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eviltomahawk
United States11132 Posts
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Blind Io
United Kingdom56 Posts
On October 13 2015 19:38 Aeromi wrote: Not surprised by this ![]() Looks great if it happens! PartinG, Rain and FanTaSy are not allowed to play ProLeague IIRC. SKT1 still owns their Proleague rights but I think that's where this part comes into play: "even some Kespa teams promised to release some of their former players that cannot play proleague games due to kespa rules if things work out" | ||
Blind Io
United Kingdom56 Posts
On October 13 2015 21:17 WrathSCII wrote: I Want to see Jaedong or Lilbow vs herO or Maru to see how wrong you are. I wish KeSPA shuts down any attempt for non-KeSPA players to play in the league. If they want to have a Team league, they should ask Blizzard to create one with the help of sponsors. Something like WCTS for example. To encourage the foreign teams to actually do work and make semi-team house training environment or whatever. Didn't Snute beat herO in two BO3's at an IEM not long ago? | ||
Wolf
Korea (South)3289 Posts
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
Of course, if we're talking about non-Kespa koreans, that's a different story. There are enough top and mid-level non-Kespa Koreans in Korea that they could pretty safely be a low/mid tier team, safely above the Prime/EG-TL line. In my wildest fantasies, one or more of Polt, hydra, forGG, and Jaedong would come back to Korea to play for this squad too. | ||
andrewlt
United States7677 Posts
On October 13 2015 20:28 LongShot27 wrote: I like the people pretending some of the Korean's who left for EU/NA and a top level foreigners wouldn't be able to hold their own in PL. DRG should be the shining example of the first, and stephano 2 years ago the second. Stop pretending Kespa players are worlds apart from others. Are they better? Yes. Has the skill gap narrowed? Considerably. Err, what? The skill gap has narrowed from when? Stephano's heyday was mid to late WoL. Before that, you had people like Thorzain, Idra and Naniwa win tournaments with Koreans. That was early to mid WoL. Even early HotS had Stephano and Scarlett's last stands. The skill gap has been much higher in HotS compared to WoL. | ||
LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On October 14 2015 00:13 andrewlt wrote: Err, what? The skill gap has narrowed from when? Stephano's heyday was mid to late WoL. Before that, you had people like Thorzain, Idra and Naniwa win tournaments with Koreans. That was early to mid WoL. Even early HotS had Stephano and Scarlett's last stands. The skill gap has been much higher in HotS compared to WoL. Am I allowed to make a post that is nothing but "hahaha" over and over or is that crossing the line? | ||
DinosaurPoop
687 Posts
On October 13 2015 21:17 WrathSCII wrote: I Want to see Jaedong or Lilbow vs herO or Maru to see how wrong you are. I wish KeSPA shuts down any attempt for non-KeSPA players to play in the league. If they want to have a Team league, they should ask Blizzard to create one with the help of sponsors. Something like WCTS for example. To encourage the foreign teams to actually do work and make semi-team house training environment or whatever. The average Korean also gets destroyed by Maru/herO too, so I don't really think that's a fair comparison for Jaedong vs Lilbow. 1 top foreigner is as good as a decent korean, but for every top foreigner, there are 40 koreans as good as them, and further down there are 1000 koreans who work hard and can replace those koreans at any moment. Statistically Jaedong and Lilbow are pretty damn good, which also means statistically Maru and herO are INSANELY good. When an inferior korean loses to a better korean, people don't bat an eye. When an inferior foreigner loses to a better korean, people will take every chance to foreigner bash and talk about work ethic etc. etc. People also underestimate how hard it is to win tournaments, and conversely underappreciate how good top players actually are. Take for example Blizzcon. Even if Lilbow had a 66% chance to win each match, he would still only have a 19% chance to win Blizzcon. Look at NaNiwa's consecutive GSL ro8 in 2012. This is from a guy who said that noone really helped him in the StarTale house, that its like he just came there to play on the Korean ladder. Getting double Code S ro8 is something a korean ladder hero could only dream of, also considering a lot of of A team koreans who get all the help from other koreans couldn't make it there too. People need to look at this objectively and look at foreigners that train in the korean ladder, with korean competition, in korean teamhouses, and of course give lots of hard work. In that case the foreign players that were actually good enough and dedicated enough to move and train there are actually pretty damn good. If you compare foreigners that train on EU, vs EU semipro scene, laddering alone, of course foreigners will get blown out of the water by koreans. But indeed the EU scene has been improving tremendously well these past few years ever since the Korean imports to germany, kudos to them. | ||
Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
Between this and Prime coming back under a different name with a new sponsor, I would choose Prime 2.0. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97252 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
On October 13 2015 23:58 Wolf wrote: All-star teams were cool for GSTL since it was a short league, but for Proleague they are a disaster waiting to happen. I think I'm in agreement here. It needs to be an official team IMO. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19050 Posts
On October 14 2015 00:56 Shellshock wrote: arent they afraid of unleashing another monster in proleague? #ReturnOfIdra | ||
wjat
385 Posts
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dehydrogenaza
Poland122 Posts
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
Foreigners in Korea are hype as fuck. | ||
Mattidute
Netherlands232 Posts
On October 13 2015 21:58 LongShot27 wrote: EG-TL did amazing for a new team in the first 2 rounds, they imploded toward the end for a reason no one can really put a finger on EG-TL did awful for the team that they had which consisted mostly of players with years of SC2 knowledge aswell as champions and they didn't get 50% win rate in a single round (3-4 with a +1 map score was their best, it was also the only time they had a positive map score at the end of a round). | ||
REyeM
2674 Posts
Ofc if some team decides to sign a foreigner, it would be okay | ||
LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On October 14 2015 01:45 Mattidute wrote: EG-TL did awful for the team that they had which consisted mostly of players with years of SC2 knowledge aswell as champions and they didn't get 50% win rate in a single round (3-4 with a +1 map score was their best, it was also the only time they had a positive map score at the end of a round). This comment is a train wreck, think before you post | ||
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