jason? makes no sense. think u need an new person at this job
I'll tell you why. For the past years, Avilo is the most consistent SC2 streamer, disregarding some rare occasions, he streams pretty much every day. Not to mention that he's probably the only person in this community that provides real entertainment to his stream (managing to get you involved emotionally). I have yet to see a more vocal , passionate, with right in your face opinions that aren't always "politically correct" streamer. Disregarding his high level gameplay shown in his stream, and his stubbornness in using Mech and sometimes questionable judgement , Avilo is here to stay, as a featured streamer, he does add COLOUR and value to this bleak corner of the world.
Does it really matter? Nobody listen to him or take him seriously (thank god to that) and his things regarding starcraft balance has been proven totally wrong everytime he wrote something here, so i guess him being featured is just a little compensation for this. Also add everything you said about streaming, sadly its not about the gameplay anymore...
I presume you're a person who judge a person by his popularity and not about his true value. And if i recall correctly , he was pretty much on point with every "changes" this game suffered in the past.
i don't know what TL staff thinks about that but i'm sure if you add value to the site someway via guides/content that can help your case ^_^
You add no value. Really none. You have the worst personalty ever in SC2. I'm sure the community would prefer Deezer and CombatX to you. At least they admitted to being villains rather than always playing the innocent card. You honestly call 75% of players you play against hackers. This simply means 75% of players you play against have a better understanding of the game than you do.
And I actually used to watch you like 3 years ago. Then you hit your head or something and just became a nuisance. Avilo shouldn't be featured. And if he is the site should have a feature to block/hide streams like this. If this is already a feature, please someone let me know. I don't even like seeing his name on a site that I visit daily.
i don't know what TL staff thinks about that but i'm sure if you add value to the site someway via guides/content that can help your case ^_^
You add no value. Really none. You have the worst personalty ever in SC2. I'm sure the community would prefer Deezer and CombatX to you. At least they admitted to being villains rather than always playing the innocent card. You honestly call 75% of players you play against hackers. This simply means 75% of players you play against have a better understanding of the game than you do.
And I actually used to watch you like 3 years ago. Then you hit your head or something and just became a nuisance. Avilo shouldn't be featured. And if he is the site should have a feature to block/hide streams like this. If this is already a feature, please someone let me know. I don't even like seeing his name on a site that I visit daily.
After going through the stream lists and stats over the past few weeks I think I've pretty much featured most of the deserving ones, with one person standing out remaining. Obviously that's Juggernautjason, one of the newer streamers playing at a high level and with good numbers. So yup, it's finally happening, I'm giving him a feature, and hopefully he can get even better.
Among those I'm monitoring are UpATree, a newish streamer, or at least someone who I've only noticed recently. If you guys have other suggestions for people to watch out for make sure to mention them here.
Appreciate the feature lichter and everyone that suggested me up! its a huge honor and I'm definitely looking forward to streaming more and growing my channel. I'm also glad to hear you are watching UpATrees channel! He is super consistent, well mannered, and also has the memes! Thanks again fam <3
The more Canadians featured the better! Is JuggernautJason a word play on Jason and the Argonauts?
On September 17 2016 10:56 Noobricorn wrote: And I actually used to watch you like 3 years ago. Then you hit your head or something and just became a nuisance. Avilo shouldn't be featured. And if he is the site should have a feature to block/hide streams like this. If this is already a feature, please someone let me know. I don't even like seeing his name on a site that I visit daily.
Does TL.Net have a concussion protocol for the blow to the head he received? a notable change in personality is a symptom.
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but, Please remove Avilo from the featured streams list. He contributes next to nothing to the community, attempts to exploit his viewers for money and does nothing but complain, scream and yell about how unfun the game is in the most obnoxious voice ever. I think my IQ level has dropped double digits just from viewing his stream. He also accuses every single opponent of hacking and stream cheating. Avilo is the worst example of an SC2 player and should be removed ASAPLY. Heading to the doctor now to see if his mild retardation rubbed off on me....
On October 12 2016 07:50 ReachTheSky wrote: Not sure if this is the right place for this, but, Please remove Avilo from the featured streams list. He contributes next to nothing to the community, attempts to exploit his viewers for money and does nothing but complain, scream and yell about how unfun the game is in the most obnoxious voice ever. I think my IQ level has dropped double digits just from viewing his stream. He also accuses every single opponent of hacking and stream cheating. Avilo is the worst example of an SC2 player and should be removed ASAPLY. Heading to the doctor now to see if his mild retardation rubbed off on me....
1. Why do you watch his stream if u don't like him? 2. Personal aversion towards someone you simply don't like bcuz of his attitude is just between you and him/ her. 3. Be careful with accusations.
seeing as i love to "pay attention to outcomes" ...
On September 15 2016 02:58 avilo wrote: I am going to be doing a few written guides (old school written hehe) about mech for the new SC2 patch in the next week or two. That's probably a good way to show appreciation for being featured or getting featured - just provide value back to TL and the SC2 community in general.
when do you think we'll be seeing the first in this series of written guides, sir? as a lover of all things Terran i'm really looking forward to the first in the series of guides; i'm sure hundreds of Terran players in your fan base feels the same way.
So as you all know, there has been a sudden influx of new popular streamers with the exit of KeSPA in SC2. A lot of Korean pros have begun streaming, and it has had two effects on our featured streams list. The first is that we've added over 10 new names to the list. The second is that it has taken away viewers from some of the other featured streamers. Now, when we originally devised this plan to feature more streamers, it was at a time when the featured streams list was comparatively small. Nowadays, we can have up to a dozen featured streamers at the same time. While that's great for the game, it also makes the list a little too long and cumbersome.
I tried to think of a way to continue featuring deserving players while ensuring that the sidebar isn't flooded. I came up with a few ideas, but none of them were very good or easy to implement. However, we still want to give streamers their due.
So, we're going to adopt a solution similar to what we did for Brood War. We'll continue promoting streamers to featured streams, but we'll only show the top 10 streamers above the cut. Clicking the "show more" button will show everyone else. I think this is a good balance between giving streamers a small spotlight (since they have the opportunity to show up on the sidebar), creating a little competition (to reach the top 10), and ensuring that the sidebar remains functional and uncluttered. We'll be implementing it soon.
I'll be spending the next few days promoting a few people to featured streams, so if you know of a few deserving streamers I should keep an eye on make sure to tell me about them.
Content producer or community member that has contributed a lot to the scene, who has at least 100-150 viewers
I think Maynarde may enter this category, not sure about his viewership right now though.
Anyway, he has started a show aimed at helping low level player, which is something important in my opinion, there are not many stream to watch when you really want to learn the basics, apart from PiG's beginer sessions.
Still waiting for my legendary featured stream here ^^ Full time or part time progamer that has earned WCS points from a premier tournament, im fine i think?
My name is Nick 'Silky' and I was wondering if my stream could be promoted to the featured tab. I am a current part-time progamer and I feel that I have attained these requirements:
1. Full time or part time progamer that has made a WCS Championship appearance (Winter, Spring, Summer)
As I went to Dreamhack Austin this year and competed.
3.Full time or part time progamer that has earned WCS points from a premier tournament
As I have qualified for NA challenger now for WCS Austin and WCS Jonkoping.
I read about you only featuring the top 10 at a time and I am completely ok with that. I really hope you will consider putting me on the list as I am really trying to get myself more exposed as I get better and I think that my stream is a good way to do that.
Hello. I wanted to inquire if I was relevant enough for a TL stream feature.
I am a content producer for Starcraft 2. The events I run typically reach anywhere between 100 to 700 viewers without hosts and can exceed those numbers with them. One of the events I run known as Ladder Heroes is sponsored by Blizzard.
I've also been fortunate enough to have commentated a premier WCS event this year(WCS Valencia 2017) and a variety of larger grassroot LAN events like Kings of the North and Cheeseadelphia.
I will admit some of my other streams are below the standards for the viewer expectations when I am laddering or playing non-starcraft games(roughly hitting around 50 average viewers recently).
Is this enough to be featured or should I ask again another time?
EPT
I love this time of year.
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