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ddayzy
Profile Joined September 2014
259 Posts
November 03 2015 19:11 GMT
#521
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
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On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:31 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:28 Sakat wrote:
[quote]
Look, I don't think that the games were the problem. Zest and Maru looked terrible and were roflstomped 3-0 but no one is talking shit about them. That's because they took the tournament seriously, and practiced. Lilbow didn't even try. And then he bragged about it. That's the problem


Zest and Maru's games didn't look remotely as bad as Lilbow's. Inno did what he does best, and Zest wasn't up to par. There was nothing disrespectful in the way Inno played, and nobody thought "my diamond friend would handle that". Rogue actually showed even more respect, going for gambles rather than playing straight up against Maru... Or maybe you want to say he went for roaches because he thought Maru was so bad he didn't deserve more of his time?


Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking.


He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

They played as well as they needed to. Innovation needed to play that well to win, Life needed only to six pool to win. What on earth has that to do with respect?
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
November 03 2015 19:12 GMT
#522
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:31 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:28 Sakat wrote:
[quote]
Look, I don't think that the games were the problem. Zest and Maru looked terrible and were roflstomped 3-0 but no one is talking shit about them. That's because they took the tournament seriously, and practiced. Lilbow didn't even try. And then he bragged about it. That's the problem


Zest and Maru's games didn't look remotely as bad as Lilbow's. Inno did what he does best, and Zest wasn't up to par. There was nothing disrespectful in the way Inno played, and nobody thought "my diamond friend would handle that". Rogue actually showed even more respect, going for gambles rather than playing straight up against Maru... Or maybe you want to say he went for roaches because he thought Maru was so bad he didn't deserve more of his time?


Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking.


He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

He studied Lilbow, noticed his weakness and exploited it, as stated by Life himself. I don't understand why a certain build order choice (that is still relevant to the discovered weakness) after being 2-0 up is showing disrespect.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15953 Posts
November 03 2015 19:13 GMT
#523
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:31 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:28 Sakat wrote:
[quote]
Look, I don't think that the games were the problem. Zest and Maru looked terrible and were roflstomped 3-0 but no one is talking shit about them. That's because they took the tournament seriously, and practiced. Lilbow didn't even try. And then he bragged about it. That's the problem


Zest and Maru's games didn't look remotely as bad as Lilbow's. Inno did what he does best, and Zest wasn't up to par. There was nothing disrespectful in the way Inno played, and nobody thought "my diamond friend would handle that". Rogue actually showed even more respect, going for gambles rather than playing straight up against Maru... Or maybe you want to say he went for roaches because he thought Maru was so bad he didn't deserve more of his time?


Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking.


He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game.
Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals?
Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row.
A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
November 03 2015 19:14 GMT
#524
On November 04 2015 04:10 Wuster wrote:
You have to remember that when I showed him a quote from Lilbow refuting what he was arguing that he told me Lilbow made a typo...


I didn't "tell" you that. I argued it, based on the context of the sentence. There are two contradictory statements, one made in a preparation video for the game and one made in a facebook post. One makes sense, one doesn't. I therefore choose to believe the first one over the second one, based on, you know, things making sense. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But tell me, did you ever argue anything against the video from Lilbow "refuting" what you said? No? Guess you are dishonest then.
No will to live, no wish to die
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
November 03 2015 19:16 GMT
#525
I said it before and I'll say it again. The fact that people are STILL defending Lilbow is just the prime example of everything wrong with this community
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
November 03 2015 19:16 GMT
#526
On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:31 Nebuchad wrote:
[quote]

Zest and Maru's games didn't look remotely as bad as Lilbow's. Inno did what he does best, and Zest wasn't up to par. There was nothing disrespectful in the way Inno played, and nobody thought "my diamond friend would handle that". Rogue actually showed even more respect, going for gambles rather than playing straight up against Maru... Or maybe you want to say he went for roaches because he thought Maru was so bad he didn't deserve more of his time?


Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking.


He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game.
Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals?
Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row.
A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol.


Did Life 6-pool him because he believed it was his best chance to win? No? Guess your argumentary is random then.
No will to live, no wish to die
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
November 03 2015 19:17 GMT
#527
On November 04 2015 04:14 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:10 Wuster wrote:
You have to remember that when I showed him a quote from Lilbow refuting what he was arguing that he told me Lilbow made a typo...


I didn't "tell" you that. I argued it, based on the context of the sentence. There are two contradictory statements, one made in a preparation video for the game and one made in a facebook post. One makes sense, one doesn't. I therefore choose to believe the first one over the second one, based on, you know, things making sense. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But tell me, did you ever argue anything against the video from Lilbow "refuting" what you said? No? Guess you are dishonest then.


Generally that when you evaluate conflicting statements, you give more weight to the more recently made one.
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
November 03 2015 19:17 GMT
#528
On November 04 2015 04:10 Wuster wrote:

Notice I specifically never say Stephano practiced a lot =p. Because it's true, you can get away with deep conceptualizations if you do it right. Koreans call it image training, Cannonball Adderly is a Saxophone legend who would never practice, just look at sheet music for hours before a concert and play everything perfectly the first time.

I don't know if that's what Stephano did or if he had a smurf, but either way you could tell he put work into the game during his prime.

It seems to be an inside joke among pros to talk about Stephano not practicing and wink. Stephano liked to hype stuff up by claiming he didn't practice, and saying stuff like "No Protoss can beat me." People eat that stuff up, but I don't think he bought in to his own hype, and other pros certainly didn't. It was just bravado.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
November 03 2015 19:18 GMT
#529
You know what I'm done. I should know better than trying to make sense in this thread.
No will to live, no wish to die
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15953 Posts
November 03 2015 19:19 GMT
#530
On November 04 2015 04:16 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:
[quote]

Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking.


He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game.
Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals?
Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row.
A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol.


Did Life 6-pool him because he believed it was his best chance to win? No? Guess your argumentary is random then.

It doesn't matter why he did his build order choices, it only matters if it's succesful or not. He won so apparently he did the right build order choice.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
November 03 2015 19:19 GMT
#531
On November 04 2015 04:18 Nebuchad wrote:
You know what I'm done. I should know better than trying to make sense in this thread.


Failing dismally at making sense is closer to the truth
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1894 Posts
November 03 2015 19:19 GMT
#532
Maybe Lilbow just tried to pull off a Stephano, failed and ended up doing a Naniwa?
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-03 19:20:36
November 03 2015 19:19 GMT
#533
Ups
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
November 03 2015 19:23 GMT
#534
On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:31 Nebuchad wrote:
[quote]

Zest and Maru's games didn't look remotely as bad as Lilbow's. Inno did what he does best, and Zest wasn't up to par. There was nothing disrespectful in the way Inno played, and nobody thought "my diamond friend would handle that". Rogue actually showed even more respect, going for gambles rather than playing straight up against Maru... Or maybe you want to say he went for roaches because he thought Maru was so bad he didn't deserve more of his time?


Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking.


He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game.
Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals?
Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row.
A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol.

If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks.
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
November 03 2015 19:25 GMT
#535
I guess when sOs cannoned Jaedong in practically every game two years ago that was also disrespectful.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15953 Posts
November 03 2015 19:25 GMT
#536
On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:
[quote]

Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking.


He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game.
Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals?
Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row.
A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol.

If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks.

I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
November 03 2015 19:26 GMT
#537
On November 04 2015 04:25 Sakat wrote:
I guess when sOs cannoned Jaedong in practically every game two years ago that was also disrespectful.

That's just being Protoss
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
November 03 2015 19:26 GMT
#538
On November 04 2015 04:25 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
[quote]

He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game.
Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals?
Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row.
A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol.

If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks.

I didn't know players weren't allowed to cheese in big tournaments. Better take sOs 100k back because of bad sportmanship

Who said you can't cheese? Why did you quote me?
ddayzy
Profile Joined September 2014
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November 03 2015 19:27 GMT
#539
On November 04 2015 04:23 frazzle wrote:
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On November 04 2015 04:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:06 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 04:02 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:58 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:55 Penev wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:46 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:38 Sakat wrote:
[quote]

Life also showed respect, he studied Lilbow and noticed that his wall-ins were weak, and exploited that. He said it in the post-game interview. It wasn't about not being worth someones time. True, Life said "Lilbow who?" in the pre-game interview but he is known for smack-talking.


He said to Zealously I think that he had planned the first game but not the other two. The third game is a 6-pool, for crying out loud. The fact that you just argued that he did a 6-pool on a decently large map in 2015 because he had studied Lilbow really hard and he believed it was the best way to beat this respectable opponent of his should be enough to realize you aren't arguing in good faith here.

Time to look in the mirror


Sorry, was that too black and white for you?

Hypocritical I'd call this one


Cool. You are more than welcome to show my dishonesty then. Please explain to me how Life 6-pooled in game 3 because he wanted to show respect to Lilbow.

The dishonesty is in the calling it a fact that Sakat said those words. He clearly didn't mean that, you're putting words into his mouth and by doing that you're not arguing in good faith.


He's defending that the games Zest to Inno are comparable to the games Lilbow lost to Life. I answer that they aren't, as Inno played as well as he could and showed respect to Zest, while Life didn't. The answer to that? Life showed respect. How is it not a legitimate question to ask him what is so respectful about Life's 6-pool choice?

Accusing a certain playstyle of being disrespectful is the biggest bullshit I have ever read on this forum. You don't show respect in your games. you play to fucking win. The respect thing happens outside of the game.
Did Mvp disrespect squirtle because he cheesed him in game 7 of the gsl finals?
Did BoxeR disrepect yellow when he bunker rushed him 3 times in a row.
A win is a fucking win and there is no "respectful playstyle" or "unrespectful playstyle" lol.

If 6 pooling your opponent at BlizzCon doesn't qualify as disrespecting your opponent, then I'm not sure what would qualify in SC2. Being disrespectful in this context is of course perfectly OK. SC2 is always at its most entertaining when all the big boys are swinging their dicks right in front of everyone. I say, more swinging dicks.

Why is it disrespectful? How can a build order be disrespectful?
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
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Last Edited: 2015-11-03 19:29:11
November 03 2015 19:28 GMT
#540
On November 04 2015 04:26 frazzle wrote:
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On November 04 2015 04:25 Sakat wrote:
I guess when sOs cannoned Jaedong in practically every game two years ago that was also disrespectful.

That's just being Protoss

And that final against herO at Katowice? What a disrespectful d***. Or Lifes proxy hatches last year?

I wonder, if Lilbow just proxied gateways and won 3-0 would that be called disrespectful?
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