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[Interview] Flash - The Final Tale of the Ultimate Weapon…

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Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-09 22:21:36
December 09 2015 22:19 GMT
#61
Thank you OP!
Thank you flash! I hope you read it here, too!

I wish the interview was longer, I could read it all day long... It would be nice to know some more.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 09 2015 22:51 GMT
#62
On December 10 2015 07:19 Jj_82 wrote:
Thank you OP!
Thank you flash! I hope you read it here, too!

I wish the interview was longer, I could read it all day long... It would be nice to know some more.


I'm sure this is far from the last long-form interview with Flash we'll get to read over the coming weeks and months. There is so much to talk about and discuss, and so many people to ask the questions, that Flash's interview schedule could be occupied for quite some time to come.
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jinyung2
Profile Joined November 2014
Luxembourg1455 Posts
December 09 2015 23:12 GMT
#63
On December 10 2015 00:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 00:27 nanaoei wrote:
On December 09 2015 23:55 Para199x wrote:
On December 08 2015 10:44 DCStarcraftGall wrote:

One of the many questions the fans asked was about Flash’s SCBW return. Many players who had achieved stardom have lost fans due to their questionable behavior on live streams and there was concern about Flash going down that road as well.


What is this in reference to?



maybe it's something lost in translation.
i don't really follow bw-streaming aside from favourites but some of the outliers are
terror (no stardom)
jaehoon (not much stardom) for stream cheating, or something along those lines, though it wasn't a huge deal and it happened outside of an actual stream session.

the only person i can think of who could even fit the bill is bisu.
skt1 coach iloveoov made some comments about how it was unbecoming of a sc player like bisu to stream for donations. (not verbatim here, but you get the gist). although i love watching his play even on stream, it does seem a bit like a money grab. again, i don't even know if this fits the bill.

very incredibly likely i'm missing some key info, but this is why i say it might be lost in translation.


hes more or less talking about bisu but there are a few guys who have been streaming for so long and haven't succumbed to outright asking for donations, like Mind or guys like larva who now generally has a more serious attitude towards the game and therefor does not do weird stuff like jump out of a window....Really it comes down to your personal preference, if you want to be that guy who entertains for money then cool.

in the end though flash will probably stream if for no reason other than to satisfy his fans, hes just that kind of guy, my only hope is that he doesn't go "full afreeca".

really larva? I saw him a couple weeks ago on terror's stream fighting in a boxing ring against some viewer. it was the cringest shit ever lol

I think taking terror out of the discussion (because lets face it he was barely a progamer), the main root of all this "progamer loses face to earn money on afreeca" stemmed from pusan. he used to go down on all fours and crawl around the room acting like a dog for balloons shit was hilarious

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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
December 10 2015 01:06 GMT
#64
I still can't believe it
OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 01:40:36
December 10 2015 01:33 GMT
#65
On December 10 2015 00:27 nanaoei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2015 23:55 Para199x wrote:
On December 08 2015 10:44 DCStarcraftGall wrote:

One of the many questions the fans asked was about Flash’s SCBW return. Many players who had achieved stardom have lost fans due to their questionable behavior on live streams and there was concern about Flash going down that road as well.


What is this in reference to?



maybe it's something lost in translation.
i don't really follow bw-streaming aside from favourites but some of the outliers are
terror (no stardom)
jaehoon (not much stardom) for stream cheating, or something along those lines, though it wasn't a huge deal and it happened outside of an actual stream session.

the only person i can think of who could even fit the bill is bisu.
skt1 coach iloveoov made some comments about how it was unbecoming of a sc player like bisu to stream for donations. (not verbatim here, but you get the gist). although i love watching his play even on stream, it does seem a bit like a money grab. again, i don't even know if this fits the bill.

very incredibly likely i'm missing some key info, but this is why i say it might be lost in translation.



Some BW oldbies have been streaming strictly for money, screaming at cam/shaving eyebrows for money, treating viewers differently based on how much they donate, etc. Former STX Soul Terror is one of the biggest examples.

TL Wiki says he was banned from Afreeca because he competed with middle schoolers eating ramen and the ramen was too spicy. Not true. When the middle school kids lost, he sprayed Soy sauce all over them with a big tub and that got on the 9 o'clock news.


SCBW Afreeca streamers is a tentative subject since many former SC players currently stream BW.
(Sea, Bisu, Best, The Rock, JulyZerg etc), so it is natural that coaches and players are hesitant about this.
I know for a fact that recently Bisu kissed a girl on cam when a viewer donated a big sum of money.
Best lost a match vs Terror (Best gave vision and took out 1 probe after start) and shaved his eyebrows on cam.
These were the 2 most recent ones that were a big issue in DCinside Starcraft Gallery.
I am drone! My dream is Hatchery!
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 10 2015 01:40 GMT
#66
hmh i honestly think that the very negative reactions that we saw by SC2 coaches and affiliates/Spokesman of the KeSpa actually stems from the fact, that they are losing a lot of viewerbase to korean Streamers and Events like SSL and VSL in Korea. So discrediting it, could be an expression of that.

Than on the other hand it's obvious, that the very outgoing afreeca scene is kind of a "shock" to the established Pro's and Teams since it's so contradictionary to the way pro gamers normally act (very humble, upright, etc )
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 10 2015 01:43 GMT
#67
On December 10 2015 06:05 TaShadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 05:47 Zealously wrote:
On December 10 2015 05:35 TaShadan wrote:
Its quite interesting how people talking "negative" about sc2 are getting temp bans here and people bashing on BW do not even get a warning? Is this a two class community here now?


That's a rather tilted view, but any questions about moderation are best taken to Website Feedback where we can best answer them.


I have seen similar decisions in the past 1-2 years. It might still be tilted but it happend quite a lot.


i have to agree with this actually.
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OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
December 10 2015 01:43 GMT
#68
On December 10 2015 10:40 Cele wrote:
hmh i honestly think that the very negative reactions that we saw by SC2 coaches and affiliates/Spokesman of the KeSpa actually stems from the fact, that they are losing a lot of viewerbase to korean Streamers and Events like SSL and VSL in Korea. So discrediting it, could be an expression of that.

Than on the other hand it's obvious, that the very outgoing afreeca scene is kind of a "shock" to the established Pro's and Teams since it's so contradictionary to the way pro gamers normally act (very humble, upright, etc )


"however, I won’t do what the fans worry about. I promise that,"
As in: "I won't affiliate with Terror and shave my eyebrows"
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-10 01:49:35
December 10 2015 01:47 GMT
#69
On December 09 2015 23:24 Highgamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2015 10:44 DCStarcraftGall wrote:

"I’ve met so many fans over the 9 years and I remember each and every one of you.



I would doubt any other progamer saying that, but in Flash's case... might be true.


Obviously. After all, he is God, not some progamer-human.
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
December 10 2015 02:15 GMT
#70
On December 10 2015 10:43 RCCar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 10:40 Cele wrote:
hmh i honestly think that the very negative reactions that we saw by SC2 coaches and affiliates/Spokesman of the KeSpa actually stems from the fact, that they are losing a lot of viewerbase to korean Streamers and Events like SSL and VSL in Korea. So discrediting it, could be an expression of that.

Than on the other hand it's obvious, that the very outgoing afreeca scene is kind of a "shock" to the established Pro's and Teams since it's so contradictionary to the way pro gamers normally act (very humble, upright, etc )


"however, I won’t do what the fans worry about. I promise that,"
As in: "I won't affiliate with Terror and shave my eyebrows"


yeah i read it that way too.
Broodwar for life!
Antonidas
Profile Joined August 2014
United States105 Posts
December 10 2015 02:54 GMT
#71
Hopefully, the rapture will happen and God will return.
as long as there is Starcraft, life is good *insert propaganda here*
Spirit_76
Profile Joined October 2015
8 Posts
December 10 2015 05:45 GMT
#72
he is still very young, i dont get it!! why flash???

Fliparoni
Profile Joined February 2012
205 Posts
December 10 2015 09:11 GMT
#73
On December 10 2015 10:33 RCCar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 00:27 nanaoei wrote:
On December 09 2015 23:55 Para199x wrote:
On December 08 2015 10:44 DCStarcraftGall wrote:

One of the many questions the fans asked was about Flash’s SCBW return. Many players who had achieved stardom have lost fans due to their questionable behavior on live streams and there was concern about Flash going down that road as well.


What is this in reference to?



maybe it's something lost in translation.
i don't really follow bw-streaming aside from favourites but some of the outliers are
terror (no stardom)
jaehoon (not much stardom) for stream cheating, or something along those lines, though it wasn't a huge deal and it happened outside of an actual stream session.

the only person i can think of who could even fit the bill is bisu.
skt1 coach iloveoov made some comments about how it was unbecoming of a sc player like bisu to stream for donations. (not verbatim here, but you get the gist). although i love watching his play even on stream, it does seem a bit like a money grab. again, i don't even know if this fits the bill.

very incredibly likely i'm missing some key info, but this is why i say it might be lost in translation.



Some BW oldbies have been streaming strictly for money, screaming at cam/shaving eyebrows for money, treating viewers differently based on how much they donate, etc. Former STX Soul Terror is one of the biggest examples.
https://youtu.be/Pt6Wy6WorFI
TL Wiki says he was banned from Afreeca because he competed with middle schoolers eating ramen and the ramen was too spicy. Not true. When the middle school kids lost, he sprayed Soy sauce all over them with a big tub and that got on the 9 o'clock news.


SCBW Afreeca streamers is a tentative subject since many former SC players currently stream BW.
(Sea, Bisu, Best, The Rock, JulyZerg etc), so it is natural that coaches and players are hesitant about this.
I know for a fact that recently Bisu kissed a girl on cam when a viewer donated a big sum of money.
Best lost a match vs Terror (Best gave vision and took out 1 probe after start) and shaved his eyebrows on cam.
These were the 2 most recent ones that were a big issue in DCinside Starcraft Gallery.


That vid you linked. Wtf did I just watch? Lol
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
December 10 2015 09:37 GMT
#74
On December 10 2015 18:11 Fliparoni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 10:33 RCCar wrote:
On December 10 2015 00:27 nanaoei wrote:
On December 09 2015 23:55 Para199x wrote:
On December 08 2015 10:44 DCStarcraftGall wrote:

One of the many questions the fans asked was about Flash’s SCBW return. Many players who had achieved stardom have lost fans due to their questionable behavior on live streams and there was concern about Flash going down that road as well.


What is this in reference to?



maybe it's something lost in translation.
i don't really follow bw-streaming aside from favourites but some of the outliers are
terror (no stardom)
jaehoon (not much stardom) for stream cheating, or something along those lines, though it wasn't a huge deal and it happened outside of an actual stream session.

the only person i can think of who could even fit the bill is bisu.
skt1 coach iloveoov made some comments about how it was unbecoming of a sc player like bisu to stream for donations. (not verbatim here, but you get the gist). although i love watching his play even on stream, it does seem a bit like a money grab. again, i don't even know if this fits the bill.

very incredibly likely i'm missing some key info, but this is why i say it might be lost in translation.



Some BW oldbies have been streaming strictly for money, screaming at cam/shaving eyebrows for money, treating viewers differently based on how much they donate, etc. Former STX Soul Terror is one of the biggest examples.
https://youtu.be/Pt6Wy6WorFI
TL Wiki says he was banned from Afreeca because he competed with middle schoolers eating ramen and the ramen was too spicy. Not true. When the middle school kids lost, he sprayed Soy sauce all over them with a big tub and that got on the 9 o'clock news.


SCBW Afreeca streamers is a tentative subject since many former SC players currently stream BW.
(Sea, Bisu, Best, The Rock, JulyZerg etc), so it is natural that coaches and players are hesitant about this.
I know for a fact that recently Bisu kissed a girl on cam when a viewer donated a big sum of money.
Best lost a match vs Terror (Best gave vision and took out 1 probe after start) and shaved his eyebrows on cam.
These were the 2 most recent ones that were a big issue in DCinside Starcraft Gallery.


That vid you linked. Wtf did I just watch? Lol



believe me, he's done worse lol.
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 10 2015 09:40 GMT
#75
I'll seriously flip if FlaSh shaves his eyebrows and jumps out of the window on stream. Aka not gonna happen.

Of all the examples, someone had to mention the most extreme case? Terror is an anomaly. He belongs to an elite club consisting of himself and himself only. He is in a class of his own, dozens of levels higher than your average streamer on the entirety of Afreeca.
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CptMarvel
Profile Joined May 2014
France236 Posts
December 10 2015 11:21 GMT
#76
Flash's retirement is really something. It makes me feel just as bad as the football players of my childhood (Gerrard and Del Piero, to quote personal favorites) putting an end to their careers. He moves on with his life, sure, but he also takes some of ours with him.
Albeit that's not even remotely comparable to what I'll feel when Roger Federer says goodbye to tennis.
ZombieFrog
Profile Joined August 2014
United States87 Posts
December 10 2015 11:33 GMT
#77
I'm really curious what he will do in the next 3 years before milkitary. He said he's considering differnt things in esports, but the only one I know he's said was coaching
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
December 10 2015 13:31 GMT
#78
On December 10 2015 18:37 nanaoei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2015 18:11 Fliparoni wrote:
On December 10 2015 10:33 RCCar wrote:
On December 10 2015 00:27 nanaoei wrote:
On December 09 2015 23:55 Para199x wrote:
On December 08 2015 10:44 DCStarcraftGall wrote:

One of the many questions the fans asked was about Flash’s SCBW return. Many players who had achieved stardom have lost fans due to their questionable behavior on live streams and there was concern about Flash going down that road as well.


What is this in reference to?



maybe it's something lost in translation.
i don't really follow bw-streaming aside from favourites but some of the outliers are
terror (no stardom)
jaehoon (not much stardom) for stream cheating, or something along those lines, though it wasn't a huge deal and it happened outside of an actual stream session.

the only person i can think of who could even fit the bill is bisu.
skt1 coach iloveoov made some comments about how it was unbecoming of a sc player like bisu to stream for donations. (not verbatim here, but you get the gist). although i love watching his play even on stream, it does seem a bit like a money grab. again, i don't even know if this fits the bill.

very incredibly likely i'm missing some key info, but this is why i say it might be lost in translation.



Some BW oldbies have been streaming strictly for money, screaming at cam/shaving eyebrows for money, treating viewers differently based on how much they donate, etc. Former STX Soul Terror is one of the biggest examples.
https://youtu.be/Pt6Wy6WorFI
TL Wiki says he was banned from Afreeca because he competed with middle schoolers eating ramen and the ramen was too spicy. Not true. When the middle school kids lost, he sprayed Soy sauce all over them with a big tub and that got on the 9 o'clock news.


SCBW Afreeca streamers is a tentative subject since many former SC players currently stream BW.
(Sea, Bisu, Best, The Rock, JulyZerg etc), so it is natural that coaches and players are hesitant about this.
I know for a fact that recently Bisu kissed a girl on cam when a viewer donated a big sum of money.
Best lost a match vs Terror (Best gave vision and took out 1 probe after start) and shaved his eyebrows on cam.
These were the 2 most recent ones that were a big issue in DCinside Starcraft Gallery.


That vid you linked. Wtf did I just watch? Lol



believe me, he's done worse lol.


hes also cleaned up a lot since his kid was born.
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jinyung2
Profile Joined November 2014
Luxembourg1455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-11 00:12:19
December 11 2015 00:11 GMT
#79
ya terror hardly does anything crazy these days, at least compared to old terror haha

he still makes a ton of money though, according to this table regarding top afreeca BJ earnings in the month of november 2015 terror is up there at #8, 493,296 "balloons" which converts to 38,161,379 KRW (his cut is 80% because he is a partnered BJ) which is roughly $32370.77 USD.
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Orr
Profile Joined February 2014
United States168 Posts
December 11 2015 02:23 GMT
#80
Awesome interview and translation. God had absolute class and humility from the beginning till the end.

Mahalo for everything you've done for the great game of Starcraft the past 9 years, Lee Young-ho.
No one will ever forget your name.
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