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MediKing
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United States153 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 22:56:19
January 15 2016 22:41 GMT
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Apocalypse eSports is built off the love for eSports. We plan on being big contributors to the scene, starting with our passion for StarCraft 2. Expect to see all of our guys in future teamleagues and tournaments. Our goal is to accommodate our players to LAN events to compete for championships and fame.
"Good evening ladies and gentlemen! My name is Jared "Daezen" Jahnke, and I am the President and CEO of Apocalypse eSports. As you are all now aware, Apocalypse eSports was founded by myself, and a number of talented individuals with a history in this sport. Our mission, is to succeed hands down. We currently have a 2 year plan, in which time we will build our marketability, and make the organization self sustaining. With the help of our management, and the skill of our players, I have no doubts in my mind that we will do just that. The structure of our staff is one that gives each one of us our passion, and drive to do what we love. We are currently looking forward to a few upcoming events, at which point we can truely debut the talent of this amazing organization."

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CEO: Jared "Daezen" Jahnke
Director of eSports: Dillon "Hathrow" Palimaka
Director of PR: Monty "MediKing" Kelm
Talent Scout: AJ "DizZ" Shaw
Starcraft 2 Division Manager: Andrew "Zailyn" Martin
Starcraft 2 Assistant Manager: David "Warbattle" Seda

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WarreNSC2
Profile Joined April 2015
United States28 Posts
January 15 2016 22:48 GMT
#2
Nice! Hopefully this isn't another sham team.
BasetradeTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Canada1307 Posts
January 15 2016 23:00 GMT
#3
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.
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TheScriptan
Profile Joined June 2014
Lithuania152 Posts
January 15 2016 23:04 GMT
#4
On January 16 2016 07:48 WarreNSC2 wrote:
Nice! Hopefully this isn't another sham team.

So far it's not looking like one! THey look serious and promising! ^^
MediKing
Profile Joined January 2014
United States153 Posts
January 15 2016 23:15 GMT
#5
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


I was a volunteer SC2 manager for No Dice Gaming for some time, to gain my first real experiences in the scene. I helped out with the NDG Invitationals. My role was to make posts on TL, and to find foreign pro players to participate. I personally am unaware of any matchfixing? Shortly after the invitationals began, I actually left the team for my focus towards school. Still being good contacts with some of No Dice Gaming, I helped them find contacts for foreign pros and helped with liquipedia and TL because I like to do those things. If any matchfixing was happening, I was fully unaware and would be ashamed to hear of it.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 15 2016 23:16 GMT
#6
quite the large thread
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10670 Posts
January 15 2016 23:40 GMT
#7
No offense I don't expect this team to last long but best of luck regardless!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 15 2016 23:42 GMT
#8
Is this team forming because of the new WCS regulations or was this in the works for a long time?
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A_needle_jog
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
Korea (South)699 Posts
January 15 2016 23:50 GMT
#9
good luck to MajOr and Welmu (rest of people I dont know sorry )
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Hathrow
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada18 Posts
January 15 2016 23:52 GMT
#10
On January 16 2016 08:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
Is this team forming because of the new WCS regulations or was this in the works for a long time?



We did not form this team due to new regulations but they do play in our favor, and we have been in the works for a little under a month now.
Director of eSports for Apocalypse eSports
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
January 15 2016 23:55 GMT
#11
Good luck!
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
January 16 2016 00:28 GMT
#12
GL!
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
January 16 2016 00:59 GMT
#13
Oh great, another sham team that won't pay their players and the leader will go under the radar while they spend the players' money.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
January 16 2016 01:00 GMT
#14
best of luck!
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kuan888
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada305 Posts
January 16 2016 01:07 GMT
#15
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. -Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ||| Acer.Scarlett <3
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
January 16 2016 01:12 GMT
#16
On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...


No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.
kuan888
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada305 Posts
January 16 2016 01:18 GMT
#17
On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...


No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.


Just wow...
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. -Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ||| Acer.Scarlett <3
DaezenAE
Profile Joined January 2016
6 Posts
January 16 2016 01:26 GMT
#18
On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...


No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.


I would actually love to clarify this if I may.

No Dice Gaming did not give power over finances to the CEO. That alone was held by the owners of the organization. The players in the organization did not have contracts signed by the CEO, but by the owners.

In regards to the korean tournaments, I wont deny it was shady, but that, in and of itself, along with being a puppet with a title, is why my tag, and monty's will never say NDG again. As far as rigging, I was unaware of any of it, and offer my apologies to any players involved if it affected you in any way. It was not a choice made by myself or monty to run them, or to continue running them.

If anyone has legit questions, myself or monty would love to answer them to the best of our knowledge.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
January 16 2016 01:42 GMT
#19
I've made a VLOG to further explain my thoughts on this new teams and my expectations as well as my aspirations
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
GuitarBizarre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom332 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-16 01:59:48
January 16 2016 01:59 GMT
#20
On January 16 2016 10:26 DaezenAE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:
On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:
Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming, and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.

I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.


Well at least it's not Aldaris...


No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.


I would actually love to clarify this if I may.

No Dice Gaming did not give power over finances to the CEO. That alone was held by the owners of the organization. The players in the organization did not have contracts signed by the CEO, but by the owners.

In regards to the korean tournaments, I wont deny it was shady, but that, in and of itself, along with being a puppet with a title, is why my tag, and monty's will never say NDG again. As far as rigging, I was unaware of any of it, and offer my apologies to any players involved if it affected you in any way. It was not a choice made by myself or monty to run them, or to continue running them.

If anyone has legit questions, myself or monty would love to answer them to the best of our knowledge.


Several questions.

1 - I really don't get how someone can be given the job title CEO and then state that they had no control. CEOs aren't call centre managers. Their role is to be the largest single voice in the day-to-day running of an organisation. Who are you claiming had all of this executive power? "The owners" is a very vague term - If I were less charitable I might even suspect that "The owners" are a purposefully vague bogeyman, to shift blame onto.

2 - The fact you organised your 2 year plan in a month fills me with dread and worry. Good business plans don't come together that easily or quickly. What details of this plan are you prepared to share?

3 - Before you were relabelled "CEO" your job title was eSports Manager, and you replaced someone else who used the name "Blue" - Who was this person and what sort of responsibilities did you inherit then. How did those responsibilities change when your job title was changed to CEO?

4 - Your announcement states you will make the team self-sustaining. At present that seems to say that the team isn't self sustaining. What sort of capital are you intending to run your organisation on while you make this a reality? Venture capital is historically unrealiable, and even organisations as large as MLG have failed to return on VC investments. That, coupled with a shrinking SC2 scene, that has already alienated many sponsors in the past thanks to community idiocy like "Call the sponsors" becoming a trend, does not inspire me with confidence that your org will ever become self sustaining.

5 - All of the existing teams in the Starcraft scene have other squads and have massively pared back their SC2 investments in recent years. EG and Liquid both have tiny squads compared to their peaks, and have expanded into other games. To me that says the space is not profitable, but that existing investments are worthwhile for those organisations. What kind of numbers have you crunched in order to determine your potential spend on players and promotion, and in comparison, what kind of numbers do you expect to pull in from sponsorship or other sources of revenue?

6 - Have you done the background checking necessary to ensure those numbers are achievable? Your roster contains only one prominent streamer, and his reputation is already poor, meaning his capacity for stream growth is limited. Your two big names aside from him have virtually no public visibility and retain fanbases based on their longterm involvement in the scene, so their potential for growth is also limited. The rest of your squad are unknowns in an extremely stagnant space - they are extremely unlikely to suddenly explode into the scene and win tournaments, and if they don't do that then your growth will be effectively zero.

You have a good squad, but as a sponsor I would see very little potential value in the exposure your squad can bring to my product, compared to say, Destiny, who, idiocy aside, is quite capable of introducing my products to people that have never seen them.

7 - Why do you have so many staff when your organisation hasn't played a single match? What kind of workload can you possibly be giving out to that number of people at this stage?

It's all well and good saying everyone in your org has their role, but efficient small businesses require people to wear many hats and work long hours. Lots of people organised around a small amount of actual work to do will only make sure your org falls flat on it's face.

In fact, it may well be prudent to put this question to you - It's been mentioned that all your staff are paid. Lets say that tomorrow you have the choice of firing MediKing and taking on his workload yourself, or to continue paying him when you know that will lessen your workload, but will put your organisation at financial risk, but you might be able to pull through if growth figures are strong enough to cover the wage.

Which option do you take?
In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer
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