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We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.
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HOLY SHIT. No fucking way. Please, no.
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On January 30 2016 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:25 cheekymonkey wrote:On January 30 2016 01:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 30 2016 01:11 207aicila wrote:On January 30 2016 01:10 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably " A modicum of respect is usually expected. Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that... the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make. i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much. What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player. "pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true. if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them. remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza? if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
Nice attitude. So basically, if your chosen profession is not very profitable it's okay to take criminal advantage of your position? You don't even see how this affects other players and teams, especially their sponsor based funding. Its such a self-contradictory position you present.
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On January 30 2016 01:48 cheekymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 30 2016 01:25 cheekymonkey wrote:On January 30 2016 01:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 30 2016 01:11 207aicila wrote:On January 30 2016 01:10 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably " A modicum of respect is usually expected. Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that... the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make. i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much. What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player. "pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true. if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them. remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza? if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday. Nice attitude. So basically, if your chosen profession is not very profitable it's okay to take criminal advantage of your position? You don't even see how this affects other players and teams, especially their sponsor based funding. Its such a self-contradictory position you present.
Not to mention the fact that it undermines the integrity of competition in general...
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On January 30 2016 01:32 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:28 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal. I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more. whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in out of curiousity apart from the first matchfixing what else has he been a source for?
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On January 30 2016 01:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:38 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:32 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:28 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:
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bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal. I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more. whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in Precisely. And like the time when olimoley had a breakdown on Twitter and implied that a whole bunch of players were known to be matchfixing, fairly little has come of the claim that matchfixing is more rampant than ever. If someone who isn't (as far as I know) very involved with the scene and the players knows, why has so little been proven and so few convicted? hopefully, because the system is based on innocent until proven guilty. when Declan Hill's "The Fix" was published in 2010 there was no match fixing in european football. look where we are now and look and how Mr. Hill was treated when the book came out... and how that book is regarded now. SC2 will remain very vulnerable as long as betting on the games is a far bigger payoff than actually you know... like.. playing the game at the top level.
Realistically there's match fixing in the foreign scene as well if there is enough betting going on. It's naive to assume it happens on a big scale in football and tennis but not in sc2
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At least we can all take solace in the fact that Roro has always been innocent and never did anything wrong.
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Why does SC2 attract the shadiest people in eSports? Its almost like people looting a dying corpse...
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Not like this.  Please, not like this.
Stuchiu's head might explode.
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On January 30 2016 01:44 Arvendilin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:40 Sapphire.lux wrote:On January 30 2016 01:29 PhoenixVoid wrote:
What's going on with SC2 lately things are falling apart. Nothing a Tank buff won't fix. What do u think about a tank ability where they get rocket booster beneath them and fly/hop a short distancevto reposition themself 
As long as it's an active ability i agree.
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What what what what what
Pls Life no
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On January 30 2016 01:51 Solar424 wrote:
Why does SC2 attract the shadiest people in eSports? Its almost like people looting a dying corpse...
You think there are no shady people in other sports? Come on, wise up.
Also a corpse is already dead, it can't die any further.
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On January 30 2016 01:50 Harem wrote:
At least we can all take solace in the fact that Roro has always been innocent and never did anything wrong.
LOL
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In all seriousness, if Life is found guilty of anything related to SC2 at all, I don't think the game can recover. It's got a foot in the grave already.
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On January 30 2016 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:25 cheekymonkey wrote:On January 30 2016 01:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 30 2016 01:11 207aicila wrote:On January 30 2016 01:10 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably " A modicum of respect is usually expected. Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that... the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make. i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much. What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player. "pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true. if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them. remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza? if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
I presume that if a poorely paid waitress copied your card information when you paid and stole all your money you wouldn't get angry. If the waitress stole thousands from the cashier you wouldn't find that wrong in the least, the person is after all poorly paid and therefor allowed to steal.
Your values are frankly peculiar, we were probably raised very differently, you and I.
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On January 30 2016 01:50 Harem wrote:
At least we can all take solace in the fact that Roro has always been innocent and never did anything wrong.
Don't forget Sniper.
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On January 30 2016 01:55 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:50 Harem wrote:
At least we can all take solace in the fact that Roro has always been innocent and never did anything wrong. Don't forget Sniper.
He is guilty of creating the worst GSL finals ever. IMO of course.
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As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris.
But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing.
Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
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On January 30 2016 01:45 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
Remember that she just threw some random name and trotted excuses out when people demanded proof.
Oh, did I say that an innocent streamer was screwed up because of this?
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On January 30 2016 01:57 neurego7647 wrote:
As korean I will tell about interesting information about this incident(forgive my awkward english sentences)
The point is the location of prosecutor's office: Changwon office
All korean e-sports matches are played in Seoul because influence of Seoul as capital is absolute like Paris.
But Life is interrogated in Changwon, not Seoul.
Changwon is quite far from Seoul. It is far more than 400km(=250 miles), But Changwon is quitecclose from Life's hometown.
But most interesting thing is Changwon prosecutor's office is specialized in investigating Match Fixing.
Most Sports(soccer,baseball,basketball,volleyball,starcraft...... )Match-fixing investigation have done in Changwon
That's why korean fans are suspecting Life's Match-fixing
Thanks
It's called football though
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On January 30 2016 01:55 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:50 Harem wrote:
At least we can all take solace in the fact that Roro has always been innocent and never did anything wrong. Don't forget Sniper.
and Fruitdealer
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