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BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
October 20 2015 07:40 GMT
#61
there is obvious conflict of interest, regardless of opinion

afreeca now has gsl in one hand, and matchfixers in the other

how can company continue gsl policies against matchfixer, and continue turning a blind eye to match fixer companies under same banner?
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BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 07:51:31
October 20 2015 07:42 GMT
#62
not hard to imagine kespa withdrawing kespa player from gsl, in order to help recover from damage from matchfixing

or use as threat
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Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
October 20 2015 07:43 GMT
#63
On October 20 2015 16:40 BeStFAN wrote:
there is obvious conflict of interest, regardless of opinion

afreeca now has gsl in one hand, and matchfixers in the other

how can company continue gsl policies against matchfixer, and continue turning a blind eye to match fixer companies under same banner?

Good point.
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
October 20 2015 08:10 GMT
#64
This legal stuff is getting out of hand.
No one has the right for a specific site to allow them to stream there, if the site chooses to they can ban whoever they want. Its up to the site to decide, there´s no universal human right to "not get banned from specific streamsites", that people think this is scary actually. Blizz decides who are allowed to stream sc2 on the internet anywhere, its no universal right to break copyright. (Just look at Nintendo)

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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
October 20 2015 08:14 GMT
#65
Afreeca said no. http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015102015094655820
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NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
October 20 2015 08:16 GMT
#66
On October 20 2015 11:43 Jjjinyong wrote:
been a long time coming. They can do whatever they want but they shouldn't stream starcraft. This isn't their playground. They can't matchfix and ruin a whole scene and come back trying to make money off of it. Just how gullible do they think the community is?


considering the amount of viewers this fuckers have... way too gullible...
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 20 2015 08:16 GMT
#67
Afreeca let Savior to stream, so why wouldn't they let the others..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
October 20 2015 08:17 GMT
#68
On October 20 2015 12:40 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 12:15 castleeMg wrote:
lol wow kespa is pretty hardcore about this, i thought a perm ban from pro gaming would be enough..


Na, Kespa will use all the social capital they have to make their lives miserable.

I remember Kespa tried to implore Blizzard a few years back to make certain Chinese BW organizers ban Savior since Savior was apparently competing or doing some activity in China.


Which is good. Make sure they will never touch the game again.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 08:24:23
October 20 2015 08:19 GMT
#69
On October 20 2015 16:42 BeStFAN wrote:
not hard to imagine kespa withdrawing kespa player from gsl, in order to help recover from damage from matchfixing

or use as threat


you realise this is bad for kespa players as well, losing chance at wcs points/prize money?

the only way is for blizzard to finally make a hardline ethical stance and threaten to withdraw funding from afreeca gsl unless they comply. good luck having a corporate company adopt that over a couple of (currently) inactive matchfixers from a different, defunct game.

On October 20 2015 17:14 Wolf wrote:
Afreeca said no. http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015102015094655820


as expected.

On October 20 2015 17:17 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 12:40 lestye wrote:
On October 20 2015 12:15 castleeMg wrote:
lol wow kespa is pretty hardcore about this, i thought a perm ban from pro gaming would be enough..


Na, Kespa will use all the social capital they have to make their lives miserable.

I remember Kespa tried to implore Blizzard a few years back to make certain Chinese BW organizers ban Savior since Savior was apparently competing or doing some activity in China.


Which is good. Make sure they will never touch the game again.


lolwut, no ban, china just laugh. they can invite savior whenever they please
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
October 20 2015 08:20 GMT
#70
On October 20 2015 13:12 geokilla wrote:
Here KeSPA goes again. In a way I support this request but I feel they're going too far with it. What if I'm a full time streamer like MC? I'm not a competitive progamer anymore. Just a pro streamer who streams when I'm not busy with real life. If you still want to watch me stream and you enjoy it, nothing wrong with that. I think.


but MC would never cheat.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
October 20 2015 08:20 GMT
#71
On October 20 2015 17:14 Wolf wrote:
Afreeca said no. http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015102015094655820

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all.
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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
October 20 2015 08:23 GMT
#72
I don`t get it. Though I `ve hated Afreeca since 2006, I thought that they would take some responsibility as a body of e-sports operation.

of course KeSPA`s request was not enforceable, but this is sth ethical. meh.

"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
October 20 2015 08:25 GMT
#73
On October 20 2015 13:38 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +

if a massive site like afreeca cant allow match fixers to stream, what makes you think some random smaller site would survive? rofl
and who would actually go to watch the random smaller site? afreeca basically monopolises korean streaming


if savior starts streaming in China, he will be given truckloads of attention and money i can assure you...they dont give about a fuck about kespa or whatever in general. you are the foolish one here


just no bw in china is non existent.. lol
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 20 2015 08:26 GMT
#74
On October 20 2015 17:23 Thouhastmail wrote:
I don`t get it. Though I `ve hated Afreeca since 2006, I thought that they would take some responsibility as a body of e-sports operation.


They are. They won't let the match-fixers participate in their tournaments.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 08:32:56
October 20 2015 08:26 GMT
#75
On October 20 2015 17:23 Thouhastmail wrote:
I don`t get it. Though I `ve hated Afreeca since 2006, I thought that they would take some responsibility as a body of e-sports operation.



lol no, they are a body of the TerrOr cult movement

On October 20 2015 17:25 Specialist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 13:38 Probemicro wrote:

if a massive site like afreeca cant allow match fixers to stream, what makes you think some random smaller site would survive? rofl
and who would actually go to watch the random smaller site? afreeca basically monopolises korean streaming


if savior starts streaming in China, he will be given truckloads of attention and money i can assure you...they dont give about a fuck about kespa or whatever in general. you are the foolish one here


just no bw in china is non existent.. lol


its small but its not nonexistant. just a month or so ago they had a fucking 60k USD prizepool 1V1 AND 2V2 tournament lol
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NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
October 20 2015 08:32 GMT
#76
On October 20 2015 17:14 Wolf wrote:
Afreeca said no. http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015102015094655820



and this is the company that will host GSL in the future? The way I see it the new hosts of GSL are okay with matchfixing and ruining the community.
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
October 20 2015 08:33 GMT
#77
On October 20 2015 17:19 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 16:42 BeStFAN wrote:
not hard to imagine kespa withdrawing kespa player from gsl, in order to help recover from damage from matchfixing

or use as threat


you realise this is bad for kespa players as well, losing chance at wcs points/prize money?


it would not be first time that there is embargo, even against player wishes
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 08:41:44
October 20 2015 08:41 GMT
#78
Interesting to see if this will escalate.

Will Blizzard get involved and invoke their rights over streaming?

Will KeSPA boycott GSL?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
October 20 2015 08:42 GMT
#79
On October 20 2015 17:33 BeStFAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 17:19 Probemicro wrote:
On October 20 2015 16:42 BeStFAN wrote:
not hard to imagine kespa withdrawing kespa player from gsl, in order to help recover from damage from matchfixing

or use as threat


you realise this is bad for kespa players as well, losing chance at wcs points/prize money?


it would not be first time that there is embargo, even against player wishes


the scene isn't really well-off, they don't have that kind of luxury

only blizzard can do something
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
October 20 2015 08:44 GMT
#80
So if google translate didn't have a colossal name screw up, it seems the Afreeca response is only about the guys from the 2010 BW scandal. In which case KeSPA should realise that they stopped their own involvement with BW years ago so they'll have a hard time trying to control this.
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