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corydoras
Profile Joined November 2013
161 Posts
October 05 2015 19:01 GMT
#41
Whoa, this thread definitely exceeded the expectations I had when I started it. And I'm glad I did, especially thanks to those who pointed out that the way of asking questions may actually matter more than I originally thought.
Adun toridas!
Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 13:21:18
October 29 2015 13:13 GMT
#42
I think that if you want to engage in conversation after a game it's possible if you already have said more that gl hf and gg in the game. In my experience if the game has some friendly banter it's easy to continue the conversation. If you had said those things before the end of the game it might have been less offensive to him. But you need to have the time before the other player leaves.

Edit: wow didn't realize this necro... hmmm.
LA_Morello
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil143 Posts
October 29 2015 13:45 GMT
#43
On October 05 2015 19:23 ShurykaN wrote:
Clearly you don't understand how bad manner this actually is.

You just beat the shit out of this guy and then message him asking something about the game. The only thing that can be inferred from this is that you get off on sucking yourself off to how well you played last game and enjoy rubbing it in his face.

Just because you can chat with someone because the game allows you to doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.


Pretty much this. Its an assholish move to talk to your opponent after you win a match. An exception to this would be if you two were talking friendly during the game, but that doesn't happen most of the time.

I'd take your message saying it was lucky as ironic 100% of the times and mute you right after.
Deleted User 197942
Profile Joined July 2011
Romania151 Posts
October 29 2015 13:57 GMT
#44
On October 29 2015 22:45 LA_Morello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2015 19:23 ShurykaN wrote:
Clearly you don't understand how bad manner this actually is.

You just beat the shit out of this guy and then message him asking something about the game. The only thing that can be inferred from this is that you get off on sucking yourself off to how well you played last game and enjoy rubbing it in his face.

Just because you can chat with someone because the game allows you to doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.


Pretty much this. Its an assholish move to talk to your opponent after you win a match. An exception to this would be if you two were talking friendly during the game, but that doesn't happen most of the time.

I'd take your message saying it was lucky as ironic 100% of the times and mute you right after.


How is it an "assholish move" to talk to the opponent after winning the game? Depending on how you do it, I'd say it's perfectly acceptable. People should just get less frustrated over the game, and if the opponent can offer you advice, why not take it?

The possibilities are endless, as long as you don't initiate the conversation with your opponent by belittling him and saying that he's terrible, and such.
LA_Morello
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil143 Posts
October 29 2015 17:05 GMT
#45
On October 29 2015 22:57 ThePrussianPrince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 22:45 LA_Morello wrote:
On October 05 2015 19:23 ShurykaN wrote:
Clearly you don't understand how bad manner this actually is.

You just beat the shit out of this guy and then message him asking something about the game. The only thing that can be inferred from this is that you get off on sucking yourself off to how well you played last game and enjoy rubbing it in his face.

Just because you can chat with someone because the game allows you to doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.


Pretty much this. Its an assholish move to talk to your opponent after you win a match. An exception to this would be if you two were talking friendly during the game, but that doesn't happen most of the time.

I'd take your message saying it was lucky as ironic 100% of the times and mute you right after.


How is it an "assholish move" to talk to the opponent after winning the game? Depending on how you do it, I'd say it's perfectly acceptable. People should just get less frustrated over the game, and if the opponent can offer you advice, why not take it?

The possibilities are endless, as long as you don't initiate the conversation with your opponent by belittling him and saying that he's terrible, and such.


You can't decide for people how frustrated they should feel after a match.
Also, despite you having helpful advice or not to give, most people don't want to hear people of similar skill telling them how to play. Its even more annoying if you just lost against them.

I stopped playing long ago, but before I did, I'd regularly mute people before quitting the match if I felt BM was coming after the match.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
October 29 2015 18:00 GMT
#46
On October 05 2015 19:58 rotta wrote:
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On October 05 2015 19:41 corydoras wrote:
On October 05 2015 19:37 ShurykaN wrote:
If you want to talk to people after the game find friends to practice with, not random people on ladder.


Wait, so no chatting on ladder allowed at all? Since when is this BM?

Speaks well of the levels of toxicity within the playerbase. I'd like to talk about interesting games regardless of who won but I've had enough death threats and such to block all communication.


Its funny because when people claim this, they usually get pretty pissed off after a loss and those "interesting games" tend to be wins.

inb4 "no not me ofc not I truly enjoy all aspects of winning and losing equally".
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 18:10:16
October 29 2015 18:02 GMT
#47
On October 05 2015 20:02 Shuffleblade wrote:
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On October 05 2015 19:31 AsAr wrote:
after a chess game you won, when you can talk face to face, how would you initiate the conversation? i would go with "excuse me" or "hey, good game" or smth like that, not burst out with the question. that's not only more polite, it also increases the chance to get an honest answer

Personally I wouild find this much more BM than what the thread-starter wrote.

I usually get pretty heated after a loss, depending on the game and the reason I lost. But I mostly chat positively if someone writes to me and isn't obviously BM.
If I really got upset from the game and the person that defeated me wants to do small-talk he can do it elsewhere, however if he wants to talk about strategy get/give advice in earnest and is nice about it I'm all for that. I prefer that to be clear from the start though, just fire away your question.

If someone would message me in game "wow I got lucky that game, seems like a strong build, how often do you win zvp with that strat?" I would have no problem talking with that person about it. Would probably enjoy it too.

I don't buy this whole "chatting is taboo" thing, SC2 is trying to become more soicable, sadly we are stuck in the past and people are used to play isolated. This is lotv not wol or hots, get with the times or get "blocking" just like TS wrote. You don't need to telegraph that you want to chat with strangers, just block and just chat with friends.



smal-talk in the various chatrooms that exists, but if you want to talk to your opponent after a won game, you should start with "hey may I ask you a question?" This gives the other guy an option to decline.

Just like in real life you wouldnt just ask someone a question without approaching them and ask if they have they are willing to help you out.

Edit: Honestly what question will you not be able to find the answer on your own to by watching the replay?
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 18:04:37
October 29 2015 18:03 GMT
#48
I block everyone I encounter in ladder when the game starts, usually. Why waste time talking to idiots?
aka Kalevi
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 29 2015 18:07 GMT
#49
If you claim it's automatically BM to talk to someone after you beat them in a competition then you are a sensitive and sore loser. Period.
pajoondies
Profile Joined February 2014
United States316 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 18:22:20
October 29 2015 18:19 GMT
#50
On October 30 2015 03:07 Doodsmack wrote:
If you claim it's automatically BM to talk to someone after you beat them in a competition then you are a sensitive and sore loser. Period.


Completely agree, seems like some people need to grow a thicker skin and get a better understanding of what real sportsmanship is.
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