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We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.
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On January 30 2016 02:12 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:59 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 30 2016 01:45 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake. Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof. Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this? Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
That's what I thought/ think about that as well.
Wouldn't it be possible the prosecution did this to all people who got voided bets on their matches btw? Only this time it became public because Life had to play. Wolf's tweet seems to suggest that.
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On January 30 2016 02:07 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote:
As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris.
But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing.
Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing interesting
Very.
I would hate to think that it's true, but i agree with a 0 tolerance attitude for this sort of thing.
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I really hope nothing comes of this. I don't think I can stand another savior scenario.
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On January 30 2016 01:50 Harem wrote:
At least we can all take solace in the fact that Roro has always been innocent and never did anything wrong.
RorO? Slayer of FPL runs? Hardly innocent.
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On January 30 2016 02:19 Sapphire.lux wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 02:07 goody153 wrote:On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote:
As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris.
But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing.
Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing interesting Very. I would hate to think that it's true, but i agree with a 0 tolerance attitude for this sort of thing.
Yeah sadly if this was proven true sympathy is difficult since matchfixing kinda kills the point of competition.
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On January 30 2016 01:54 Shuffleblade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 30 2016 01:25 cheekymonkey wrote:On January 30 2016 01:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 30 2016 01:11 207aicila wrote:On January 30 2016 01:10 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably " A modicum of respect is usually expected. Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that... the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make. i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much. What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player. "pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true. if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them. remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza? if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday. I presume that if a poorely paid waitress copied your card information when you paid and stole all your money you wouldn't get angry. If the waitress stole thousands from the cashier you wouldn't find that wrong in the least, the person is after all poorly paid and therefor allowed to steal. Your values are frankly peculiar, we were probably raised very differently, you and I.
you're missing the point a little bit. yes, people who engage in illegitimate criminal activity are responsible for it. i don't think jimmyraynor is saying they're "innocent" but that there are circumstances which affect the way you judge people.
the better analogy with your waitress point is if the owner of the restaurant was running a scam to collect customers' info and using his waitresses as agents. yes, the waitresses are doing wrong, but you have to ask - are they being blackmailed for their jobs by the owner? are they doing it because they're greedy opportunists or have they truly lost hope for taking care of themselves and their kids if they don't do something drastic and stupid?
it's not the same, and there's speculation involved here, but the point is sometimes the bad guy isn't the kid selling drugs on the street but the supplier who came along and gave them the opportunity to make money and make a life that way. SOME match fixers, i'm sure, are just amoral and do it because they feel like it, just like any criminal. but sometimes you can find sympathy depending on the circumstances of a person's poor choices
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At the prosecutors office:
"Dude, there's noway that the french dude would lose to a six pool three times in a row".
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On January 30 2016 02:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Oh dear God, this is not good... I sincerely hope it turns out he did nothing wrong.
I'm going to leave it at this as well. No need to speculate until more information is gathered.
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On January 30 2016 02:12 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:59 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 30 2016 01:45 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake. Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof. Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this? Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
That's pretty much it.
I know for sure what happened to a player that was on my team that was propositioned to match fix, but it's our words against his because it happened verbally. We can't take that shit to court, even though we know he was engaging in that illicit behavior, nor can Blizzard do anything about it.
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Oh dear god no.............
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damn..
Does anyone remember any game he played that might look like an obvious throw?? I don't think I do..
Maybe his shit results in PL? I don't watch a lot of PL matches, precisely cause they are BO1's..
He's by far my favorite SC2 player of all time, and I had really high hopes for him in LotV with the fast games, the buffed lings and the added units favoring different strats & tech switches..
I really can't believe he threw games for $
If I couldn't see Life play my interest in watching SC2 would be mostly gone..
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On January 30 2016 02:07 ZombieGrub wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:45 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake. LOL OLIMO First name Olimo, last name Ley.
I seriously considered blaming my phone's auto correct, but full disclosure, I mostly know Olimoley through Olimoleague and I just subtracted the League. Sry Olivia. 
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On January 30 2016 02:12 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:59 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 30 2016 01:45 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake. Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof. Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this? Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me.
Conclusions/Assertions only work when premises/proofs are sufficient. Plus, the onus of proof is on her, because it was her who claimed the issue.
Otherwise, it is nothing but a conspiracy.
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well this is bizarre. I suspected a lot of people, but Life was not one of them.
it's gonna be hard to wait for more info...
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On January 30 2016 02:18 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 02:12 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:59 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 30 2016 01:45 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake. Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof. Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this? Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me. That's what I thought/ think about that as well. Wouldn't it be possible the prosecution did this to all people who got voided bets on their matches btw? Only this time it became public because Life had to play. Wolf's tweet seems to suggest that. https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/693066347845029888
Sounds like other people got investigated too and were found innocent. So far too early to tell life is guilty
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Wonder if he can burrow himself out of jail.
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On January 30 2016 02:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
At the prosecutors office:
"Dude, there's noway that the french dude would lose to a six pool three times in a row".
It was a pretty sad thread until this post. Now I can't stop laughing.
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Anyone knows how long you can be in custody before having legal charges made public in Korea?
In france it's 24hours in most case, then the prosecutor has to wether free you or lead you to a court that will will decide what happens next for you.
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wow, that's big. hopefully it's not a savior repeat. fingers crossed.
also, good trade for KT in the end.
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On January 30 2016 02:31 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 02:18 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 02:12 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:59 Thouhastmail wrote:On January 30 2016 01:45 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:
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bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake. Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof. Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this? Well what proof could she possibly have? I know for a fact that my friend went to play tennis yesterday, but I don't have any proof that would stand up in court. If she has heard a lot of players talk about it in the open I can imagine her frustration finally leading to an "outburst" When the SC2 scandal broke, and then she realizes that what she has probably isn't worth anything and despite the scandal, very little/nothing is going to change. I'm not saying this is the only possible interpretation of events, but it seems very plausible to me. That's what I thought/ think about that as well. Wouldn't it be possible the prosecution did this to all people who got voided bets on their matches btw? Only this time it became public because Life had to play. Wolf's tweet seems to suggest that. https://twitter.com/proxywolf/status/693066347845029888 Sounds like other people got investigated too and were found innocent. So far too early to tell life is guilty
Exactly.
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