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We know this is a crazy and sensitive issue, especially since Life is the most high profile player to be caught up in an "investigation". But please stay calm and refrain from slandering players until we have more information. Egregious posts will be dealt with accordingly.
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On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow.
I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
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On January 30 2016 01:12 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:10 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Is it really necessary to keep him locked up though? I mean, he's not a danger to other people nor a mafioso i assume. They must have some very solid evidence to do this. is it confirmed by korean speakers that he is under arrest and being kept in holding? i didn't fully understand the debate about "brought in/questioned/under arrest". do we know for sure he's sleeping in jail?
Well, if KeSPA has prohibited him from playing games on TV until the matter is resolved, it seems like he's not really under arrest and can move freely? I don't know what kind of penal system Korea has, but appearing on televised Starcraft matches from jail strikes me as highly unlikely.
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On January 30 2016 01:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:11 207aicila wrote:On January 30 2016 01:10 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably " A modicum of respect is usually expected. Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that... the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make. i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much.
What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
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On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
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On January 30 2016 01:23 cheekymonkey wrote:
Hope it's just an interrogation, and not any accusations. It might just be a poor way of saying that the investigators want to hear what life knows about the issue.
It's been already said that it's not very likely that it's a case where he's taken for questioning. He was arrested by prosecutor not by police.
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On January 30 2016 01:24 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:12 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:10 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Is it really necessary to keep him locked up though? I mean, he's not a danger to other people nor a mafioso i assume. They must have some very solid evidence to do this. is it confirmed by korean speakers that he is under arrest and being kept in holding? i didn't fully understand the debate about "brought in/questioned/under arrest". do we know for sure he's sleeping in jail? Well, if KeSPA has prohibited him from playing games on TV until the matter is resolved, it seems like he's not really under arrest and can move freely? I don't know what kind of penal system Korea has, but appearing on televised Starcraft matches from jail strikes me as highly unlikely.
Even if he was arrested and accused, I think it would be unlikely that they would contain him until he is sentenced anyway.
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On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal.
I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
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Ohhh shit. This isn't good for the Freecs
EDIT : I put my trust in Rekrul!!!!
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What's going on with SC2 lately things are falling apart.
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On January 30 2016 01:28 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal. I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
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On January 30 2016 00:22 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 00:04 palexhur wrote:On January 29 2016 23:45 207aicila wrote:On January 29 2016 23:26 palexhur wrote:On January 29 2016 23:08 207aicila wrote:On January 29 2016 23:05 palexhur wrote:On January 29 2016 22:50 digmouse wrote:On January 29 2016 22:46 brickrd wrote:
saying it makes no sense for a successful player to fix is the exact same thing as "why would [attractive celebrity] have to rape someone? women love him!" fyi Different case imo, this is all about money, Life isn't even remotely short of money, he made $117k from prize money alone in 2015, and I could imagine him on a huge contract at KT. Savior earned a lot of more money than life, but he was greedy, being large of money doesnt relate to be inoccent or guilty of matchfixing in SC world. Absolutely incorrect. It's well known by now that the pros involved in the BW matchfixing scandal weren't paid much for their troubles, certainly not compared to sAviOr's salary and tournament winnings. It's also known that in sAviOr's case in particular, boredom and lack of passion for the game played a big role rather than greed. You are too naive if you think that Savior did something illegal only for boredom, you build things with legos if you are bored, you dont build an illegal ring of matchfixers, and I put only Savior example so dont bring the other guys to the table. I didn't say only for boredom, but we did get figures of what they were paid to throw matches, and it's shit. Nothing compared to what you'd make by going far in a StarLeague let alone their salary... Please teach me more about a scene I've been following for over 10 years. I am out of this argument with you, it is not relevant for me anymore, and fyi I have been following, playing, and.. RTS since 1999, do your math guy. hf cya gl Can't argue with the facts so try to stage a "cool" exit huh?  And if you insist on comparing dicks, I've been following and playing RTS since whenever WarCraft 1 came out.
Young. Ever heard of Dune 2 ?
On January 30 2016 01:28 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal. I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more.
Just wait and see. Maybe it will turn out nothing. Maybe it will turn out bad. Don't get your head down for stuff we don't know yet. Rekrul did just a snark remark. Worry only if he write a full detail post.
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On January 30 2016 01:32 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:28 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal. I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more. whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
Where are you getting that from? Zealously is just saying that rekrul hasn't provided us with useful information on match fixing since BW. And his vague or weird remarks ever since don't count as breaking accurate information.
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On January 30 2016 01:25 cheekymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On January 30 2016 01:11 207aicila wrote:On January 30 2016 01:10 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S how not? if that's his genuine opinion, can't he post it? he may have stated it a bit crudely, but there is reason for fans to worry. he didn't accuse anyone, he said "probably " A modicum of respect is usually expected. Calling the entire Korean scene fuckers and implying rampant matchfixing ("probably" or not doesn't change much at this point) is not that... the reason i could never call a proven Sc2 matchfixer a negative label is how little money they make. i can't blame some of these guys for looking for a big payoff because even if they're between the 20th and 100th best player on the planet they are not getting paid much. What are you talking about? Matchfixing is destroying the scene for everyone. It's the worst thing you can do as a pro player.
"pro" ? lol. the label "pro" has some connotation about being very well paid. and that just ain't true.
if 'the scene' were making these guys well paid for making the top 100 i'd have some anger for their match-fixing ways. 'the scene' pays them very little. and then 'the scene' trashes them.
remember Tasteless earning his nickname with the joke about homeless people wandering into the studio to get the free pizza?
if people paid $600/ticket per GSL night of competition then i'd have some anger for this. likewise If I had to pay UFC style pay-per-view money each month to see the best players do their thing.. again i'd have some anger for this. As it is.. .everyone is spending no money; surprise surprise when some of these guys look for a payday.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 30 2016 01:32 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:28 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal. I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more. whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in
Precisely. And like the time when olimoley had a breakdown on Twitter and implied that a whole bunch of players were known to be matchfixing, fairly little has come of the claim that matchfixing is more rampant than ever. If someone who isn't (as far as I know) very involved with the scene and the players knows, why has so little been proven and so few convicted?
He has, regardless of my personal opinion, broken very little or no new (unique) information pertaining to anything SC2-related (matchfixing especially) that was later proven. Subtract hyperbole and maybe, but hyperbole is hardly appropriate if your intent is to deliver information.
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On January 30 2016 01:29 PhoenixVoid wrote:
What's going on with SC2 lately things are falling apart.
Yeah
retirements plus this . Though it's not proven that life is doing shady stuff, it's gonna be a disaster if it's that's true.
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On January 30 2016 01:29 PhoenixVoid wrote:
What's going on with SC2 lately things are falling apart.
Nothing a Tank buff won't fix.
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On January 30 2016 01:40 Sapphire.lux wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:29 PhoenixVoid wrote:
What's going on with SC2 lately things are falling apart. Nothing a Tank buff won't fix.
What do u think about a tank ability where they get rocket booster beneath them and fly/hop a short distancevto reposition themself
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On January 30 2016 01:38 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:32 brickrd wrote:On January 30 2016 01:28 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:26 jalstar wrote:On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says He was the original foreign source for the Savior matchfixing scandal. I know that, but we're more than half a decade down the line and he never struck me as too involved or interested in SC2 except when there's snark to be dropped. I respect his involvement in revealing the BW scandal, but not more. whether he likes sc2 or is snarky about it doesn't seem related to someone having a reputation for breaking accurate information... if someone is a legit source they're legit until you demonstrate they've made errors or fabrications. personal resentment over involvement in the scene shouldn't factor in Precisely. And like the time when olimoley had a breakdown on Twitter and implied that a whole bunch of players were known to be matchfixing, fairly little has come of the claim that matchfixing is more rampant than ever. If someone who isn't (as far as I know) very involved with the scene and the players knows, why has so little been proven and so few convicted?
hopefully, because the system is based on innocent until proven guilty.
when Declan Hill's "The Fix" was published in 2010 there was no match fixing in european football. look where we are now and look at how Mr. Hill was treated when the book came out... and how that book is regarded now.
SC2 will remain very vulnerable as long as betting on the games is a far bigger payoff than actually you know... like.. playing the game at the top level.
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On January 30 2016 01:24 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2016 01:15 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:08 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 01:06 pure.Wasted wrote:On January 30 2016 01:02 Penev wrote:On January 30 2016 00:59 Tiaraju9 wrote:
The foreigner scene all worried about the korean scene while half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing.
I know this is a stupid thing to say but the whole situation is so obnoxious. bye Bye? Rekrul basically confirmed this to be the case months ago. I've just been happy to bury my head in the sand since the PRIME scandal, and just hope it would all magically go away if we stopped talking about it. Am I missing a joke or something? How is it acceptable to say "half of these fuckers are probably matchfixing"? :-S It's not a joke. Rekrul said that match fixing is rampant in SC2, more than it ever was in BW. Two dudes and their coach is not rampant. I agree that the post was insensitive, but... eh... Whatever, I'm still hoping for the best, somehow. I don't know why people put so much faith in what Rekrul says
Well what about Olimo? She's deeply invested in the scene and my impression was that she was totally aboard the Rekrul train. She seemed very disappoited that the investigation stopped where it did. And I remember a couple of foreigners saying that when they were in Korea, match fixing was an open secret. Maybe they were just looking for attention. Olimo + Rekrul seems hard to shake.
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