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On November 04 2015 04:08 RCCar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:On November 04 2015 03:31 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:28 Sakat wrote:On November 04 2015 02:56 Nebuchad wrote:
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So if he prepared all day everyday for the last month and the games looked like that, you would feel great right now.
You're mad because "foreign starcraft is embarrassed". You've got to ask yourself what exactly it was that was embarrassing. You've got to question the serious face that you make when you pretend that the games looking bad had absolutely no influence on the situation looking bad, because it makes you look either deluded or dishonest. And that goes for plenty of you. Look, I don't think that the games were the problem. Zest and Maru looked terrible and were roflstomped 3-0 but no one is talking shit about them. That's because they took the tournament seriously, and practiced. Lilbow didn't even try. And then he bragged about it. That's the problem Zest and Maru's games didn't look remotely as bad as Lilbow's. Inno did what he does best, and Zest wasn't up to par. There was nothing disrespectful in the way Inno played, and nobody thought "my diamond friend would handle that". Rogue actually showed even more respect, going for gambles rather than playing straight up against Maru... Or maybe you want to say he went for roaches because he thought Maru was so bad he didn't deserve more of his time? Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking. He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here. Time to look in the mirror Sorry, was that too black and white for you? Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. Maybe Life actually wanted lilbow to block it and actually try to get a game off of him?
So basically, Korean player Life is nice enough to gift Lilbow games in the biggest tournament of the year. And this is totally fine. It doesn't sacrifice the "competitive integrity" of the tournament.
But foreign players don't understand what "programmer" means. They are all disgraces like Lilbow.
You seem incredibly biased towards Koreans.
I don't know how you're allowed to have 2 accounts on here (DCstarcraftgal). Are we supposed to believe those are the thoughts of the Korean community and not your own? From now on, I take everything you say with a huge pinch of salt.
@ddayzy just repeating stuff at this point. Agree to disagree.
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On November 04 2015 04:26 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:25 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
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Time to look in the mirror Sorry, was that too black and white for you? Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship Who said you can't cheese? Why did you quote me?
you said cheesing in a big tournament is disrespectful
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On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
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He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here. Time to look in the mirror Sorry, was that too black and white for you? Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful?
How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend.
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On November 04 2015 04:29 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:26 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:25 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
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Sorry, was that too black and white for you? Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship Who said you can't cheese? Why did you quote me? you said cheesing in a big tournament is disrespectful
6 pooling is. And I love it. I never said pros shouldn't do it. But I can't recall the last 6 pool I saw in a major tournament. 7 pools, sure, here and there. 10 pools, hell yeah. But a 6 pool? That was sending a message.
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On November 04 2015 04:29 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
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Time to look in the mirror Sorry, was that too black and white for you? Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful? How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend.
troll detected
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On November 04 2015 04:29 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
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Time to look in the mirror Sorry, was that too black and white for you? Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful? How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend.
No please, do explain, how is a build order disrespectful?
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On November 04 2015 04:28 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:08 RCCar wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:On November 04 2015 03:31 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:28 Sakat wrote:
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Look, I don't think that the games were the problem. Zest and Maru looked terrible and were roflstomped 3-0 but no one is talking shit about them. That's because they took the tournament seriously, and practiced. Lilbow didn't even try. And then he bragged about it. That's the problem Zest and Maru's games didn't look remotely as bad as Lilbow's. Inno did what he does best, and Zest wasn't up to par. There was nothing disrespectful in the way Inno played, and nobody thought "my diamond friend would handle that". Rogue actually showed even more respect, going for gambles rather than playing straight up against Maru... Or maybe you want to say he went for roaches because he thought Maru was so bad he didn't deserve more of his time? Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking. He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here. Time to look in the mirror Sorry, was that too black and white for you? Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. Maybe Life actually wanted lilbow to block it and actually try to get a game off of him? So basically, Korean player Life is nice enough to gift Lilbow games in the biggest tournament of the year. And this is totally fine. It doesn't sacrifice the "competitive integrity" of the tournament. But foreign players don't understand what "programmer" means. They are all disgraces like Lilbow. You seem incredibly biased towards Koreans. I don't know how you're allowed to have 2 accounts on here (DCstarcraftgal). Are we supposed to believe those are the thoughts of the Korean community and not your own? From now on, I take everything you say with a huge pinch of salt. @ddayzy just repeating stuff at this point. Agree to disagree.
Life was 2-0 up and went YOLO.
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On November 04 2015 04:31 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:29 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
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Sorry, was that too black and white for you? Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful? How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend. No please, do explain, how is a build order disrespectful?
A pro in the biggest tournament of the year doing a 6 pool is the equivalent of that pro saying GTFO. Why is this even debatable? (Edit: maybe we have a disagreement on terminology. By disrespectful, I don't mean that it was a douche move, I mean it was a competitor's way of saying, "You don't belong here")
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Lilbow failed progressively easier skill checks, really all there is to it. Once Life saw he couldn't defend shit why would Life reveal anything but the most basic of build orders so that his opponents have more to study? It was a well-executed series by Life both in-game and out of game.
As for this whole fantasy of cheesing not being "legit" or "just protoss/zerg/terran" things (really just whatever race the poster seems to hate most) it's actual bullshit. They are there to win (or should be there to win in the case of Lilbow), if you think anything else you're actually functionally retarded.
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On November 04 2015 04:31 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:29 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:26 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:25 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
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Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship Who said you can't cheese? Why did you quote me? you said cheesing in a big tournament is disrespectful 6 pooling is. And I love it. I never said pros shouldn't do it. But I can't recall the last 6 pool I saw in a major tournament. 7 pools, sure, here and there. 10 pools, hell yeah. But a 6 pool? That was sending a message.
I have NEVER seen a player proxying 3 of his barracks in a corner of the map and researchin stim there. yet polt did it. ultimate disrespect. And he even lost what makes it more shameful. He wanted to send a message that rain can lose to such ridicolous stuff but he failed. Disrespectful prick.
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On November 04 2015 04:34 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:31 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
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Hypocritical I'd call this one Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful? How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend. No please, do explain, how is a build order disrespectful? A pro in the biggest tournament of the year doing a 6 pool is the equivalent of that pro saying GTFO. Why is this even debatable?
Why? Apparently it was the right choice in that game because he won with it. Please, again, do explain why it is disrespectful.
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On November 04 2015 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:31 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:26 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:25 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
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Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship Who said you can't cheese? Why did you quote me? you said cheesing in a big tournament is disrespectful 6 pooling is. And I love it. I never said pros shouldn't do it. But I can't recall the last 6 pool I saw in a major tournament. 7 pools, sure, here and there. 10 pools, hell yeah. But a 6 pool? That was sending a message. I have NEVER seen a player proxying 3 of his barracks in a corner of the map and researchin stim there. yet polt did it. ultimate disrespect. And he even lost what makes it more shameful. He wanted to send a message that rain can lose to such ridicolous stuff but he failed. Disrespectful prick.
So you think Life's choice to 6 pool carried no message with it? There is a difference between cheesing, and focking 6 pooling. I am all about cheese in tournaments. You keep implying I don't think it is OK. I haven't said that at all. All I am pointing out is that the choice to 6 pool carried a message. You disagree and feel it was a robotic logical choice with absolutely no connotations and sending no message about what he thinks of his opponent. I can't get behind that interpretation.
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On November 04 2015 04:36 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:34 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:31 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
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Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow. The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful? How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend. No please, do explain, how is a build order disrespectful? A pro in the biggest tournament of the year doing a 6 pool is the equivalent of that pro saying GTFO. Why is this even debatable? Why? Apparently it was the right choice in that game because he won with it. Please, again, do explain why it is disrespectful.
Right. And when Life throws down a manner hatch, it is just the right thing to do in that situation.
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On November 04 2015 04:42 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:31 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:26 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:25 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
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The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship Who said you can't cheese? Why did you quote me? you said cheesing in a big tournament is disrespectful 6 pooling is. And I love it. I never said pros shouldn't do it. But I can't recall the last 6 pool I saw in a major tournament. 7 pools, sure, here and there. 10 pools, hell yeah. But a 6 pool? That was sending a message. I have NEVER seen a player proxying 3 of his barracks in a corner of the map and researchin stim there. yet polt did it. ultimate disrespect. And he even lost what makes it more shameful. He wanted to send a message that rain can lose to such ridicolous stuff but he failed. Disrespectful prick. So you think Life's choice to 6 pool carried no message with it? There is a difference between cheesing, and focking 6 pooling. I am all about cheese in tournaments. You keep implying I don't think it is OK. I haven't said that at all. All I am pointing out is that the choice to 6 pool carried a message. You disagree and feel it was a robotic logical choice with absolutely no connotations and sending no message about what he thinks of his opponent. I can't get behind that interpretation.
It doesn't matter if he wanted to send a message or not. He chose a build order and won with it. Players play to win (well, unless they are lilbow) and if he won with his build it was the right choice.
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On November 04 2015 04:44 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:34 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:31 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
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The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful? How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend. No please, do explain, how is a build order disrespectful? A pro in the biggest tournament of the year doing a 6 pool is the equivalent of that pro saying GTFO. Why is this even debatable? Why? Apparently it was the right choice in that game because he won with it. Please, again, do explain why it is disrespectful. Right. And when Life throws down a manner hatch, it is just the right thing to do in that situation.
what has one thing with the other to do? a 6 pool is a strategy you execute with the goal of winning, manner hatches are "get out of my game" BM.
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On November 04 2015 04:45 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:42 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:31 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:26 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:25 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
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He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship Who said you can't cheese? Why did you quote me? you said cheesing in a big tournament is disrespectful 6 pooling is. And I love it. I never said pros shouldn't do it. But I can't recall the last 6 pool I saw in a major tournament. 7 pools, sure, here and there. 10 pools, hell yeah. But a 6 pool? That was sending a message. I have NEVER seen a player proxying 3 of his barracks in a corner of the map and researchin stim there. yet polt did it. ultimate disrespect. And he even lost what makes it more shameful. He wanted to send a message that rain can lose to such ridicolous stuff but he failed. Disrespectful prick. So you think Life's choice to 6 pool carried no message with it? There is a difference between cheesing, and focking 6 pooling. I am all about cheese in tournaments. You keep implying I don't think it is OK. I haven't said that at all. All I am pointing out is that the choice to 6 pool carried a message. You disagree and feel it was a robotic logical choice with absolutely no connotations and sending no message about what he thinks of his opponent. I can't get behind that interpretation. It doesn't matter if he wanted to send a message or not. He chose a build order and won with it. Players play to win (well, unless they are lilbow) and if he won with his build it was the right choice.
I agree, great choice. Why are we arguing? We seem to agree on the beauty of his choice. I just see a message there, you seem not to.
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On November 04 2015 04:44 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:34 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:31 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
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The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith. He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful? How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend. No please, do explain, how is a build order disrespectful? A pro in the biggest tournament of the year doing a 6 pool is the equivalent of that pro saying GTFO. Why is this even debatable? Why? Apparently it was the right choice in that game because he won with it. Please, again, do explain why it is disrespectful. Right. And when Life throws down a manner hatch, it is just the right thing to do in that situation.
You still have no answeared, should we just conclude with you not having one and call it a day or do you actually want to produce a reason?
Six pooling is a strategy, used by many pros in tournaments, sometimes because they think the oposition is stronger. In a tournament you want to reveale as little of your strategy as possible. When you correctly asses your oponent can't hold a six pool it is disrespectful to do one becuase? Toying with him and draging the match out just for the hell of it would be disrespectful. Correctly assesing your oponents skill and playign accordingly is not. Or are you saying it is disrespectful to correctly asses Lilbow skill level?
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On November 04 2015 04:48 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:45 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:42 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:31 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:26 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:25 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:
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Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game.
Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals?
Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row.
A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol.
If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship Who said you can't cheese? Why did you quote me? you said cheesing in a big tournament is disrespectful 6 pooling is. And I love it. I never said pros shouldn't do it. But I can't recall the last 6 pool I saw in a major tournament. 7 pools, sure, here and there. 10 pools, hell yeah. But a 6 pool? That was sending a message. I have NEVER seen a player proxying 3 of his barracks in a corner of the map and researchin stim there. yet polt did it. ultimate disrespect. And he even lost what makes it more shameful. He wanted to send a message that rain can lose to such ridicolous stuff but he failed. Disrespectful prick. So you think Life's choice to 6 pool carried no message with it? There is a difference between cheesing, and focking 6 pooling. I am all about cheese in tournaments. You keep implying I don't think it is OK. I haven't said that at all. All I am pointing out is that the choice to 6 pool carried a message. You disagree and feel it was a robotic logical choice with absolutely no connotations and sending no message about what he thinks of his opponent. I can't get behind that interpretation. It doesn't matter if he wanted to send a message or not. He chose a build order and won with it. Players play to win (well, unless they are lilbow) and if he won with his build it was the right choice. I agree, great choice. Why are we arguing? We seem to agree on the beauty of his choice. I just see a message there, you seem not to.
Congratulation on answearing your own question.
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Life saw after the first game that his opponent is too dumb to scout. After the second game he saw that he's also too weak to defend basic allins, even if scouted. So in the third game he just wiped the floor with him. It feels like he did the right thing.
I must say that I've been playing and watching SC for over 15 years and I don't remember a series that was so fucking painful to watch. This french kid got so manhandled I can't even uderstand how he was allowed to play in such a big tournament. I saw diamond players defending better than he did.
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On November 04 2015 04:47 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2015 04:44 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:36 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:34 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:31 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:29 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:27 ddayzy wrote:On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
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He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice? Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game. Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals? Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row. A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol. If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks. Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful? How can sound waves be disrespectful? I might make Mom jokes, but there is no disrespect, they're just sound waves friend. No please, do explain, how is a build order disrespectful? A pro in the biggest tournament of the year doing a 6 pool is the equivalent of that pro saying GTFO. Why is this even debatable? Why? Apparently it was the right choice in that game because he won with it. Please, again, do explain why it is disrespectful. Right. And when Life throws down a manner hatch, it is just the right thing to do in that situation. what has one thing with the other to do? a 6 pool is a strategy you execute with the goal of winning, manner hatches are "get out of my game" BM.
Maybe he chose a 6 pool over the much much more common and successful 7 pool, planning on having 5 extra seconds to get in. I obviously can't state for a fact that that wasn't his thinking. I highly doubt it. Especially after the first two games.
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